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>I contemplate the moment in the garden, the idea of allowing your own crucifixion
Now I understand the Biblical reference, but what does Rust mean by that, why does he say it?
Fuck off, no way I'm taking this to /tv/, /lit/'s a much better place to discuss True Detective (or any show, for that matter)

>> No.5631984

>>5631964
I'd assume it means he interprets Jesus' sacrifice to fit in with his own view of the world:
>I think the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming; stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction.
Jesus had no children, and ended his own life.

>> No.5631992

>>5631964
>Now I understand the Biblical reference, but what does Rust mean by that, why does he say it?
Thinking that Rust is a well-construed character whose thoughts make philosophical sense is the same kind of category error as asking why they didn't just fly the eagles to mordor and drop the ring in the fire. You are (possibly consciously) indulging the fantasy that the fictional world is a coherent, fleshed-out universe, and not just a papier-mâché front made to look pretty. You look at it and ask 'what's behind it?', when the simple answer is: 'nothing':

>> No.5631998

>>5631992
This.

>> No.5632025

>>5631992
Watch those edges.

>> No.5632027

>>5632025

edge: an opinion more thought-out than mine

>> No.5632030

>>5631992
>Thinking that Rust is a well-construed character whose thoughts make philosophical sense
These two don't necessarily go together, yo. I think he's a good character (though much of it may be in the acting) and a bad philosopher.

>> No.5632031

>>5632027
He isn't really saying anything of value in that post. He just states an opinion and has nothing to support it with.

>> No.5632032

>>5631992
Rust's (and by extension, Pizzalotti's) misunderstanding of philosophical pessimism is a part of his character, retard. Rust is a 21st century Sisyphus who "overcomes" his nihilism and in the end embraces life even though it's mostly shit (we must imagine Sisyphus happy -> the light's winning).

>> No.5632043

>>5632032
>Rust's (and by extension, Pizzalotti's) misunderstanding of philosophical pessimism is a part of his character, retard
>it's meant to be shit

>> No.5632046

>>5632043
It is, though. It doesn't indicate that he's especially educated or anything- he's just a bit better read than the random police shlubs and backwoods religious folk around him.

>> No.5632050

>>5632046
But he's a cartoon character. he's exaggerated to the point that it's comical and absurd.
It's just shitty characterization.
His great Sisyphus ending feels cheap and tacked on too.
"The light is winning" Gimme a break man.

>> No.5632053

He believes that human consciousness was a mistake in that it created a part of nature that was separate from nature.

Similarly, God created a part of himself that was separate from Him (seemingly) for the sole purpose of suffering/sacrifice. See also Jesus' "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" (Psalm 22:1))


There may be more to it but I'm actually only on episode 2 haha

>> No.5632055

>>5632050
I disagree.

>> No.5632056

>>5632050
You do have a point. I enjoyed it, but I think the acting was a large part of that (plus dat long real-time raid scene), and the ending didn't quite land right.

>> No.5632057

>>5632032
>Rust's (and by extension, Pizzalotti's) misunderstanding of philosophical pessimism is a part of his character, retard.
Thinking that Rust's philosophy is intentionally flawed is the same mistake I outlined, though.

>> No.5632060

>>5632056
>plus dat long real-time raid scene
that was complete shit and added nothing to the series. It felt like it was included to satisfy industry norms and viewer expectations about police drama.

>> No.5632061

>>5632055
Well you're wrong.

>> No.5632063

>>5632053
Interesting point/10

Not sure how far the analogy would go though- what redemptive role would humanity's suffering have?

>> No.5632064

>>5632061
In what ways.

>> No.5632066

>>5632063
WHAT A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION

>> No.5632067

This show was really good until the ending when at the last minute it pulled back from its tragic luxurious. It's like Americans just have to have happy endings, no matter what.

>> No.5632068

>>5632064
In thinking Rusty is a believable character.
And in thinking that the ending wasn't shit.

>> No.5632071

>>5632067
luxuriousness*

>> No.5632072

>>5632068
You aren't explaining anything. Merely shouting your opinion as fact is pointless and holds no weight.

>> No.5632073

>>5632068
>In thinking Rusty is a believable character.
What, you think every human being IRL has some kind of a naive optimist child mentality?

>> No.5632076
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5632076

>>5632067
>happy
>implied it goes up to the Royal Family

>> No.5632670

I thought it was quite obvious that he was, say, bringing himself back down to earth with that meditation--though realising that humanity is a virus or some such, that he would consider himself a part of that, but while also wishing for something better of it, which is basic Christianity only more hardcore/conscious/less hopeful

>> No.5632677

>>5632670
And there's also reference in it to that junkie he shot dead, and the whole thing is basically him and the other dude chasing after the devil etc. etc. they owe this, this will set them free....it's all very Christian in a fucked up way.

>> No.5632733

>>5632060
>when Rust throat punches that biker and runs out the back
>when Rust grabs his witness and forces him through the ghetto while trying not to get shot or busted by cops
>when he periodically has to beat the shit out of his witness so the guy won't run away
>when the show doesn't resort to cheap quick cuts to enhance the scene and simply lets it play out to heighten the tension

It might not have been an earth shattering plot point, or even the greatest scene ever, but it was still fun to watch

>> No.5632746

Fucking idiot. This is a place to discuss literature.

>hur dur my board is shit so i'll bring it to you guys haha let me suck your dick by calling you smart

Kill yourself, faggot.

>> No.5632769

true detective kinda fell off

are there any books like this though? with detectives solving shit and so on?

>> No.5632786

>>5632769
>with detectives solving shit and so on?
Agatha Cristie.

>> No.5632788

>>5632786
that's written by a old gay woman

i want the good shit anon, i know u got it somewhere

>> No.5632791

/lit/ is far too hard on other mediums. Pizzolatto's characterization is fine. Rust is overly pessimistic because he has lost all reason to live apart from cases. He uses philosophical rants to show the level of pessimism that has permeated the character. You can see in the way he comes alive during the episode where he goes under cover with the biker gang. It's genre fiction but it does have a biting critical edge that criticizes a culture Pizzolatto grew up with. The show and a lot of Pizzolatto's short stories deal with how the illusion of masculinity that most men put up is pathetic and ultimately valueless.

That is the true area where pizzolatto excels and should be critically analyzed. The rants are basically unimportant to the plot outside of characterization.

>> No.5632796

>>5632791
>Pizzolatto's short stories
where can I find it?

>> No.5632806

>>5632791
o that's why rust is so bad at fucking marty's gf

>> No.5632809

>>5631992
This is kind of true. The problem is, Rust is a pretty convincingly written smart character, but his creator is less intelligent than the character. So you kind of get Tyler Durden syndrome. Interesting bits of theory sprinkled throughout, convincing posturing, but you can never truly make sense of it since the author is a bit of a pleb whose just quite good at simulating smart people. Which isn't a bad thing, I think it's quite an accomplishment to write a character smarter than yourself.

>> No.5632810

>>5632796
He published them in the collection "between here and the yellow sea" but you can find a few of them posted for free on the internet.

>> No.5632826

>>5632810
Thank you.

>> No.5632833

>>5632810
are they any good?

>> No.5632838

>>5632050
>>5632050
>His great Sisyphus ending feels cheap and tacked on too.
I liked the character and the show, but I agree that the ending was awful.

>> No.5632853

>>5631964
since you don't understand it you obviously haven't contemplated it yourself; do you remember when he talked about negative capability?
basically the ultimate expression of empathy; you really have to put yourself in jesus' position to get why he does it

>> No.5632866

>>5632833
They're okay. I enjoyed them, anyway. It isn't groundbreaking or anything but seemed pretty solid to my tastes.

Here's what I think he considers the best of his short stories.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/11/between-here-and-the-yellow-sea/303571/

>> No.5633293

>>5632788
Arsene Lupin

>> No.5633306
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5633306

>>5633293
I always sort of liked the anime take on him, the other day I saw a copy of one of the novels and it was quite decent, much more than I had expected.

>> No.5633334

>>5631964
Rust does not believe in free will even without God. If God sent Jesus to earth to get crucified, he basically crucified himself.

>> No.5633337

>>5633306
I never watched the anime, but I loved all the books. Sherlock Holmes was a homosexual.

>> No.5633354

>>5632769
>with detectives solving shit
Crime and Punishment.

>> No.5633358

>>5632769
Well there's Galveston by the show's writer, pretty good noir.
There's also Laird Barron who's writing is basically hard boiled cosmic horror. I'd recommend both.