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[Anonymous No.5621861]

What's your ideology, my dear /lit/izens? What's the framework of thought that frames your life? Christianity, Nihilism, Absurdism, Deism, Pantheism, Buddhism? Was it inherited from parents or was it something you cultivated for yourself? And finally, are you happy and does your ideology produce happiness?

[Anonymous No.5621873]

>>5621861
>Objectivism.
>Myself.
>Yes, and I must always strive for more.

[Anonymous No.5621882]

Post-right fascism and absolute idealism.

Cultivated it myself.

Ideology doesn't produce happiness, ideology produces values that most be fulfilled for happiness. Most raw happiness comes from fundamental things, like a full stomach, sexual satisfaction, intellectual stimulation, mood altering substances, and relaxation in soothing environment.

[Anonymous No.5621885]

I just live, man.

[Anonymous No.5621888]

philosophical anarchism, functional Keynesian democratic socialism, moral and spiritual agnostic Catholic mysticism

[Anonymous No.5621890]

>>5621882
Oh, and sense of accomplishment is a big one.

[Anonymous No.5621904]

Absurdism. Life is fundamentally meaningless and chaotic, and any structure or principle has only as much value as an individual places upon it.

I couldn't possibly answer that. It's pretty hard for an individual to pinpoint exactly where external influences stop and where internal ones begin (if they do at all).

>implying happiness is the ultimate goal of ideology

I agree with this dude >>5621882 on happiness (and probably nothing else).

[Anonymous No.5621916]

>>5621904
Reality as such might be meaningless and chaotic, although being an absolute idealist I consider it as monist. Either way, human reality is not meaningless or chaotic, if we didn't structure reality into meaning we couldn't function.

[Anonymous No.5621930]

>>5621861
Dialectical Materialism
Partly self-cultivated, but realistically the natural progression of leftist parental influence
I am content with my own life, but my ideology doesn't bring me happiness. Nor do I believe that to be the point of my ideology. Believing in my ideology makes it very disappointing to look at current affairs and the state of the world.

[Anonymous No.5621937]

>>5621916
>if we didn't structure reality into meaning we couldn't function.
It could be argued that we aren't..

I think the important thing to note here is that is *we* who are doing the structuring, and thus providing "meaning". There is no inherent, preformed meaning to the universe (created by a deity, etc), "meaning" is attached to items or ideas by humans.

Put more concisely: Objective meaning doesn't exist, subjective meaning does.

[Anonymous No.5621944]

>>5621930
So ideology is a grounding for perceived truth, rather than happiness?

[Anonymous No.5621950]

Religion: Apathetic

Politics: I used to be quite left leaning but after the recent influx of batshit retarded liberals i'm a bit of a centrist.

Philosophy: I'm educated enough to give an answer but i'd say some form of modern romanticism. My goal in life is to find true love, and I feel that's one of the few things that can still give us meaning.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.5621966]

>>5621937
>It could be argued that we aren't..
No it couldn't, you perform many functions, typing being an example of one. You might not function efficiently, but you function.

>I think the important thing to note here is that is *we* who are doing the structuring, and thus providing "meaning".
And? You couldn't tell a rock for your penis if you didn't.

>Put more concisely: Objective meaning doesn't exist, subjective meaning does.
But you're using 'objective' as synonymous with nomenological, which I do not concur with.

[Anonymous No.5621970]

>>5621944
Of course, for myself at least. That's where perhaps we should draw a line between political ideology and religion.

[Anonymous No.5621982]

>>5621966
Not the same anon, but:

He's saying the meaning we create is a synthesis of us and our environment. Without us, this duet of "meaning" falls flat, and becomes a solo of pure reality, devoid of meaning, which we as humans attribute to reality because of our interactions with said reality.

[Anonymous No.5621984]

>>5621950
>I'm not educated enough to give a solid answer*

[Anonymous No.5621985]

>>5621861
Absurdism as Camus advanced it. Though I'd probably go a step further and say that not only can we attempt to find meaning, but that we should. In my mind, the sheer chaos of existence doesn't preclude the possibility of some sort of "ultimate truth". Not in any sort of religious sense, but maybe something like one day being able to influence the laws of physics...pipe dreams like that. I'm comfortable with the fact that nothing matters very much, but I'm still holding fast to the idea that humanity could impose meaning onto the universe.

[Anonymous No.5622008]

>>5621982
I don't think it's accurate to consider reality only pure as noumena, dialectical reality is still reality, it's human reality, it's like taking the water out of a fishbowl and saying the fish will suffocate in such a 'pure fishbowl'.

[Anonymous No.5622038]

>>5622008
Yes, it's subjective reality. If the human race were to go extinct, that particular 'reality' would no longer exist. Our reality is not objective and as such is transient and has no relation outside of our anropomorphic existence.

[Anonymous No.5622041]

>>5621950

[Anonymous No.5622063]

>>5621861
Nietzschean amoralist leanings I suppose. I think the moralism of the modern age is absolute horseshit and poisons the appreciation of just about everything. It's like some kind of fucking cult where suddenly every piece of media has to be some kind of morality tale, no matter how far the stretch to this belief is. I like to think I've tried to preserve the value in art and create art (literature) separate and apart from this narrative. Also the will to power and control over myself and all of that.

[Anonymous No.5622079]

>>5622038
Like the other anon, you are conflating 'objective' with nomenological.

[Anonymous No.5622098]

>>5622079
I'm not too familiar with Hegel or Kant, so please unpack what noumenological means and how it differs from the use of objective in this context.

[Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ No.5622124]

Ideology is mostly a subconscious superstructure of physiology. Never waste your time trying to answer "profound" philosophical questions about free will and metaphysics. Never concern yourself with the intricacies of a particular religion. Think of life as a beautiful but cruel woman. Read slowly and carefully. No alcohol. No masturbation. Cold showers only, especially in the winter. Aim for perpetual progress, not stagnated happiness. Surround yourself with beauty. Go on moonlit walks with someone you love. Never buy the food in the aisles. Imitate Napoleon Bonaparte and Butt-head.

[Anonymous No.5622131]

>>5622098
Nomenological is reality apart from human perception, reality-in-itself, as opposed to the phenomenological, which is reality grasped by humans. Objectivity couldn't even exist without a human reality, nothing would be 'objectively' anything, because anything being anything is human constructed. Without abstract ideas to dissect reality, there is no 'objective' distinction between any part from another.

[Anonymous No.5622137]

>>5621950
>Religion: Apathetic
Eh fair enough. At least you have more balls than an agnostic.

>Politics: I used to be quite left leaning but after the recent influx of batshit retarded liberals i'm a bit of a centrist.

Fair enough, but entering center is a dumb choice. Averaging out two groups of idiots doesn't get you an intelligent or valid point of view.

>Philosophy: I'm educated enough to give an answer but i'd say some form of modern romanticism. My goal in life is to find true love, and I feel that's one of the few things that can still give us meaning.

Fucking kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.5622140]

>>5622124
>Think of life as a beautiful but cruel woman
Hat

[Anonymous No.5622145]

Aestheticism with Transcendental Idealism by extension

[Anonymous No.5622154]

>>5622145
Oh and
>Was it inherited from parents or was it something you cultivated for yourself?
Myself
>And finally, are you happy and does your ideology produce happiness?
Yes to the first but no to the second, it just makes you jaded and hate life.

[Anonymous No.5622160]

>>5622131
The concept of nomenological is just another one of those abstract ideas, no? And if we're play pedantically here, then change objective to nomenological in my posts. Without the existence of human beings- or rational beings with the same processes of linguistic thought and logic- reality as we know it does not exist. The universe has no "meaning" besides that which we impose upon it.

[Anonymous No.5622169]

>>5622124
>Imitate Napoleon Bonaparte and Butt-head.
>Butt-head

Why Butt-head? He was a total asshole. Beavis was the one of simple mind and pure heart, and the capacity to appreciate beauty. Butt-head was slightly more intelligent than Beavis, but was also a bad person, so he constantly abused and took advantage of the poor guy.

[Anonymous No.5622177]

Psychoanalytic mysticism.

[Anonymous No.5622179]

>>5622160
>The concept of nomenological is just another one of those abstract ideas, no?
Only if you're a subjective idealist.

>And if we're play pedantically here, then change objective to nomenological in my posts.
In which case you're iterating platitudes. Every philosopher has recognized as much since the enlightenment. Platonism has been dead a long time.

[Anonymous No.5622183]

>>5622154
It didn't make Kant hate life, whatever it did to Schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.5622189]

>>5622183
>It didn't make Kant hate life
That's where the Aestheticism comes in.

[Anonymous No.5622201]

>>5622179
Subjective idealists, don't make me laugh. Reality exist, we exist, our interaction with reality makes up our experiences. Our subjective concept and experience of reality dies with us due to it's unique nature. Nomenological reality, if you prefer, exists outside of our perception of it. It is a reality unto itself. I am not so egotistical as to believe the nomenological is dependent on human perception to exist.

[Anonymous No.5622212]

>>5622201
>I am not so egotistical as to believe the nomenological is dependent on human perception to exist.
Then why the rhetorical asinine exercise?
>The concept of nomenological is just another one of those abstract ideas, no?

[Anonymous No.5622232]

>>5622212
The concept/definition is an abstract idea. We cannot fully experience the nomenological, so it is merely an abstract idea. Never the less, an abstract idea which points to a concept which is useful. And the concept is a far cry from the reality, for we can not comprehend said reality.

[Anonymous No.5622355]

>>5621861

Deism with Christian/Kantian ethics.
National Socialism politically.

>Happiness?

So far so good.

[Anonymous No.5622370]

>Amateur Marxism
>Myself
>No. Maybe, I'm not sure. I'm basically powerless, at least that I know.

Ideology is just the cushion you'd like to sit on. and learn to sink into best.

[Anonymous No.5622373]

Ideological war is the stupidest thing.

Winning doesn't make you right, it just means you were better at killing people.

[Anonymous No.5622381]

>>5622373
Good thing a war based on ideological differences has never existed.

[Anonymous No.5622412]

My god, this board is full of contrarian faggots

[Anonymous No.5622455]

>>5622412
welcome to 4chan, the home of delusion

[Anonymous No.5622468]

>>5622373
Being right, especially in the context of politics, is often based on context, so it's not like your forfeiting some objective standard.

[Anonymous No.5622471]

Used to be liberal, marxist sympathizer, Zizek fan, Buddhist Zen nerd, multiculturlaism = strength cheerleader, race is a social construct proponent, everything is basically relative, morals are illusions and all cultures are equal (except Europe which is slightly inferior to all other cultures).

Then I graduated University and began a better self-education. Read more history and philosophy and reached better conclusions. I'm on the far Right now and every thing makes much more sense.

[Anonymous No.5622477]

>>5621861
Situationism I guess. I would classify myself as an apocalyptic socialist. The past century alone is proof enough that humanity will *feast* on bread alone and delight in it as the world decays around them. I hope I'm wrong, but I think humans may just comfort themselves into oblivion.

This century will see, I guess.

[Anonymous No.5622479]

>>5622471
>morals are illusions

And what do you believe now?

[Anonymous No.5622484]

>>5622471

This sort of vacillation between retarded extremes is common among young plebs, I hear.

[Anonymous No.5622487]

>>5622232
>And the concept is a far cry from the reality
In what way? The concept is not specific, it's defined by reality that we do not perceive.

[Anonymous No.5622492]

It's weird; I'm a practicing Roman Catholic but my default philosophy is positive nihilism and stoicism.

Catholicism, I inherited from my parents, but I cultivated the last two to adapt to my previous childish idealism getting shat on by the world.

All the above three keep me going. I'm not really that big on life.

[Anonymous No.5622495]

>>5622471
Right wingers would be funny if they weren't so scary. I think of how WW2 has faded in the minds of many, and shudder to think of the spasm of violence the right will hurtle towards.

[Anonymous No.5622508]

>>5622492
>I'm not really that big on life

Fuck man, for some reason the gravity of this small expression by an anonymous person which represents the culmination of years of suffering really hit me. Now I'm thinking about the girl who was force fed literal shit in The Brothers Karamazov, and find myself agreeing with Ivan. I hope you find happiness anon.

[Anonymous No.5622543]

Enlightened reactionary checking in

[Anonymous No.5622581]

>>5622543
>ideological equivalent to LARP'er checking in

[Anonymous No.5622589]

>>5622492
Have you read Loyola?

[Anonymous No.5622625]

>>5622479

Kantian ethics are fine.

>>5622484

It was a slow and gradual process actually

>>5622495
>>5622495
>I think of how WW2 has faded in the minds of many

heheh, what do you mean?

[Anonymous No.5622642]

>>5622487
Just as all words/concepts are a far cry from reality. They are mere symbols that correspond to an experience/thing/place/time. The word nomenological is a concept which describes something we can't even experience. It's a humbling word, because there is more to reality than we can perceive. We are travelers here, and all our ideology and philosophy and morals will depart with us upon our own departure. All that will be left is the nomenological, reality in and of itself.

[Anonymous No.5622644]

>>5622581
kek

[Anonymous No.5622647]

>>5622471
I'm the post-right fascist, and I think the major problem with you guys is that you sometimes delude yourself into believing culture is innate. Also Zizek is based, the only good Marxist thinker, if you don't like multiculturalism you should at least have that much in common with him.

[Anonymous No.5622654]

>>5622495
It's funny how the communist atrocities have faded in the minds of leftists.

[Anonymous No.5622656]

>>5622471
you were an extremist, now you are an extremist too.
Nothing has changed if you analyse the insights.

[Anonymous No.5622672]

>>5622656
An extremist means far from apathetic, so that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.5622682]

>>5622672
I posted that because you criticized your old believes because they were extremist. Now you are an extremist. That doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.5622684]

Market Socialism/Democratic Socialism.

>What's the framework of thought that frames your life?

Absurdism ala Camus. Also: http://www.marxists.org/archive/gorky-maxim/misc/x002.htm

[Anonymous No.5622695]

>>5622682
I'm not that poster, I'm
>>5622647

But he didn't criticize his old beliefs for being extremist

[Anonymous No.5622699]

>>5622695
Well, it seems like that because he mentioned being a cheerleader of multiculturalism.

[Anonymous No.5622702]

>>5622699
Then he was criticizing multiculturalism, not extremism as such.

[Anonymous No.5622723]

Politically I now gravitate more towards a hierarchal society. I see some Enlightenment ideas, particularly pertaining to individualism, as detrimental or nonexistent. I don't consider myself misanthropic but most people strike me as non-political creatures.

[Anonymous No.5622751]

>>5622723

What would the hierarchy be based on?

[Anonymous No.5622758]

>>5622751
How much of /lit/-core you have read.

[Anonymous No.5622778]

Religiously, I believe in Hinduism/Christianity. Basically I hold all Hindu beliefs (especially theology) EXCEPT there is only one God, also Jesus Christ was a prophet (as where many other people).
Also I am Unitarian - all religions are describing the same reality, except each religion describes it differently.

Politically, I am socialist. Everyone should control their workplace TOGETHER, and everyone should share TOGETHER. This can only be achieved once humanity reaches its higher state, which we are currently moving into. Humanity used to be very religious without knowing why, but now that we have gone through a stage of empiricism/atheism/scientism, we will be able to understand our beliefs and embed them into our lives as truth. So, in the next few decades everyone will ditch atheism and explore religion, but this time it will be understood clearly which will enable us to easily form a socialist society.

Yes, my beliefs make me very happy, and I know that they are correct. I cannot simply show you how they are correct, but I am very confident that they are. And there is nothing to be afraid of - everyone goes to heaven, because God is unable to hate.

[Anonymous No.5622805]

I'm an atheist, a Marxist, and a postmodernist.

[Anonymous No.5622813]

Zen

https://ello.co/koanlaw/post/Ut0_0i5Qw9LTuEwUpjyyFg

[Anonymous No.5622822]

>>5622813
My mind, my mind, my mind...

[Anonymous No.5622823]

>>5622778
>Everyone should control their workplace TOGETHER, and everyone should share TOGETHER. This can only be achieved once humanity reaches its higher state

Ok so that's your future Utopia, but what does that mean for today and now?

I don't get it

[Anonymous No.5622850]

>>5622823
Today there are people who have not fully grown. Only once everyone has grown and accepted God will we be able to live peacefully and share. Until then, we have to teach others, and pray for the growth of humanity.

[Anonymous No.5622872]

I'm a conservative who doesn't believe in conservatism.

I hope you understand what I mean.

[Anonymous No.5622902]

>>5622381
Yeah man all wars in history have actually had solid "justifications" about lack of resources etc. etc.

[Anonymous No.5622957]

>>5622850
Instead of some religious half baked nonsense, read Alec Nove's Economics of feasible Socialism for a realistic model of mixed market Socialism, and read Coop related economic literature.

Socialism doesn't require people to suddenly love each other or advance to some higher being, and anyone who thinks it does is a poorly informed, either about the goals of Socialism, or how economics work.

[Anonymous No.5622978]

>>5622471
>began a better self-education

Confirmation bias.

[Anonymous No.5622988]

Marxism, I suppose. When I was in college I was a determinedly tedious centrist with some dabbling in Camus and the like, and then like a lot of the young contarians on 4chan I went through my reactionary/rightist phase, and now I'm a communist, though I like to think of myself as a pretty flexible one, being influenced by both feminist and anarchist friends of mine, as well as the more usual apolitical types (I do have a shameful semi-ironic thing for North Korea and a less ironic thing for the People's Republic of China, where I lived for a year).

[Anonymous No.5623032]

>tfw "left wing" individualist
I am not a statistic.
>tips fedora

[Anonymous No.5623067]

>>5622957
That is not what I am saying. I am saying that socialism will become the natural state of living once everyone moves into the higher state, it is not a requirement.

[Anonymous No.5623086]

>>5623067
>I am saying that socialism will become the natural state of living once everyone moves into the higher state

It is neither a requirement, nor is it any sort of relevant proposition when considering the future. Do you realize how vague that statement is? Once everybody accepts God war will go away and we all live happily ever after? People share everything with one another? I really hate to spout platitudes, but your original post marks you as delusional.

The path to Socialism lies in changing the material circumstances society is arranged around. Even if everyone moves into a 'higher state' of being, if private ownership of the productive forces of society proves to be a more pragmatic way of organizing the economic forces of society, Socialism will not manifest itself. It does not matter if every single person in society is a revolutionary, or God.

[Anonymous No.5623090]

>>5622508
Thanks anon. It's gestures like these that I've learned to greatly appreciate, so I must say that it hasn't been all that bad for me.

>>5622589
I haven't, why?

[Anonymous No.5623096]

Leaning towards stoicism with some egoism.

The more I read and learn about both, the happier I seem to be. Most of the misery in my life has been caused by me worrying too much about what others think, so I'm trying to get away from that as fast as possible.

[Anonymous No.5623363]

>>5622902
>lack
Not a lack, just greed.

[Anonymous No.5623371]

>believing in a political/economic system
I don't know how any of you claim to love the arts, any system rooted in life is detrimental to art.

[Anonymous No.5623378]

>>5623090
>why?
When he broke his leg (well , the cannonball broke it for him) he found that reading on the agonies of the saints rather than on humorous things was of greater comfort to him. He started his spiritual exercises are like a more hardcore Roman stoicism, dedicated to teaching people to become as disciplined as corpses. Getting shat on by the world as idealism in Catholicism seemed like something you might be interested in. Plus he was always duelling people before he was a hermit so his life story is a good read.

[Anonymous No.5623381]

>>5623378
>are like
*as like

[Anonymous No.5623415]

I don't have a specific one
The concept of having an ideology is too dogmatic for me

[Anonymous No.5623536]

>>5623378
I will read up on him then. Thank you, anon.

[Anonymous No.5623654]

>>5621861
Nihilism, daoism, Rimbaudian genius cultivation method.

Politically: Left libertarian social democracy, or Deleuzian anarchy.

Cultivated through experimentation.

Yes. But happiness is not important.

[Anonymous No.5623680]

>>5622471
Changing your mind literally means nothing.

[Anonymous No.5623687]

Communist Party Member. Fuck you Internet Marxists

[Anonymous No.5623696]

>>5621985
You don't actually get Camus if you think that altering "reality" with physics changes reality. In The Myth of Sisyphus he has a section where he specifically talks about how past a certain point we can't distinguish science from poetry. The systems of science are just a different way we create human meaning. Camus wouldn't think that we change reality with more advanced physics, just that we're imbuing some different meaning into our reality.

[Anonymous No.5623742]

Politics: socialism
Religion: apathetic
Philosophy: recently Ive been going more or less with Schopenhauer's views on aesthetics. I'm a grad student so it makes sense for this stage of my life.

[Anonymous No.5623748]

>>5622654
It's funny how a large part of the left since the start of the Russian Revolution- if not since Bakunin- has been trying to move away from the things which created those "communist" atrocities.

Meanwhile, I've never seen a critical right- the neoreactionaries are trying, but it feels very inconsistent with the framework- which attempts to distance itself from conservative atrocities.

When Bakunin calls out Marx on the problems which would come with a statist attempt at communism, when Luxemburg and the Makhnovists and the sailors at Kronstadt all call bullshit on Marxism-Leninism before it begins, when Trotsky and people who agreed with him are opposed to the Stalinization of the USSR, when Orwell writes exclusively against the Bolsheviks, when the Frankfurt school and Western Marxists try to explain how the USSR post-Stalin is not the left ideal while trying to explain what that is etc you can't claim we've forgotten about communist atrocities. That's so wrong and historically uninformed that it would be shocking if your wanton dismissal of intellectual history weren't the main tool of the Right against people aiming for emancipation and freedom.

The funny thing? The Right always says "we're totally not like them" while advancing similar ideas with no reasoning as to how they are different.

People who want a return to Stalinism exist, to be sure, but are so far away from being the norm on the left and almost always are criticized by the left itself for promoting something that is not leftist.

In short, you're a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.5623768]

>>5621861
Politically anarchism, philosophically absurdism/hedonism, non-religious (not the neckbeard type).

Cultivated it myself.

No, I am not happy and it's not the fault of my chosen ideology, it's because this world is a fucking stinker and life is just a giant porn-tease with the ending being a snapshot to the guys asshole or cock.

[Anonymous No.5623774]

>>5622471
>I'm on the far Right now and every thing makes much more sense.
Sure it does. Protip: your views are even more retarded now than they were before you graduated.

[Anonymous No.5623803]

>>5623687
So what do you do when you're in the Communist Party?
Also, which one?

[Anonymous No.5623806]

I suppose I'm an Absurdist, but only because I can't escape the realization that we're all just flecks of meat on a speck of dust orbiting a single spark in the infinite vastness of space and our actions are therefore both futile and humorous in their futility.

It doesn't make me happy so much as it motivates me to do shit outside my comfort zone so that I won't wake up one day realizing I grew old without any stories.

[Anonymous No.5623813]

>>5621861
>What's your ideology?
I have been trying not to have one. Assumptions, a prioi non-conclusions, get in the way of analysis. Ideology needs more to be overcome than possessed.

>What's the framework of thought that frames your life?
Don't you mean the framework of life that frames my thought? I try to approach things with materialist dialectic. My introduction to this was Marxist, but my interest extends beyond that.

>Was it inherited from parents or was it something you cultivated for yourself?
Auto-didactic. I had no access to education and began with little more than the ability to read. It was rough going at first, but it's getting easier.

>And finally, are you happy and does your ideology produce happiness?
I wasn't happy to begin with, but study has made me feel normal for the first time in my life. Perhaps this is as much due to the pursuit of knowledge as such, and not strictly my investigations into materialist dialectic and Marxism.

[Anonymous No.5623830]

>>5623803
Organize yourself, be it in your school, college, work place, place of residency, organize campaigns, organize demonstrations, fight privatization, fight corruption and abuse of power, promote debates, paintings, culture happenings etc.. You act in a Communist Party. You discuss, you decide, you act upon your reality to change it.
And you build the Party's Party of course

[Anonymous No.5623831]

>>5622625
>Kantian ethics are fine

Hahahaha no.

[Anonymous No.5623838]

>>5621861
is that board game any good?

[Anonymous No.5623840]

>>5623654
I like you.

[Anonymous No.5623885]

>>5623831

Kant is fine. What are you confused about

[Anonymous No.5623888]

>>5623748
Good post.

[Anonymous No.5623890]

>>5622471

This is what needs to happen to /lit/

[Anonymous No.5623898]

>>5623748
epic

[Anonymous No.5623903]

>>5623768
>non-religious

[Anonymous No.5623906]

>What's your ideology, my dear /lit/izens?

Dialectical Materialism.

What's the framework of thought that frames your life?

Marxism.

>Was it inherited from parents or was it something you cultivated for yourself?

Haha so funny story, my father is a pretty hardcore leftist, my mother is politically apathetic.
I was actually a hardcore rightwing anarcho-Capitalist, but when I did actual research into Capitalism and much more importantly Economic sociology, I found that basically Anarcho-Capitalism is actually just absurd bullshit that abstracts the entire system away, also I think the Anarcho-Capitalist community is just filled with fucking arseholes that isolated me more from that ideology.
What was the nail in the coffin though was actually being part of the workforce and jumping between several workplaces where us workers did ALL the fucking work, yet the managers racked in all the cash, and by all the work, I mean ALL THE FUCKING WORK, the managers/owners literally sat on their arses doing fucking nothing, we had to do their jobs for them.

It was that point that I was really put on the road to Socialist thought.

That being said, I still can't tell what type of Socialist I am. I think there are inherent problems with Leninism, but I think that the Left-Libertarian ideologies are way too idealistic.
I would consider myself an orthodox Marxist though I'm very fond of Abdullah Ocalans "Democratic Confedralism", but I'm still not sure on the structure or role of the state in a Socialist society.

[Anonymous No.5623915]

>>5623906
>boo hoo anarcho-capitalism doesn't actually work and is an oxymoron
>thus I must resort to authoritarianism (marxism)
Fucking retarded.

By the way, the people who found businesses do the hardest work. You just go through the motions, which takes zero hard work (mental work). Stop being such an economically clueless pissant.

Didn't expect reason from a marxist though, so that's a relief.

[Anonymous No.5623929]

>>5623915
Cool story bro.

[Anonymous No.5623933]

>>5623929
I'm guessing you're the marxist, since you had no counterargument.

[Anonymous No.5623945]

>>5623906
not to be a dick, but dialectical materialism is seriously outdated. you should read some critiques of it.

[Anonymous No.5623954]

Placing importance on ideology is just giving into the efficiency-based thinking models that we have evolved.

Reality is complex and chaotic and every individual situation is comprised of countless known and unknown variables. I don't see how these things are useful in reality apart from efficiently creating barriers between people.

[Anonymous No.5623972]

>>5623933

#rekt

[Anonymous No.5623981]

>>5623945
Dialectical materialism needs to be and has been continously reinterpreted, and is currently being formed again for the 21st century
Zizek is the aggregate of the movement (he sums up)
The title of his latest book is "Absolute Recoil: Towards A New Foundation Of Dialectical Materialism"
it's communism or nothing all over again

[Anonymous No.5624182]

>>5623813
>le jijeck face

[Anonymous No.5624189]

>>5621861

I guess absurdism. I've got too much empathy to go full nihilist.

Although politically I've become so jaded and borderline nihilistic that I'm becoming dangerously close to going full-on insufferable edgelord.

[Anonymous No.5624220]

>>5621861

I'm what I call a philosophical generalist. I believe kernels of truth can be found in nearly every field of philosophy, and additionally in most other academic, scientific, or artistic areas of study. How something from a particular field can be determined in terms of a truth basis is based on a certain set of logical (and intuitive) guidelines that follow what might look like a blueprint, or a template. Structure of thought in this view is entirely based on the data, and therefore consistently shifting. However, the underlying set of nodes that comprise the blueprint of mind are as concrete as can such a thing be (which isn't very concrete). For instance, one foundational axiom I live by is that one must trust his or her sensory information, perceptual data. This eliminates the possibility of solipsism. Again, it's a given, logically insoluble; but then again, so is mathematics. Perceptivism, intersubjectivity, logical positivism, absolute idealism, absurdism, pseudo-nihilism, existentialism: all these subsets play a role in my philosophical generalism.

[Anonymous No.5624790]

>>5621861
Pessimism with a side of Epicurean ethics.

Happiness and love are the most important things in life.

We should make them the focus of our striving, not in that we should strive for them but in that we should think about how to deal with the reality/lack of them.

Aesthetics, art and the sciences and learning in general make life a bleak place with some brighter spots and dim lights.

I will never father a biological child, though I might adopt.

My parents don't have an ideology.

Politics are poison and I am staying out of them.

Am I happy?
I am much less and much more: I am content. I try to turn off jealousy and it's working for the most part. Learning to be happy for other people is rewarding. We're all naked apes on this rock and frankly I don't have the time for destructive feelings anymore.

PS I am a huge faggot

[Anonymous No.5624836]

So what really is the appeal of Fascism, if not a reactionary tendency when presented with the false-left pushed by the mainstream political spectrum

[Anonymous No.5624840]

I don't have anything going on for me, the only reason I even care about religious/"spiritual" and even philosophic and scientific affairs is because I kind of hope there is an afterlife, but that's about it.

I must be the worst kind of poster on this board, or even the worst kind of person.

[Anonymous No.5624847]

>>5624840
Better come to terms with it m8. Life is meaningless and then you die.
Start with a clear head and build from there, you only have so much time.

[Anonymous No.5624848]

I really don't care anymore. I guess you could call me Machiavellian. I think success is the most important thing, what brings it is not important.
It may come with socialism, it may come with fascism. Though if I had to pick, considering I am of ruling class, I'd pick a fascist state but an aware one; not a nation who just follows a man or another.

[Anonymous No.5624852]

>>5622471
so you fell for right-wing metaphysicial bullshittery
yeah marxism wasn't your thing, obviously

[Anonymous No.5624870]

mine is fuck everyone and look out for myself

[Anonymous No.5624874]

>What's your ideology, my dear /lit/izens?
my philosophical framework is dialectical materialism, influenced by the frankfurt school. So yeah, crit theory it is.
Ideologically-wise, I'm a post-marxist, value-criticism.
>Was it inherited from parents or was it something you cultivated for yourself?
partly. My dad is a big Tito fan (I'm coming from ex-yugoslavia) so I guess this maybe influenced me a lil bit. However, I don't regard Tito as a genuine socialist, so I'm not very positive about him. I cultivated the most part of my ideology for myself, by reading and discussing.

[Anonymous No.5624883]

My ideology is pure.

[Anonymous No.5624891]

Christian, Catholic to be precise (unless this pope changes the doctrine, I go full traditionalist than). Monarchy ala England in 16th century. Not much else to it.

[Anonymous No.5624892]

>>5624847
But even then I don't feel like getting an "ideology", even when I fully believed in god/afterlife everything was pointless to me but not in a depressing/edgy way, I always thought I was irrelevant to pretty much everything except my own life and the people close to me, in fact, one of the main reasons I wanted an afterlife to be real is because I wanted to be forever with the people I loved , not for the fear of disappearing, back then I just did things without any -ism or higher ideas backing it up and I was content, I don't think I need meaning or purpose or anything at all, I was scared of dying but I am slowly coming to terms with it.

[Anonymous No.5624951]

>>5624874
Tito was also an insane maniac and my house is built next to children slaughtered by his orders when they entered Zagreb

[Anonymous No.5624952]

>>5621861
Stoicism.

[Anonymous No.5624966]

>>5624951
Never heard about this. But I've heard about other things that happened (Bar/Tivar massacre, death marches etc.).

[Anonymous No.5625076]

>>5624883

that's a contradiction bruv

[Anonymous No.5625090]

Freudo-Marxist Lacanian/Foucauldian trans-chasing socialist pedagogy.

Ask me anything.

[Anonymous No.5625096]

>>5624952
What dosage?

[Anonymous No.5625113]

>>5621861
To see my own ideology would be like looking at the back of my irises It's totally impossible.

[Anonymous No.5625136]

>>5621861
Pseudo-phyrronic skeptic. I say pseudo because I'm not crazy enough to go walking off cliffs or anything. But I have a strong sense that I have no ability to understand the world at even the most basic level.

I also have a strange, seemingly sourceless belief that, by the very end, everything will have been answered. It's not so much the idea of God as the idea that the TRUTH, with ALL capital letters, exists, somewhere in the universe, and that, one day, I will get my hands on it. It feels as inexorable to me as gravity. Beyond that, however, there is nothing that I can say.

[Anonymous No.5625139]

>>5625090
Wtf is trans-chasing?

[Anonymous No.5625143]

>>5625136
Omit the comma after "that,"

[Anonymous No.5625144]

>>5625139
trying to fuck transsexuals

[Anonymous No.5625145]

>>5625139

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attraction_to_transgender_people

[Anonymous No.5625147]

>>5625096
I try to read a little bit of Seneca, Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius everyday. I have read all the books several times already through a couple of years.

It is difficult to keep mindfull of the main principles at all times. So as Epictetus says you need to keep training and reading.

[Meow No.5625149]

>>5625136
Wow old beard dude is like the Leonardo DiCaprio of our generation or something

[Anonymous No.5625151]

>>5625144
Is that because you want to embrace the phallic mother and fully disavow differance?

[Anonymous No.5625154]

>>5625147
what do you think about the cynics and epicureans? Also Schopenhauer? have you read his aphorisms?

[Anonymous No.5625155]

>>5625151

Nah, i'm just into chicks with dicks.

Best of both worlds, nah mean?

[Anonymous No.5625158]

>>5621882

>Fascism
>intellectual fulfillment

pick one

[Anonymous No.5625161]

>>5625155
>calling yourself a freudian
>giving no explanations for your sexual behavior

pure ideology

[Anonymous No.5625169]

>>5622543

>miss me?

Nope

[Anonymous No.5625177]

>>5621861

I tried ideology once, then I realized it was bullshit but at the same time that it's also inescapable. So I basically live in a shitty haze that I know is a shitty haze, but have enough awareness to understand there's no way out.

[Meow No.5625240]

>>5622543
I have always wondered what that white fabric with black spots is that's associated with kings. Does anyone know?

[Anonymous No.5625248]

>>5625154
I started off mostly reading Aristotle and then advanced to Stoicism as a more practical philosophy to use in my life.

The Cynics are too harsh I think. It's about how to deal with things like wealth, pleasure, fame, etc. and not completely trying to avoid them (you shouldn't try to avoid things you have no control over to avoid!).

Epicureans: they ave a lot of good principles but in the end their purpose of life doesn't seem right to me (pleasure instead of reason/virtue).

I haven't read anything from Schopenhauer yet. But he seems to be pessimistic in general, right? Also liked the Stoics I read somewhere...

What's your ideology btw?

[Anonymous No.5625380]

>>5625248
this guy
>>5624790
Schopenhauer is very pessimist and in practice his philosophy is very much negative hedonist. Not that he really lived by it but his prose is nice and he says a lot of "right" things.
I always felt like the schools I mentioned have so much in common that I basically freely pick and choose what I like.
I am trying to get into Buddhism too.

[Anonymous No.5625412]

Philosophy and ideology are utterly meaningless. All ideas of morality and justice are nothing more than explanations for the release of certain chemicals in the brain in response to particular stimuli. All human endeavour is nothing more than movement of particles in one corner of a universe, which will pass into nothingness in an insignificant length of time.

[truman !!cO9KVBDtkqQ No.5625419]

I'm looking for a new materialism, a way to dispell ecology and nationalism so we can focus on real solutions to global threats and progress beyond this planet.

[Anonymous No.5625425]

>>5625412
Stop trying to be edgy. You could've just said you were a nihilist and be done with it. We still would've made fun of you sure, but this answer is vastly more dumb than the other.

[Anonymous No.5625430]

>>5625412
nice ideology you've got there

[Anonymous No.5625438]

>>5625412

Read kant's critique of pure reason, and read chomsky's 1959 article on skinner.

[Anonymous No.5625440]

>>5625425
It's all true, and you know it. If you thought I was wrong, you wouldn't bother calling me names.

[Anonymous No.5625469]

>>5625438
>kant's critique of pure reason
I can't imagine having the time for at least a year...
>chomsky's 1959 article on skinner
I'll take a look, thanks for the recommendation.

[Anonymous No.5625490]

>>5625440
lol Keep telling yourself that buddy. There are multiple ways to look at existence and don't delude yourself that you don't have the ability to choose. Why not pick one that isn't defeatist and is actually useful?

[Anonymous No.5625496]

>>5624966
Zagreb is full with mass graves.

[Anonymous No.5625505]

>>5625490
You might be right. But before I could choose something, maybe you could help me: How do I recognise a philosophy as useful?

[Anonymous No.5625519]

>>5625380
Hmm, interesting. I might start reading Schopenhauer. I'm off to bed however. Good luck in your further endeavours!

Greetings Stoic apprentice.

[Anonymous No.5625525]

>>5621861
transcendental mysticism

[Anonymous No.5625529]

Utilitarism and idealism

Yes, I'm a horrible person

[Anonymous No.5625534]

>>5625505
I like to think of it this way. All systems of philosophy are art works to be admired. One can provide reasons why one likes an artwork, and one can even find objective reasons a certain artwork fits certain criteria one has for judging the aesthetic value of an artwork. However, that criteria ultimately is irrational and can only be found by exploring yourself and finding what appeals to you. Read philosophy and you find new perspectives that are useful or appealing and use them. It's that simple. I can't tell you what is useful for you.

[Anonymous No.5625536]

>>5625076
pure ideology right here

[Anonymous No.5625547]

>>5625534
So you're arguing that a system of philosophy's value stems from its appeal to individuals?

[Anonymous No.5625559]

>>5622471
The god tier fascists still hold those views, you know. (minus the assumption that relative = equal merit)

[Anonymous No.5625661]

Christian

Just read my story.

Lets call time either past or future, the present is recent past.

Pinocchio says My nose will grow now. it doesnt grow because you can only lie about the past.

Once upon a time there were humans with a very simple language. The verbs were to be, to have and other necessities.
The verbs wouldnt flex with time. The species didnt change since then, we can find this same language everywhere 5000 years ago. So lets call this our Real language, our Spiritual language, meaning we carry it deep inside to this day.

Now lets see the gender roles. Pretty simple: the built male goes out and brings mostly food. The female asks for food and take care of children. Since the man has to work, before he goes out hunting or farming he says: I have food. But even before that the female comes around and says: I dont have food. The female uses the verb in the past. So females are able to lie but men are not.

So manspeak is futurespeak. Men are made with testosterone. The effect of testosterone is not aggression, that is from its derivative estradiol. The mental effect of testosterone is plain Optimism. The man needs to be optimist to do the things he does in the first place. To say I will have food is to say you are optimist.

I am a man and I say I will go to Heaven. Heaven is the ultimate optimism. And Jesus was called the Son of Man. So it is not because I fear death that I have faith. It is just because my balls dropped.

[Anonymous No.5625917]

>>5621861
How pretentious can this get in a few lines?
>Violence was my reaction before I could understand ideology. {~7}
>Quaker pacifism and globalization seemed like infuriating deceits in a world shaped by destruction.
>A decade of enforced liberalism began to bury my killing faith under utilitarian rationalizations. {~8}

>I was briefly an obedient son, but autistic swag (not to say my obsession with combat) pushed the few peers away: in this time I was a scholar superior to my current self. {10}
>However, isolation and angst fertilized my leftist consideration of American society, {~12} clearing the way to
>moral individualism and various investigations of self-exploiting, some of which are now ugly old habits. {~14}

>A stagnation took hold; as I stayed to drink from the fountain of vidya and porn, for years I found no need to proceed. {~16}
>Later, pushed toward the "adult" cliff I began to reevaluate, reluctantly drawing a connection between worldly and intellectual failure.
>However, earlier studies had convinced me that imposing will or control was painfully hopeless, since my fate would be some kind of success or failure irrespective.
>As such, my self-control had successfully approached nil.
>Around this time I nonetheless became self-conscious enough to lose my virginity. {~18}
>Upon drifting into The Small Family College of Liberal Arts I discovered that most people around me were philosphically backward.
>Combined with new excesses, this sea change caused advancement and regression in similar measure. I wanted to know more, but had never felt so tight the grip of fate.

I guess I'll post the rest later, I'm 21 so there's not many more years to cover.

[Anonymous No.5625924]

Christian Anarchist

[Anonymous No.5625937]

Transcendental idealist/libertarian socialist.

[Anonymous No.5626174]

>>5625169
wow u sure rekt me m8

[Anonymous No.5626182]

>>5621861
>ideology
My god, into the toilet it goes and so on

[Anonymous No.5626213]

I subscribe to the Stoic and cynic schools of thought. I try not to give a fuck about politics and religion, rather nihilist in that aspect.

[Anonymous No.5626218]

post-marxism (zizek)

I'm drawn to it the most but I have a lot of reading and working out to do.

[Anonymous No.5626234]

>>5625240
Mustela erminea

[Anonymous No.5626297]

I believe that the concept of large scale war can be eradicated

[Anonymous No.5626921]

>>5626218
zizek more like zikek

[Anonymous No.5629212]

>>5621861
white knight

[Anonymous No.5629215]

Why do you need an ideology? Just go for whatever works/describes the world as it is.