Why do you hate me, /lit/

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Anonymous Mon Oct 20 21:53:59 2014 No.5611899 [Reply] [Original]

Why do you hate me, /lit/

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 21:54:24 2014 No.5611902 >>5611899 Literally who?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:00:32 2014 No.5611919 I don't know who Sam Harris is so I can't hate him

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:05:47 2014 No.5611932

>>5611899
Because your idea of 'spirituality without religion' is pure ideology.

>Spirituality “is a name for all of the deliberate efforts people can make to cut through the illusion of the self, the illusion that there is a thinker in addition to the thoughts, or an ego as it is often called,” Harris, 47, said in a telephone interview. “Self-transcendence is the foundation of what I am calling spirituality.”

Like Zizek said: 'On today’s market, we find a series of products deprived of their malignant property: coffee without caffeine, cream without fat, beer without alcohol. The list goes on: virtual sex as sex without sex, the Colin Powell doctrine of war with no casualties (on our side, of course) as war without war, the redefinition of politics as expert administration as politics without politics. Today’s tolerant liberal multiculturalism wishes to experience the Other deprived of its Otherness (the idealized Other who dances fascinating dances and has an ecologically holistic approach to reality, while features like wife beating remain out of sight). Along the same lines, what this tolerance gives us is a decaffeinated belief, a belief that does not hurt anyone and never requires us to commit ourselves. Today’s hedonism combines pleasure with constraint. It is no longer “Drink coffee, but in moderation!” but rather “Drink all the coffee you want because it is already decaffeinated.”'

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:09:27 2014 No.5611949 I will stab him in the name of Nietzsche one day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:20:51 2014 No.5611990 >>5611932 What book of zizek are you quoting? That sounds interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:25:02 2014 No.5612007 >>5611899 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifpIw3EK7-A

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:27:52 2014 No.5612020 >>5611932 It does strike me as somewhat paradoxical that he is so vehemently against the dogmatic tenants of religiosity, yet in the same breath he blasts his own rigid convictions into a microphone. Is ideology not religiosity without mysticism?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:35:05 2014 No.5612057 >>5612020 He probably learned that his anti-religious argument was actually flawed, so he tried to create his own solution which is actually just a thinly-guised religion or "religion without god" as it were for damage control.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:44:17 2014 No.5612101 >>5611932 Zizek has obviously never read Benjamin

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:45:38 2014 No.5612106

>>5612057
I don't see why religion has to be a term we need to bring into this discussion.
>On today’s market, we find a series of products deprived of their malignant property.

Unless we want to make capitalism the same thing, let's discuss ideologies as ideologies.

I for one can't see how far his love for psychoanalysis goes, anybode has something?

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:48:01 2014 No.5612115
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Guys, I don't know what to do

There are so many ways to think about life and so many people with convincing arguments

Every day I think about my life and what it means, I just want peace of mind

What do I read, which philosophy do I follow to finally be at rest?

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Mon Oct 20 22:48:30 2014 No.5612120 What do you guys think of Steven Pinker? I don't know what it is about him, but he annoys the shit out of me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:49:00 2014 No.5612121 Here is a good article on Dawkins, of whom Harris is just a bad copy. http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2014/10/closed-mind-richard-dawkins

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:50:19 2014 No.5612126 Sam Harris is basically Richard Dawkins without the intelligence and Christopher Hitchens without the debating skills and unapologetic assholery.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:50:57 2014 No.5612128 >>5612126 Dawkins is a retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:52:35 2014 No.5612137 >>5611899 ba >Murderous religious fanatics know their way around the Internet. >I have some significant security concerns, Harris said Friday. The Salman Rushdie effect is something I'm cognizant of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:52:45 2014 No.5612139 >>5612126 yep

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:54:03 2014 No.5612145

What bugs the shit out of me is their insistent assertion that philosophy is worthless, yet proceed to posit claims within a philosophical apparatus, e.g. philosophy of science, metaphysics, epistemology, varying differing conceptions of cognitive function, ethical claims, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:55:55 2014 No.5612153 >>5612128 The selfish gene is great though, not the work of a retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:56:18 2014 No.5612155 >>5612145 Damn fucking right. WORDS bitch,

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:56:48 2014 No.5612157 >>5612126 >and unapologetic assholery But that was Chris's charm.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Oct 20 22:57:43 2014 No.5612160 File: 770 KB, 1024x768, Daisies.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5612128 I'm sure that must be you instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:57:53 2014 No.5612161 >>5612157 That's his point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:57:53 2014 No.5612162 >>5612145 Some people, well most people really, are so shit at philosophy that they don't actually understand what it is, they're incapable of parsing their experience and their notions of reality in the way it requires.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:57:55 2014 No.5612163 >>5612157 I never said it was a bad thing, it's just a defining characteristic of Hitchens that Harris lacks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 22:58:33 2014 No.5612166 >>5612145 Especially this about the brain, these fuckers alwys wanna ring in some of the hard science ie. neurons and shit, but the truth is; that the brain is as unchartered as india was it before be ce.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:04:21 2014 No.5612187 Hitchens really hated Muslims. Why do the big atheists seem to hate Muslims especially?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:05:41 2014 No.5612195 >>5612187 In the present age they act a good deal more retarded than the Christians, who've calmed down somewhat

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:07:19 2014 No.5612202

I can't really respect Sam Harris out of the old "big 4" atheists used to look up to

I can respect Dawins for the fact that, even if his views are flawed, he doesn't act like he has all the answers, and he simply wants to find a way to biologically explain the way we are

I can respect Hitchens as a wonderful (albeit very repetitive if you watch them back to back) debater, for focusing purely on a moralistic stance as to why he has the arguments he does, and for our shared love of Johnnie Walker.

And I can respect Daniel Dennett because he looks like Santa Claus and rocks that beard.

But Harris? What does he have?

>>5612187

Orwell the closest thing to his personal hero, so Htichens hated muslim nations due to the fact that many of them live under semi-totalitarian rule.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:08:26 2014 No.5612213 >>5612202 Dawkins*

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Mon Oct 20 23:09:09 2014 No.5612217 File: 669 KB, 500x750, twiggypink.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5612187 Muslims fly airplanes into skyscrapers and stab people to death for making documentaries critical of Islam.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:09:26 2014 No.5612219

>>5612195
Christians aren't to blame for stupid things that the church and various governments have done in the name of the religion in the past, so neither are Muslims to blame for stupid things that certain governments of Arab countries and extremist religious groups are doing now

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:09:51 2014 No.5612221

>>5612202
Denett's defense of Free Will is absolutely lel-worthy though, it boils down to
>if you avoid something you were going to do that means you free!
When people reply that the avoidance of the thing was also caused by something he literally just repeats
>but you avoided it! and you were going to do it!

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Mon Oct 20 23:10:14 2014 No.5612223 >>5612187 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_%28film_director%29

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:10:52 2014 No.5612228 >>5612219 >so neither are Muslims to blame for stupid things that certain governments of Arab countries and extremist religious groups are doing now The Muslims doing them certainly are to blame, the rest of them are irrelevant of course

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:11:00 2014 No.5612230
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>>5612145

This is the same problem with DeGrasse-Tyson and Hawking, though Tyson sees the merit of some philosophy IIRC (ironically not the philosophy relevant to his own work thoguh)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:11:54 2014 No.5612231 >>5612217 In fairness, Christians would still do it too if they had the level of power they did long ago,

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:13:07 2014 No.5612235 >>5612221 In all honesty I know next to nothing about Dennett and have neither read nor listened to any of his stuff, so I had to think of something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:13:43 2014 No.5612240 >>5612231 No one has absolutely any reason to believe this is true.

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Mon Oct 20 23:14:04 2014 No.5612244 >>5612231 How do Christians not have the power to do the things I listed?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:14:42 2014 No.5612246 >>5612231 Christians would still do it if they lived in failed states made perpetually shitty by Western intervention.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:14:57 2014 No.5612248 >>5612240 if the following behind your idealogy has the power to stamp out what they see as "dangerous" to it, why wouldn't they?

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Mon Oct 20 23:15:46 2014 No.5612251 >>5612246 RON PAUL 2016

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:16:24 2014 No.5612254 >>5611932 wait so who or what is being deceived by the illusion?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:16:41 2014 No.5612257 >>5612251 rational foreign policy and basic knowledge of history

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:17:13 2014 No.5612262 >>5612246 They do do that shit in Christian countries though, see half of latin america, especially Chile is well known

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:18:20 2014 No.5612268 >>5612262 failed states made perpetually shitty by Western intervention >Allende

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:18:52 2014 No.5612273 >>5612262 So, they do it in colonized countries who suffered direct western intervention up to 20 years ago and are just now beginning to suffer (less) indirect intervention

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:21:58 2014 No.5612281 >>5612273 They do it everywhere all over the earth and have been doing so since WW2

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:24:12 2014 No.5612287 File: 124 KB, 237x243, catlipskorra.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5612248 Because not every adherent to an ideology sees exactly eye to eye. Remember the Reformation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:24:18 2014 No.5612288 >>5612115 take one and run with it, there's no magic pill for that

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Oct 20 23:24:40 2014 No.5612289
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>>5612240
Christians have been terrorists in the past. It is demonstrably true.

>>5612244
They don't have the inclination to now that their base is becoming more secular and passive

>>5612246
Exactly. Hello Northern Ireland.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:25:15 2014 No.5612291 >>5612251 You are so pretty... And fromthe sixties, don't get mixed up in politics please-

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:27:04 2014 No.5612296 >>5612289 That's the entire fucking point, that they've calmed down

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:28:28 2014 No.5612302 >>5612273 >and are just now beginning to suffer (less) indirect intervention >just now beginning to suffer indirect intervention >(less) elaborate. I do not understand.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Oct 20 23:28:38 2014 No.5612304
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>>5612287
This is another factor in the relatively recent passivity of Christianity, but it's lack of coherence has ALWAYS been there and gotten it's adherents into horrific blood feuds. Islamists aren't all that cohesive either.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:30:04 2014 No.5612311

>>5612289

That doesn't mean anything. People who disagreed with the church took a stand; it wasn't without bloodshed but look at the result: most Christians wouldn't do awful shit in the name of their beliefs. You've got a few outliers who'd be dangerous under the right circumstances, but they're definitely a minority.

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Mon Oct 20 23:30:04 2014 No.5612312 >>5612296 There is no point in trying to reason with them. They have an irrational hatred of the United States and the West and see Islamic extremists as a type of "patriot" against the Evil Empire.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:32:08 2014 No.5612324 >>5612304 Exactly. It's both a good and bad thing that not all Christians see eye to eye; that allowed for the Church to stop doing such shitty things. They didn't lose the power they had because they were defeated and usurped. They reformed.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:32:13 2014 No.5612325

>>5612115
Buddhism, Epicureanism, Stoicism, that kind of stoff. Ataraxia, apatheia, upekkha are your keywords.

They probably won't work though, might as well be at peace with the fact that you'll never find peace and start swimming along with the stream in a glorious amor fati.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Oct 20 23:32:15 2014 No.5612326
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>>5612296
They've calmed down to a dull roar because of secularism and outright atheism, but all that on account of general prosperity and a large content middle class.
Is all that went away the crazy seed of the weed of Christianity will rise again and kill whoever they claim to be heretical.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:33:06 2014 No.5612328 >>5612312 Why is this hatred Irrational, If we don't put united states in that name-box, but capitalism instead, or what ever the United States of America has created for all of us real westerners, why can i not hate that colonial thought prison?

Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Mon Oct 20 23:33:38 2014 No.5612329
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>>5612223
Do you terrorist sympathizers blame Theo van Gogh for the knife in his chest? You seem to be willing to go out of your way not to offend sensitive Muslims. Are you willing to sacrifice free speech in order for retards not to take to the streets?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:35:39 2014 No.5612335 >>5612329 yup. fucker should have known better than to insult the prophet 0/10 troll harder faggot

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Oct 20 23:36:09 2014 No.5612337
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>>5612324
>They reformed.
Yes, thank you industrial and secularist political revolutions and the general prosperity that gave birth to new thinking people instead of god and king loving cretins

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Mon Oct 20 23:36:34 2014 No.5612341 File: 28 KB, 387x357, twiggy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5612335 "I think in internet memes."

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:37:15 2014 No.5612344 >>5612341 Be glad. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're not actually a moronic Harris-ite

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:37:46 2014 No.5612346 >>5612335 >>5612344 >xD

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:37:59 2014 No.5612348

>>5612326
There are and always have been a sizable number of Christians who believe (rightfully) persecution of heretics is sinful. Only the few in power in those days carried out those persecutions; whose to say if Christianity was still a huge power, it wouldn't be helmed by benevolent Christians?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:38:40 2014 No.5612351 >>5612346 put your trip back on Twiggy

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:39:22 2014 No.5612355

>>5612329
Grait answer to you own link. No one except you is talking about some guy - making movies - being dutch - getting killed by an orthodox fanatic except you, why is it irrational to hate what stems from my (MY) society my state? Isn't that what america is all about,? I don't like the face that's up in the western world, I guess I hope that everyone should have gotten wiser by now. But maybe that's just pipedreams. Don't know, don't even know if I even care. Cheers though and mber that christmas only gets here once a year.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:40:57 2014 No.5612363
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>>5612337

And now we've descended into willful ignorance of some of the most important events in religious history, coupled with obnoxious tumblr gifs.

I guess all that's really important is that no fundies will ever make any part of the world into a Christian Theocracy

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Mon Oct 20 23:41:03 2014 No.5612365 >>5612355 I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You seem insane.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:41:53 2014 No.5612369 >>5612351 Jesus christ are you a fucking retarded tumor

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:45:30 2014 No.5612381

>>5612365
Yeah I probably am, but my point was that you answered your own fucking link on Theo Van Gogh with more information about him, instead of telling me why you think that my hatred of what america stands for right now is irrational. I'm telling you, I don't like the capitalist machine, convince me. whtv

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Oct 20 23:47:56 2014 No.5612389 File: 32 KB, 600x269, sedmikrasky-3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5612363 >My Christian Animu .jpegs are far more pure than your dirty 3D pig-disgusting tumblr pics. Surely god will smite thee if my hand fails here!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:48:52 2014 No.5612396 >>5612381 Someone asked Twiggy: Who do high profile atheists hate Muslims particularly. Twiggy answered with Van Gogh's example: Because Muslims are actually out to kill (high profile) atheists.

Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Mon Oct 20 23:52:03 2014 No.5612415
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>>5612381
It is irrational to reject all arguments against your position and only look for reasons that support your predetermined belief. I don't know or care why you hate America, capitalism, or whatever.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:53:38 2014 No.5612429

>>5612396
But isn't using the word muslim when describing these people against the fucking point of what the
>(high profile) atheists.
are getting killed for?

>Why do high profile atheists hate Muslims particularly?
Do they? Is Sam Harris really afraid of Muslims? Who is these high profile atheists?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:53:39 2014 No.5612430 >>5612145 This is really what's so absurd about the "new atheists" vs. those who actually knew what they were talking about like Russel

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 23:57:59 2014 No.5612447

>>5612415
The argument being that some psycho killed somebody? I see my predetermined belief as being the same fucking thing as you "believing" that Islam as a belief can be held responsible for the killings in any way, if this is what makes atheists hate on Muslims, i would find that very hypocritical and ... pleb

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Mon Oct 20 23:59:55 2014 No.5612457 >>5612447 It is a lot more than just "one psycho." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:02:19 2014 No.5612472 >>5612457 I did say killings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:03:47 2014 No.5612482 >>5612429 That wasn't even my question I was referring to which was clear from my phrasing. Your thinking seems structurally impaired.

Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Tue Oct 21 00:04:18 2014 No.5612484
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>>5612447
I will grant that my belief in the value of an open society where every clitoris isn't cut off is just as irrational as the beliefs of others but I don't give a shit and take delight in the fact that Islamic radicals are being killed every day.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:09:12 2014 No.5612513 >>5612484 Darling, do eat up. You're looking so mighty skinny.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:11:53 2014 No.5612523 >>5612484 >I don't like female circumsision >let's teach them how to do it, by killing them. I'm sorry to sound crazy once more, but that seems archetypical north american to me.

Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Tue Oct 21 00:15:23 2014 No.5612531

>>5612523
There are many reasons: female circumcision, throwing acid in the faces of women who aren't wearing a veil, overthrowing or attempting to overthrow democratic governments, killing people for drawing cartoons, and most importantly causing instability in an oil-rich region. The oil under that sand belongs to the United States.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Tue Oct 21 00:16:54 2014 No.5612534 >>5612513 It is an empty plate. She ate up every last speck of dust.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:17:38 2014 No.5612536 >>5612531 >typical woman stuff, suddenly >that oil belongs to the US wot are you ayn rands ghost

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:20:15 2014 No.5612545 >>5612531 >overthrowing or attempting to overthrow democratic governments America has a history of doing this too, should I bomb myself?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:20:46 2014 No.5612548 File: 39 KB, 200x196, WTF Man - Sad Falcon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5611899 Because you speak in absolutes way too fucking often.

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Tue Oct 21 00:21:54 2014 No.5612555 >>5612545 No, you should "bomb" the specific individuals in past administrations responsible.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:29:04 2014 No.5612584

>>5612555
How come when it's in the US, in a population that has had (and still hasn't stopped, tbh) it's fair share of racism, misoginy and homophobia, one should only prosecute administrators, but when it comes to those dirty brown people, they should all be bombed to hell?

Could it be that nouveau atheism is just islamophobia is just colonialism under a new face?

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Tue Oct 21 00:31:13 2014 No.5612593 >>5612584 >they should all be bombed to hell Despite the number of civilian casualties that you could list, it is a little more precise than that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:32:12 2014 No.5612598 >>5611932 >make criticism with no explanation >take random quotes from Sam >quote Zizek talking about something unrelated 10/10 post my fellow memer

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:38:12 2014 No.5612622

>>5612254
The traditional view of the self is that there is a center to one's experience. We all have a personal history and a personality. Most of us have a feeling like we are hiding behind our eyes looking out through the world. We feel we are the thinker of our thoughts even though they appear in consciousness automatically.

This view is an illusion that can be broken through practicing certain meditation techniques. The true self is the combination of sense perceptions, thoughts, and emotions in the present moment.

Putting it simply: There is no "you" experiencing your life, there is only experience itself.

Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Tue Oct 21 00:39:18 2014 No.5612628

>>5612584
Why is it so hard for people like you to critique both the United States and its enemies? It doesn't have to be one or the other. If some American dude is hanging black people from trees or beating the shit out of his wife then he deserves to be punished too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:43:13 2014 No.5612645 >>5611932 >using the opinion of some fat Marxian as an argument You continentals crack me up.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:43:44 2014 No.5612650

>>5612622
well how is it an illusion if nothing is being fooled? This seems stupid all it looks like harris wants us to adopt a way of experiencing life, that he, with his own agenda, has decided is better or some shit. And his couched it in terms so that it seems like we are 'waking up' or becoming 'enlightenend', when all it is is adopting harris's way of experiencing life, because he wants us to

man fuck this guy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:45:55 2014 No.5612655 >>5612584 How can you condemn homophobia, misoginy and racism in America, but support it in Islamic states and the religion of Islam itself?

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Tue Oct 21 00:48:50 2014 No.5612672 >>5612655 If the United States did not have that base in Saudi Arabia then it would be the garden of Eden in the Middle East.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:49:03 2014 No.5612674

>>5612650
>how is it an illusion if nothing is being fooled?

The self is an illusion because most people feel as if it's true.

He didn't invent this. This is literally the reason why meditation is beneficial to mental health. Nothing about this contradicts anything we understand about the human brain.

I don't understand why you're so hostile to this idea when you barely understand it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:52:40 2014 No.5612693 >>5611932 Zizek is a jittering idiot

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:53:20 2014 No.5612696 >>5612281 Say that to my face, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:54:25 2014 No.5612700 >>5612160 >buttercunt speaks as though she has something to say

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:56:57 2014 No.5612709 >>5612672 Are you against military intervention in the middle east tonight, Twiggy? I guess it must be funnier than always forcing the same trolling.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:58:42 2014 No.5612719 >>5612700 Yet doesn't. Have something to say, I mean.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Tue Oct 21 01:01:44 2014 No.5612729 File: 105 KB, 720x508, Qu-Richard Dawkins.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5612700 Meta >>5612719 posting

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 01:04:45 2014 No.5612747 >>5612729 nice quote, dawkins defending an easily defended stance. >O you so out there

Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Tue Oct 21 01:08:11 2014 No.5612757
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>>5612709
>Are you against military intervention in the middle east tonight, Twiggy?
I will be for intervention in the Middle East (and other regions) until every single country is a democratic ally of the United States and on its way to erasing its borders and willfully submitting to an international world order that destroys all traces of Islam through propaganda and giant flaming throwing, Gozilla-sized holograms of Jesus Christ.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 01:11:16 2014 No.5612767 >>5612115 Camus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 01:11:48 2014 No.5612769 >>5612757 heaven

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 01:24:49 2014 No.5612817 File: 67 KB, 493x622, radical.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5612757 That pic is 2qt3.420 for me to handle. Who is she?

>>	Twiggy !!ErZLYHNhXgZ Tue Oct 21 01:27:05 2014 No.5612829 >>5612817 http://youtu.be/obvSFWvgBhg

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:17:37 2014 No.5613010 Because he's gross, he's a racist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:19:12 2014 No.5613015 >>5612817 That's the real Twiggy, you tard.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:24:12 2014 No.5613030

>>5612007
Where in the end of faith does Harris advocate torture? The part where if we preemptively know an islamic will use weapons against and choosing to strike first?

And then that stupid quip about Buddhist meditation, the reason why Harris doesn't criticize meditation as strongly is because it actually is true, yet he still argues that we will have to jettison the religious dogma behind it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:27:40 2014 No.5613036 >>5613010 >Muslim's are gross >They're prejudice

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:28:32 2014 No.5613039 >>5613036 No sam harris is racist and gross because he hates all the race of islam.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:31:34 2014 No.5613045 >>5613039 >Race >Islam Wow you are one hell of a bigot, chief.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:36:21 2014 No.5613051 >>5611932 >Modern society lets us have nice stuff without consequences. THIS IS A BAD THING GUYZ!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:42:41 2014 No.5613059 >>5611932 Noticing that thoughts don't have a conscious author isn't an ideology though. He claims that there's objective evidence to support it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:45:59 2014 No.5613069 >>5612187 Hitchens didn't hate Muslims though. He was always speaking in favor of moderate, leftist Muslims. I don't think Harris hates them either, but the accusations make much more sense when directed at him than at Hitchens.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:47:05 2014 No.5613074

>>5613069
The accusations don't make sense regardless. Harris is just more strident in his criticism of islamism, but I mean, he's writing a book with this muslim Maajid Nawaz. How much can you hate muslims if youre writing a book trying to come to common ground with one?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:47:19 2014 No.5613075 >>5612115 See: >>5611121 Remember: start with the Greeks and end with the Greek Plato.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:51:00 2014 No.5613083

>>5613051
It's not like there isn't any consequences, they're just pushed onto the third world in the form of labor exploitation, trade imbalances, and the exportation of environmental externalities. We rob trillions of dollars every year from these people while we masturbate over "tolerance" or w/e.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Tue Oct 21 02:52:58 2014 No.5613088 File: 88 KB, 581x835, resized_Epicurus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5613075 >and end with the Greek Plato. NEVER!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:00:52 2014 No.5613100 >>5613088 You realize that if scientists prove that the universe is a hologram, they'll have essentially proved that Plato was right? It's inescapable. We're all Platonists now, living in this world of shadows and reflections.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:04:32 2014 No.5613108 >>5613100 I don't think you understand what a hologram is, since what you probably are thinking of is simulation. And even if it is a simulation that's not what plato thought anyways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:04:56 2014 No.5613109 >>5613100 How would you define a left-hand glove compared to a right-hand glove so a person who had no knowledge of those terms could tell you which you meant? And not get the other? The mirror opposite?"

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Tue Oct 21 03:11:31 2014 No.5613121 File: 81 KB, 500x328, No proof.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5613100 I was banned for started a thread about something like this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:13:06 2014 No.5613125 >>5613121 yeah cause he's fucking wrong

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Tue Oct 21 03:21:12 2014 No.5613151 >>5613125 I concur, but I thought a thread on string theory as The Forms would be fun. Instead we get a thousand joyless Sam Harris threads.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:27:40 2014 No.5613168

>>5613151
Yeah you can say it would be fun but it has no basis in platonic theory. Strings in string theory are material, the true essence of the forms isn't. The best you could possibly do is argue that even the strings aren't true and there must exist some true essence of strings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:28:36 2014 No.5613172 >>5611899 I personally find him uninteresting because he thinks his oversimplified and textbook criticisms of Abrahamic religions is somehow intellectual and tries to pass himself off as a deep thinker.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Tue Oct 21 03:35:20 2014 No.5613191 >>5613168 No no, they're just very very fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:43:14 2014 No.5613217 >>5613191 Then you need to reread plato because you misunderstand his theory of forms.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Tue Oct 21 03:56:27 2014 No.5613251

>>5613168
The best you could possibly do is argue that even the strings aren't true and there must exist some true essence of strings.

i recall one tale which i read, written by one pothead, about a stoned guy who saw a cat and realized that the cat consisted of whiskers, but only the cat, the street, the city, the whole universe consisted of whiskers and that scientists know that but they call those whiskers strings and the whole conception string theory. a silly tale, but i imagine those strings as cat whiskers now

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 04:04:06 2014 No.5613269 >>5612101 >>5612598 >>5612645 >>5612693 >>5613051 Epicly refuted my good sirs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 04:13:33 2014 No.5613284 Twiggy and Butterfuly are the same person. Just a different fedora.

ITP: How to be an OP Tue Oct 21 04:28:49 2014 No.5613320

>>5613284
I agree with this. Especially with how Twiggy hasn't been banned for avatarfagging and derailing (not like he did in this thread, i'm referring to more explicit examples). I feel like his existence here just makes the board less fun, useful, or intelligent in every way possible.

>>	ayy lmao Tue Oct 21 04:29:34 2014 No.5613326 File: 4 KB, 164x120, UNINTELLIGENT FEMALE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who doesn't

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 05:13:41 2014 No.5613402 Does anyone else think Sam Harris is kinda qt. Like im not gay, but if he was talking about something and pulled out his dick i'd still be interested

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 06:02:34 2014 No.5613461 >>5611899 /lit/ hates everything.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 06:10:52 2014 No.5613474

>>5611899
For a guy /lit/ likes to mock, he sure does get a lot of attention here, even in bait threads. I don't think he has many 'answers', but he is certainly a well-spoken critic of a lot of the religious nonsense that still drags the world down. That said, his whole Moral Landscape utilitarian stuff is rather presumptuous and mostly devoid of any nuance or proper humanist considerations. I love dissenting view points generally but to agree with them is a different kettle of fish

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 06:13:57 2014 No.5613482 >>5612246 Christians still live in those countries

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Tue Oct 21 06:26:27 2014 No.5613515 >>5613461 Iknowright. >>5613482 As minorities they can't do much beyond fighting an uphill nationalist battle, like the Kurds, But, again, hello Northern Ireland.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 11:39:06 2014 No.5614392 >>5611990 Who is Zizek?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 11:47:46 2014 No.5614419 >>5613251 >>5613251 Sounds like something from a pod novel.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 12:02:28 2014 No.5614459 [DELETED]

>>5612531
>female circumcision,

My Christian girlfriend is 'circumcised.' In most cases it's a small, symbolic incision and it certainly isn't exclusively (or even mostly) a Muslim practice.

>throwing acid in the faces of women who aren't wearing a veil

How prevalent do you think this is?

>overthrowing or attempting to overthrow democratic governments
>most importantly causing instability in an oil-rich region
>The oil under that sand belongs to the United States

kek

throwing acid in the faces of women who aren't wearing a veil

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 12:07:29 2014 No.5614482

>>5612531
>female circumcision,

My Christian girlfriend is 'circumcised.' In most cases it's a small, symbolic incision and it certainly isn't exclusively (or even mostly) a Muslim practice.

>throwing acid in the faces of women who aren't wearing a veil

How prevalent do you think this is?

>overthrowing or attempting to overthrow democratic governments
>most importantly causing instability in an oil-rich region
>The oil under that sand belongs to the United States

kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 12:55:55 2014 No.5614728 because you make more money than me, for stating simple facts which are on-trend with the pseudo-intellectual middle class.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 14:23:26 2014 No.5615137 >>5613121 >>5613151 You do realize mods hate tripfags too

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 19:07:37 2014 No.5616264 Who is this zisek you guys are talking about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 19:10:27 2014 No.5616282 >>5616264 The hero /lit/ deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 23:06:39 2014 No.5617396 >>5611990 >On today’s market, we find a series of products deprived of their malignant property http://www.lacan.com/zizekdecaf.htm

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 23:07:05 2014 No.5617397 provide a terrible ethics

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 01:46:08 2014 No.5618011 File: 192 KB, 501x445, 1405313355193.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5613151 >string theory as the Forms Oh goddamnit

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 02:14:45 2014 No.5618094 >>5616264 He's liek the Stallman and Gaben for /lit/ :)

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 08:26:20 2014 No.5618895 >>5612235 he's a pretty mediocre philosopher also believes that qualia don't real

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Oct 22 08:34:18 2014 No.5618912 >>5614419 i dunno what's 'a pod novel' but that was a tale, i was accurate about the genre, a 'rastaman tale'

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 08:44:10 2014 No.5618930 >>5618912 pod as in Philip K Dick, fucking auto correct I have the fucking thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 08:50:28 2014 No.5618941 >>5618895 his naturalised epistemology and his conception of freedom are both interesting he's close to being a cognitive psychologist in his inclinations

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