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5588174 No.5588174 [Reply] [Original]

What is the exact definition of "suicide"?
Can bad eating habits be called killing yourself?

Now, if you want to reply with something as:
"You dont die directly from bad eating habits, you die from heart-attack/etc.", I reply with:
"You dont die directly from jumping out of a window, you die from fracturing your spine"

In christianity, suicide is a big sin - can therefore be smoking, bad eating habits, etc. called a sin?

>> No.5588186

so you reply with pedantic stupidity?

>> No.5588196
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>>5588174
>Can bad eating habits be called killing yourself?
Definitely.

>> No.5588198

>>5588186
care to explain why do you think that it is pedantically stupid?

>> No.5588203

>>5588196
then please try to discuss the last sentence in my original post

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>>5588198
>>5588174

>> No.5588226

Are Sicilians white?

>> No.5588243

Birth

>> No.5588268

>>5588174
>What is the exact definition of "suicide"?
Intentional ending of one's own life, not necessarily without any assistance.
>Can bad eating habits be called killing yourself?
What a weird question
If they result in your death by intentional means. Sallekhana is a popular example of this, suicide in hunger strikes also happens quite often. However, generally speaking eating habits do not mean that you intend on ending your life, simply they indicate on your carelessness towards proper dieting and general health
>In christianity, suicide is a big sin - can therefore be smoking, bad eating habits, etc. called a sin?
Only if those means are used to cause indirect suicide.

>> No.5588281

>>5588174
>In christianity, suicide is a big sin - can therefore be smoking, bad eating habits, etc. called a sin?

>what is gluttony

>> No.5588285

1 Cor 6:19-20 (NIV) Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your body.

Harming yourself is usually considered sinful in Christianity. There's a big difference between self-harm and self-murder. If what you do to yourself could be considered murder if you do it to someone else then it is probably suicide. Feeding yourself/your child, unhealthy food, not enough food would be neglect; poison food or complete starvation would be murder/suicide.

>> No.5588296

>>5588268
thanks for this post. so:
If Im eating bad and I am shortening my life without the intention to make myself pass away sooner, this is not "suicide", but if Im doing it with the intention of killing myself slowly it is considered as "suicide" by God?

Is it all judged based on the conviction in my head?

>>5588226
yes

>> No.5588301

>>5588174
The difference between bad eating habits and jumping out a window is the intent. As in any -icide, it's a murder. A killing that isn't intentional isn't a murder.

>> No.5588320

>>5588301
please read the first reply in this comment: >>5588296

Did I get it right?

>> No.5588360

>>5588296
>If Im eating bad and I am shortening my life without the intention to make myself pass away sooner, this is not "suicide", but if Im doing it with the intention of killing myself slowly it is considered as "suicide" by God?
Suicide is not a very elaborated subject in Biblical texts so there would be little difference between general suicide with the accord to common definition and the Biblical one, but yes, the only real characteristic of suicide is the act on the intend of own death in whichever means attainable.
>Is it all judged based on the conviction in my head?
I am not seeing how decision on taking action in order to kill oneself may be a subject of relativity.

>> No.5588397

>>5588360
>I am not seeing how decision on taking action in order to kill oneself may be a subject of relativity.
What I meant by calling it "conviction in my head" is, that altough the act remains the same (i eat bad and i proceed to shorten my life by this), it is treated differentely based on what happens in our thoughts - how do we reason our bad eating habits in our head.

>> No.5588406

Suicide is virtue incarnate. It is life in all its forms that is deplorable.

>> No.5588410
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>>5588203
Suicide is just a convenient word we use to describe someone who intentionally kills him or herself. To dig deeper into your "bad eating habits" example, you would run up against boring arguments about free will. Inserting Christianity into the matter further complicates things unless you are looking for a pure theological answer. Suicide also needs to be broken into different categories. One form of suicide is wasting your life trying to answer questions you will never be able to answer. It is better to affirm life, eat properly, go on moonlit walks, live dangerously, never become fat, and fall in love with a beautiful girl.

>> No.5588431

>>5588410
heheh yes yes, we can go so far in defining suicide, at first I wanted to achieve this in this thread, but I aswell wanted a pure theological reasoning, and I already got it from this anon >>5588268

thanks guys, /lit/ still has the same quality as it used to have, this brought a nice feeling to me.

>> No.5588443

>>5588174
>Can bad eating habits be called killing yourself?

Only if breathing can be called killing yourself.

>> No.5588445

>>5588431
>thanks guys, /lit/ still has the same quality as it used to have, this brought a nice feeling to me.
yep, ignoring the post with the only actual reference to a book is a mark of /lit/'s usual quality

>> No.5588446

>>5588397
The only real thing that differs suicide from normal death is the presence of the intend. If your intend of actions is killing oneself in any way throughout any timelapse then you commit a suicide, thus are a sinner.
Killing yourself by imbalanced yet non-starving diet is a pretty funny way of doing so though.

>> No.5588477

>>5588446
Yes, the thread can die now, I got the answer that I was looking for.

It all depends on your perspective rather than your action.

>>5588445
your reference was quite off topic and wasnt directed towards what i was asking for.

>>5588443
breathing in chemicals or CO2 with the intention of killing yourself is surely a suicide!

>> No.5588517

>>5588406
This

>> No.5588920

>>5588226
no

>> No.5588926
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>>5588296
>>5588226
samefig

>> No.5590828

bum

>> No.5590919

I think your death has to be in the intention.

>> No.5591008

>>5590919
Yeah. Bad eating habits for the sake of losing weight, or because of physical or mental illness but not with the intent of your death, aren't suicide. Just like getting into a fatal car accident isn't suicide even though your actions resulted in your death.