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Is philosophy still important? Why? Has science superseded philosophy?

>> No.5587023

Yes, arrowgirl, science has superseded philosophy.

Delete the thread.

>> No.5587032

>>5587023
>

>> No.5587044

>>5587023
typical buttmad continental doesn't have a retort.

pathetic.

>> No.5587052

>>5587013
Every human on earth has a philosophy. It's perpetually intriguing and surprising to me that so few people realise this and subsequently realise the importance of questioning it and studying the field.

>> No.5587061

>>5587013
Science has legitimized itself to be an independent method of gaining knowledge.
Philosophy as an authorial or systematic discipline is no more.

However, one should still study philosophy to better their ability to think, to increase their knowledge on the history of truth, of meaning, of culture.
It's also interesting, and, as long as one does not think the conclusions of certain philosophies are the universe's true workings, perfectly harmless.

>> No.5587073

>>5587013
Ethics committees.
Checkmate, scientists.

>> No.5587075

>>5587061
>he thinks knowledge is attainable
>he thinks truth exists

keking all the way to the bank

>> No.5587079
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5587079

He must be right because you know...science and stuff...

>> No.5587089

>>5587075
Scientific knowledge is attainable, narrative knowledge is not

truth exists
Truth doesn't exist

:-)

>> No.5587096

>>5587089
thanks for conceding. back to /sci/ you go.

>> No.5587101

>>5587052
this. i fucking hate humans so fucking much.

>> No.5587107

>>5587096
>/sci/

bbyy i'm invoking Heidegger and Lyotard's less retarded thought here I ain't no fedoratist

>> No.5587114

>>5587052
Let us say that we are discussing music theory and not simply music, so to speak

>> No.5587120

>>5587075
>he thinks truth exists
I am pretty convinced you have no slightest idea about the concept of truth or what it means for something to be true. Are you putting on a postmodernist contrarian show? If you do not navigate around the world on the assumption that it's spatiotemporally objective, you are clinically retarded. If you do, however, then your actions contradict with your belief about truth.

>> No.5587154

>>5587089
>Truth doesn't exist
Except that this is stupid as fuck. There is no clear-cut way of telling if it exists or not in virtue of our limited epistemic tools and methods.

>> No.5587176

>>5587154
Truth (capital T) meaning human purpose and meaning, the questions of metaphysics, morality, that is to say, God

>> No.5587182

>>5587176
Yes, and you should stay agnostic about all of it.

>> No.5587194

philosophy still matters and philosophical issues are everywhere around us... just open your eyes and minds and you'll see the same problems philosophy deals with since it's beginning!
ask for examples, i'll reply

>> No.5587196

>>5587013
what do you mean by "important"?

Nothing is really important m8.

>> No.5587202

>>5587196
>nuthin' is important were just a lil spec in da big universe xD

fuck off

>> No.5587210

>>5587202
I never said that.

>> No.5587213

>>5587210
you implied it you stupid fuck

hence the >

>> No.5587215

>>5587013
>Has science superseded philosophy?
>>5587052
>Every human on earth has a philosophy.

What the fuck ?! Seriously... I come on this board to crack jokes about Wittgenstein with my literate fellows, could underage autists who obviously don't have a clue what the word 'philosophy' mean just leave ?

>> No.5587219

>>5587079
>Wheelchair freak with a brain wired to google for answers thinks he knows anything about philosophy

>> No.5587226

>>5587213
I didn't.

Either way, why are you suffering if someone is giving no importance to whatever you give importance?

>> No.5587244

I just recently found out my constituency MP studied Classics at Uni
that's like philosophy right?
He's also a published history writer
one of the books on an Enlightenment philosphe which I intent to read

>> No.5587255

>>5587182
Nope, because I know all that is bullshit

>> No.5587263

>>5587061
>It's also interesting, and, as long as one does not think the conclusions of certain philosophies are the universe's true workings, perfectly harmless.

What books shall one begin

>> No.5587267

>>5587255
On what basis are you claiming this? Your "waterproof" gut-feeling?

>> No.5587273

>>5587215
Anon means some underlying interpretation of the world, similar to how for Heidegger we all always already have some understanding of what is Being in the background. You don't have to be so autistic.

>> No.5587287

>>5587267
Years and years of caring about it all and eventually realizing it is a waste and all arguments for God, against God, for meaning, for Truth, are words reflecting on themselves.

>> No.5587291

>>5587287
what you care about now?

>> No.5587305

>>5587291
Life, drinking, having sex with girls, reading, writing, music, art, sensual pleasures, enjoying myself

>> No.5587316

>>5587287
Your wasted years does not necessarily imply their non-existence. As I said, whether Truth exists or not is beyond our means of cognition... any other worldview besides the one of agnostic is irrational.

>> No.5587321

>>5587013
>has science superseded ethics and political philosophy
hilarious

>> No.5587330

>>5587316
>As I said, whether Truth exists or not is beyond our means of cognition
What would this Truth be for? Who would it serve? Where would it be held? If not for us, then what good is it? This thought is residue from rationalism and monotheism.

>any other worldview besides the one of agnostic is irrational.
Who is going to stop you and tell you you're wrong if you make conclusions? No one. It's all talk, there is no overseer

>> No.5587371

>>5587330
>What would this Truth be for? Who would it serve? Where would it be held? If not for us, then what good is it?
As I said, even if it exists, it's epistemically inaccessible. There is no way of getting at it.

>This thought is residue from rationalism and monotheism.
And?

>It's all talk
Some talks are more rational than others and that's also the point of it (philosophy) all: to make sense of how things hang together in the most rational way possible, even if it means coming to a conclusion that is ultimately unsatisfying (e.g. we cannot attain Truth, but that doesn't mean there is no such Truth).

>> No.5587417

Science is a tool that helps us understand and manipulate the universe.
Philosophy is the process by which we decide what we want to understand and manipulate.

Tools may be improved into better tools, but they will not replace the builder.

>> No.5587429

>>5587371
>As I said, even if it exists, it's epistemically inaccessible. There is no way of getting at it.
what's the point of thinking this? Don't you see that man is the measure of all things? Why do you fight so hard, so unreasonably, to secure this "Truth"? Are you that afraid to admit the emptiness you are securing?

>And?
Spooks, man. It's air.

Some models are more Rational than others but all models are within the System, and the System is a ghost. The most rational (lowercase r) conclusion is the absence of conclusion, including the absence of the nihilistic conclusion: life, the only thing there is which does not need grounding.

>> No.5587462

>>5587013
Philosophy always was masturbation for the small intelligensia among the upper class. The common man has nothing to gain by navel gazing.

>> No.5587500

>>5587462
Anybody asks you your reasons behind voting for so-and-so, just refer him to your parishioner eh

>> No.5587642

>>5587500
I don't think the uninformed masses have any business deciding the futures of nations. Not that they have any real power in those mattets anyway. Besides, it's not like the ruling body needs philosophy, it needs only a will and the means to make that will a reality.

>> No.5587696

>>5587061

every good scientist studies at least empirism. any philosopher studies math/logic and so does every scientist.

>> No.5589224

>>5587194
>you'll see the same problems philosophy deals with since it's beginning

one could say this is exactly the reason philosophy is no longer relevant, because it never actually solves anything.