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5565817 No.5565817 [Reply] [Original]

What do atheists get out of reading Kierkegaard?

>> No.5565828

Cisgendered Nordic slave to opposition. 3/10

would definitely bang

>> No.5565832

hopefully some humility

>> No.5565834

I get the ability to namedrop him to get chicks

>> No.5565835

>>5565817
Reading Kierkegaard led me to Camus, whose ideas I relate to much more. As an atheist, Absurdism can be kind of reassuring in a way.

>> No.5565839

I want to know more about him, especially since he was so highly regarded by Wittgenstein and Heidegger. Where is the best place to break into his work? Should I read The Bible first?

>> No.5565842

>>5565817

he taught me that I don't need evidence/logic to support a conclusion, I can just will it to be true via a leap of faith.

>> No.5565845

>>5565842
Why would you want to do that?

>> No.5565851

>>5565839
I'd pick up an anthology, or maybe Sickness Unto Death. It'll take you a bit to understand his style, but once you do you'll adore him as a poet.

>> No.5565855

>>5565842
>muh post-enlightenment empiricism
i'm sure you have a rock-solid epistemology backing that up

>> No.5565864

You can learn what not to do when confronted with Absurdity and move on to Camus.

Kierkegaard's journals are more interesting than anything he published, at least hes honest with himself in them.

>> No.5565871

>>5565864
>confronted with Absurdity
What does this mean?

>> No.5565875

>>5565842
Somebody read sisyphus recently I see

>> No.5566020

>>5565817
Nothing. Jacques Maritain is far better.

>> No.5566175

>>5565817
Kierkegaard's conception of faith isn't limited to a belief in god.

>> No.5566206

>>5565817
Look up his psychological concepts like ressentiment and leveling

>> No.5566225

>>5565855
>i'm sure you have a rock-solid epistemology backing that up

I don't need to "back things up" I just need to will them to be true via the leap of faith.

>> No.5566240

>>5565839
If you haven't read the bible yet, you need to.

>> No.5566245

>>5566206
I read the Wikipedia for leveling but it still doesn't make sense.

>Leveling is a social process in which the uniqueness of the individual is rendered non-existent by assigning equal value to all aspects of human endeavors, thus missing all the intricacies and subtle complexities of human identity.

>assigning equal value to all aspects of human endeavors

What is an example of this?

>> No.5566246

>>5566240
I actually have it out on my desk right now. I think I am going to start with the New Testament first.

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5566264

>>5566245

This pic basically.

>> No.5566268

>>5566245
Nihilism.

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5566305

>>5566264
So, endeavors are attempts to achieve a goal.

Using your example, here is a list of goals:
1) Attempt to graduate college.
2) Attempt to eat organic food.
3) Attempt to not do drugs.

With the uniqueness of the individual kept in mind, I can see why someone who has a heart condition should keep not doing cocaine at the top of their list of goals.

Still not understanding or seeing the significance of this.

>> No.5566309

>>5566305
He means accepting everything and not saying alternatives are preferable, because 'muh sour grapes' or because of guilt when you consider that you're wasting your life and you don't want to face how much of it you wasted, or because you're too much of a lazy faggot to deeply and passionately want and work for something.

>> No.5566837

>>5565817
teh lulz

>> No.5566927

>>5565817

There are two Kierkegaard's as far as I understand it:

The first is the 'existentialist' Kierkegaard that wou'd be later be re-appropriated by Camus and other existentialists like Jaspers.
This Kierkegaard is the most playfull and also highly ironic while also engaging in what he calls "leveling".In doing so, he dons multiple personas so he can ultimately show the limits of logic and dielectics as well as the contradiction of aestheticism/ moralism. ("Either/Or" and "Concluding Unscientific Postscript"). The main aim of this group of works is to reveal properly speaking the "Absurd" and what our reaction to it should be.


The second Kirkegaard is the "Knight of Faith", or to put it in a better way how faith can trump all the aforementioned contradiction by leading the subject into the biggest contradiction of all, namely belief in the Christian God.
This idea is most notably explored in "Fear and Trembling" and "Repetition" , these works are more ontologicaly rich philosophicaly speaking and not existentialist per-se and I don't really see the "psychological" aspect in these works apart from the utimate Leap of Faith.
Because all of Kierkegaard's ontology or anti-philosophy amounts to this final Leap , this Kierkegaard is enemy to all systems, theologies and moral philosophies. This alien Kierkegaard is the ultimate proponent of inwardness as expressed in Faith and becauseof this total focus on Faith he is a very hard philosopher to engage in a discoursive manner, leading many philosophers to ultimately wholly reject him as a thinker. (most notably Adorno and Levinas)

>> No.5566931

>>5566246

You don't really need to read teh Bible to understand Kierkegaard, he makes all his religious points fairly explicit,especially on the Book of Job .

From both a literary standpoint and a philosophical one the Bible and especialy the New Testament ,leaves much to be desired.

>> No.5567376

>>5566927
Can exists a connection between Stirner and Kierkegaard?

>> No.5567387

Fear and trembling is not theological at all, so I imagine quite a lot. The Abraham story is just an example of the absurd.

>> No.5567398

>>5567376
You can connect any two humans if you really feel like it.

>> No.5568181

A single person in this thread hasn't ever read Kierkegaard. I haven't read so much nonsense in a long time. Like someone even implying Camus equality to Kierkegaard's profoundness, let alone superiority.

Damn. You dumb niggers.

>> No.5568197

>>5568181
I have, and retards constantly saying F&T is a theological work really rustles me. Care to contribute, faggot?

>> No.5568228

>>5568197
Not the same anon but theologically he is denouncing the religious society as one without faith, that they become so wound up in rationality and ethics there's no room or need for faith.

>> No.5568281

>What do atheists get out of reading Kierkegaard?

that while kierkegaard was influential for pioneering existentialism, he was nonetheless a hack whose choice to take refuge in religion in order to provide meaning to his life is extremely manchild-ish and he ultimately was a depressed whiny loser who wanted to eat his cake and have it too

>> No.5568287

>>5568281
You should read Kierkegaard with me.

>> No.5568319

>>5568281
I bet you're much more intelligent than kierkegaard and your cultural upbringing has nothing to do with why your opinions differ.

>> No.5568331

>>5568281
>i have never read kierkegaard

>> No.5568345 [DELETED] 

>>5568281
>eat his cake and have it too

Not only did you fuck up this idiom, but it's just dumb. Whoever coined it and those who propagate it are retarded. No one buys cake to look at it or just possess it. The rest of your post is unsurprisingly idiotic, considering you are so dumb as to spew cultural catchphrases without examination.

>He pioneered his field.... nonetheless a hack

Go kiss a moving truck

>> No.5568346

>>5567376

Not really, while Kierkegaard emphasised inwardness as subjectivity he did not hold the Ego as the final arbitrator, in the end it is Faith as an irrational leap towards the acceptance of the trancedental, something Stirner would have regarded as a spook.

>>5567387
>>5568197

I don't understand how you can view Fear and Trembling as a work distinct from the concerns of christianity. The whole book discuses the book of Job in relation to the chritian faith.


>>5568181

>A single person in this thread hasn't ever read Kierkegaard. I haven't read so much nonsense in a long time. Like someone even implying Camus equality to Kierkegaard's profoundness


I don't think anybody inplied that.

>> No.5568415

I think Kierkegaard would argue that to truly believe in God you must first accept him to be a logical impossibility.

So if you're an atheist you might've rejected God on logical grounds, that doesn't really say anything about Kierkegaards philosophy.

Also his writing is beautiful.

>> No.5568440

>>5565817
good insight from someone who thinks differently from them. The thing everyone should strive for when choosing authors to read

>> No.5568448

>>5566245
Read this, it gives you a good idea what he means
http://cliffarnold.com/thepresentage.pdf

>> No.5568885

>>5568346
he discussed job in repetition m9

>> No.5568956

>>5565839
I would agree with >>5565851 in recommending the anthology of his work. If Christian, this will reinvigorate your faith. If not Christian or not religious, this will give you some insight into subjectivity and the absurdity of it. Interesting none-the-less but I feel like the religious, especially Christians, get more out of this.
S.K. is a very wise, thoughtful, intelligent, and effective communicator though, I just didn't enjoy his constant retreating into the safety of religion.

>> No.5568976

>>5568956
if you're a christian it will force you to recognize how difficult it is to be one