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5544535 No.5544535 [Reply] [Original]

He doesn't rape his sister you liars. I can't believe I read this book for nothing

>> No.5544540

>>5544535
but at least his sister was named phoebe? it's a cute name

>> No.5544580

>>5544535
Why do you think he got sent away to some pyschoanalysis place. It heavily hints that it takes place when he gets home from the zoo or wherever the merry go round was

>> No.5544661

The story was in Holden's narrative. Do you think he would explicitly state that he raped someone? He divulges his secrets in bits throughout the story; you must solve the puzzle to see it.

>> No.5544670

>if it isn't explicity stated it didn't happen

>> No.5544739
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>>5544540
And there you have it!

>> No.5544751

→these fucking namefags

>> No.5544759

>>5544535
Is the rape thing a sincere theory or just a mey mey?

I haven't read the book for years, so can't remember if it's hinted at or something

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What do you guys think of Mexican Holden Caulfield?

>> No.5544800

>>5544759
It happened when he first goes home and he is alone with his sister. I think it was only in the original got censored and changed for the other copies.

>> No.5547081 [DELETED] 

>>5544535
He did though. He is just being a phony.

>> No.5548444

>>5544661
This, OP cannot into subtext

>> No.5548456

>>5544759
It's a meme based on a sincere but extremely tenous interpretation, something on the level of /co/ shipping.

>> No.5550217
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>>5548456
It is less than tenuous. Claiming that it is the most important interpretive point of the novel is tenuous. Holden experiences sexuality as a system of rape because he's unable to abandon the rye-field of childhood and fall off the cliff, his stuck inability to concretise his desire and his wish for transcendental reality
("I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.") is far more important. But the sexuality being hidden is important to the extent that Holden's psycho-analytical resistance to admitting he raped Phoebe, and was raped, and as a child engaged in sex play against other children's will; his resistance to sexuality is part of his resistance to adult culpability. He ain't going home by christmas.

{{sniff}}

>> No.5550239

>>5550217
>>5548456
>>5544759
it's 100% meme and it's not even funny so I have no qualms about breaking the meme code to tell you

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5550248

>>5550239
>He thinks memes are meant to be funny.

>> No.5551751

I always thought there was something fishy (lel) about the way he obsesses about the girl.

>> No.5551770

>>5550239
>breaking the meme code

lol

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>I read this book today only because there was a documentary about J.D. Salinger on Netflix which I watched. What in the hell classifies this as a masterpiece???? It was nothing but boring drivel, about a pompous obnoxious spoiled little rich kid who hates school and everyone in his life but his little sister, his writer-brother and his dead brother. I kept reading to find anything interesting on the pages, it was just monotonous...Obviously, Salinger thought his IQ was too high for anyone else around him, yet, there was no plot, no suspense, no activity really, just his malingering thoughts about everything and everyone. It was a complete WASTE OF MY TIME!!! I wouldn't recommend this book to anyone, unless you want to be bored out of your mind....which I certainly was....
>Kelly Cyr
>Author of "Supreme Love: A Battered Woman's True Story"

>> No.5552207

>holden will never be your loving big bro

feels bad man

>> No.5552296

>I have

Read my diary

>> No.5552570

>>5552204
She's right.

>> No.5552608

>tfw only read this also because of incest undertones

>> No.5553174

>>5544761
se te chispoteo

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anyone spare me bond on rs3 so i can play 07? just made a fresh acc and skipped tut

>> No.5554752

>>5552204
>>5552570
>I don't know how to read a character novel!

>> No.5555190

I don't really know about this book so far. My teacher praised this book like God's gift to the literary world, and so far the only thing I can see done well is the perspective storytelling. And the perspective is only making me think the protagonist is an unlikeable cunt. I guess I'll see when I get farther, but I'm kinda apprehensive. Acquaintance of mine called it "really deep" and how he could "relate to Holden completely," but it seems like pseudo-intellectual whining that teenagers have hyped up. Just like Destiny, actually.
Justify my continued reading, /lit/.

>> No.5555205

>>5555190
two different types of people. I am the the type of person that can relate to hold completely. I felt like the whole book was a diary of my life which is why I praise it.

>> No.5555238

>>5555205
I suppose that might be the issue. Holden seems too unreliable a narrator from the get-go with how strangely focused his descriptions of people are, and Salinger did a good job in conveying how his character is meant to feel from the first chapter. My issue is how uncomfortable it makes me feel, because he makes Holden so insufferable a personality that I can barely stomach it. I suppose it's a testament to his writing to illicit that sort of a response, but I don't want to go through the book with this saccharine hate I feel. It seems unfair to it, somehow.

>> No.5555281

>>5555238
>>5555190
The reaction to holden is highly classed. Workers can generally see though his attempt to deceive his psychiatrist relatively easily.

Nobody can tell a cunt like a worker.

>> No.5555285

>>5544751
underrated post

>> No.5555300

>>5555281
Hrm, certainly right. Not about the worker thing, necessarily, as I'm lazy as a sloth with constipation, but about the class thing. Different generations seem to have a generally different outlook on the book, and that might be worth looking into. Every boomer swearing his life by the damn thing, just like the scores of millennials who thought Ayn Rand was anything but a gutter trash hack of a philosopher.

>> No.5555308

>>5550248

w-what ?

>> No.5555320

>>5552204
She wouldn't have said that if Holden was black.

>> No.5555328

>>5555281
I disagree with that.

t. worker

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>>5555320

hehe