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The nobel prize is mine!

>> No.5543586

Coelho will win the Nobel before Murakami does.

>> No.5543601

I hope it's someone no one was expecting, but who still deserves it.

>> No.5543627
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5543627

If he were a woman or a minority he would've won years ago.

>> No.5543633 [DELETED] 

Threadly Reminder that the Nobel Prize will always be a joke until Borges wins.

>> No.5543653

>>5543601
Like who?

>> No.5543662

>>5543633
I think you mean until DFW wins.
:^):^)

>> No.5543664

>>5543653
I don't know, otherwise it'd be someone I expect.

>> No.5543669 [DELETED] 

>>5543653
>>5543664
The Spanish Inquisition.

>> No.5543673

How are Alexievich's odds so high again when it was proven that her appearance in the lists last year was the result of manipulation by some journalist?

>> No.5544131 [DELETED] 

>inb4 Pynchon fuccbois

>> No.5544144
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5544144

>yfw they give it to some Swede no one has ever heard of

>> No.5544158

>>5544144
THey haven't done that in ages (and if you think no one had heard of Transtromer then you're a moron)

>> No.5544163 [DELETED] 

>>5544158
REKT
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>> No.5544167
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5544167

The nobel prize is mine!

>> No.5544171

>>5543673
>How are Alexievich's odds so high again when it was proven that her appearance in the lists last year was the result of manipulation by some journalist?

Because the people who make these lists and create these odds don't know dick-shit about literature. Ladbrokes is a betting house; they probably have an employee who's read a book this past year.

Get it?

Murakami isn't in the running for a Nobel. They're taking odds on him at a betting house because said betting house is ignorant of how the Nobel Prizes work.

>> No.5544175

>>5544158
No one in any country that matters had heard of him

>> No.5544178

Pynchon will win

>> No.5544189

>>5544175
Esteemed American literary critic Harold Bloom included him in his Western Canon nearly 20 years before he had won the award

>> No.5544192 [DELETED] 

>>5544178
>implying

Fite me irl, faggot

>> No.5544194

>>5544144
But seriously, I think they've specifically avoided doing this since the harsh criticism they received for what happened in 1974

>> No.5544232

>>5544194

Didn't the guy kill himself as a result of said harsh criticism?

>> No.5544266

>>5543571
he has very small eyes
in japanese anime symbolic the smaller the eyes the less sincere the soul of their owner

>> No.5544288

Mo Yan > Murakami

>> No.5544556

>>5543571
I would like that. I loved most of his works.

>> No.5544577

>>5544288
They aren't even from the same fucking country you pieoce of shite

>> No.5545116

>>5543653
Murnane

>> No.5545135

>>5544232
Wikipedia says yes. Guess that's what happens when you can't handle how butthurt everyone gets when you give yourself first place.

>> No.5545198

>>5545135
>1978
>committing sudoku with a pair of scissors
shiggy diggy

>> No.5545212

>visit several used book stores
>can find used books by all the other nobel hopefuls
>never find any murakami

This means his books are so good people never sell them.

>> No.5545250

it's gonna be some african tho

>> No.5545264

I love his work. Ive just read Colorless Tsukuru and Norweigan Wood.. now getting into After Dark. I love how he makes seemingly simple lives become so interesting

>> No.5545357

>>5544266
Cool story. Tell it again plz.

>> No.5545852 [DELETED] 

>>5543627
>if he were a Minority
Take a look at OPs picture again

>> No.5545870

Haruki Murakami is not going to win the Nobel Prize.

He is not ever going to win the Nobel Prize.

No matter how many years he's mentioned as a front runner because lots of people in the US and UK have heard of him, he still will never win the prize.

>> No.5545906

>>5545870
I agree. His work is too repetitive, too "Westernized", too unpolitical (i.e., not left enough) to have the current committee give him the price.

>> No.5545929

>>5545906
if he was an african woman though...

>> No.5545935 [DELETED] 

>>5545250
>being this pleb

>> No.5545964

>>5545929
It's probably something completely unpredictable (as with Yan, or Jelinek), like some obscure Norwegian socialist woodcutter no-one's ever heard of.

>> No.5545968

>>5545906
He's also just not a good enough writer, fundamentally.

Although how much that matters to the committee is hard to say.

>> No.5546075

>>5545964
>Norwegian socialist woodcutter
>Norwegian woodcutter
>Norwegian Wood

Murakami confirmed for winning this year

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5546114

>Black
>Writes novels on toilet paper
>Spent time in jail
>Rebelled against the government

Marakuma hasn't a chance

>> No.5546221

he should have won back when his books were actually interesting and he wasn't rehashing the same stories and themes for 20 plus years

>> No.5546259
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5546259

pls

PLEASE

>> No.5546262

>>5544178
I want to believe. But I doubt it at this point, he should have gotten it for GR(which he kind of did). I dont know if Inherent Vice and Bleeding Edge are the kind of books that win you Nobels.

Also, Sebald should have won at some point.

>> No.5546312

>>5546262
>he should have gotten it for GR(which he kind of did)
which he kind of did

Huh?

>> No.5546330

>>5546312
I think that poster meant that Pynch sorta-win the Pulitzer for fiction, not the Nobel.

but that poster is also correct that Sebald should have won so maybe he means something else

>> No.5546331

>>5546312
I think he's confusing it with the Pulitzer which was famously denied to him after the jury voted for him.

>> No.5546431

>>5546331
>>5546330
Oh shit Im an idiot. I was mixing up my awards there.
>>5546330
Did you read him in English? Just asking out of curiosity.

>> No.5546440

>>5545212
or so bad the bookstore refuses to sell them

>> No.5546442

>>5546431
yeah, I read The Emigrants in translation to English (not sure whose translation if there's more than one, I'd have to look it up)

>> No.5546447

>>5543571
If he didn't win it last year, he won't win it this year.

That being said, I cannot for the life of me think of any good contenders for this year. John Ashbery perhaps?

>> No.5546452

>>5546447
if totalitarianism in tundra was good... :3

>> No.5546459

>>5546452
If anon kun wins, what do?

>> No.5546461

>>5546452
I don't often post this but this will be an exception: stop posting your cancer.

>> No.5546465

What are the criteria for winning?

>> No.5546470

Fun story:

This year some people say that Ngugi wa Thiong'o is going to win the Nobel Prize (for example, The Guardian) because so many betting agencies list him, but it was just because last year, a Swedish journalist bet 200 bucks on him as a joke. From there it snowballed.

Here's Google Translate:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fkultur-noje%2Fdet-blir-ngugi-wa-thiongo-ska-vi-sla-vad%2F

>> No.5546477

>>5546459
tfw anons have even less rights than muslim women, they cannot even get the nobel prize

>>5546470

>so many betting agencies list him
because
>a Swedish journalist bet 200 bucks on him as a joke

sounds as a good way to get more popular (regardless of the chances to get the prize) :3

>> No.5546522

Murakami is an average-to-good writer, but nothing else, and he's so full of flaws that I couldn't even finish Norwegian Wood. The Nobel Prize isn't serious, though, so he might actually win it.

>> No.5546561

Pynchon on 25/1

He will win, r-r-right?

>> No.5546578

>>5546477
fuck off

>> No.5546592

>>5546461
95% of posts on this board are cancer, kitty at least has a 5%+ ratio of decent posts.

>> No.5546600

>>5546592
>shitty tripfag defending another shitty tripfag
oh what a night

>> No.5546602

>>5546592
fuck off, you're the cancer

>> No.5546609

>>5546522

Pretty much this.

I wouldn't mind either of them winning.

>> No.5546616

>>5545357
he has very small eyes
in japanese anime symbolic the smaller the eyes the less sincere the soul of their owner

>> No.5546762

>>5546616
That's racist. Why are the Japanese so racist against themselves? They even get surgery done to make their eyes look bigger.

>> No.5546764

>>5543571
This pretty much proves that literature is dead.

>> No.5546774

>>5546616
>>5546762

Making generalizations about a culture based on media made for pasty shut-ins, great

Up next: Everything there is to know about America from PyCon 2014

>> No.5546776

>>5543627
How on earth can someone be lesser than what they already are and yet still have a better chance at winning the prize?

It astounds me.

>> No.5546779

>>5546776
Günther Grass already won, and the Nobel Prize people didn't want to give the prize to someone with nearly the same name

>> No.5546782

>>5546774
Nearly all of their celebrities do exactly what I just described, Anon.

>> No.5546786

>>5546259
He's gay too so he might actually have a chance.

>> No.5546787

>>5546331
>>5546431
>>5546330
>>5546312
>>5546262


Well, let us be honest.

The Pulitzer is more noble and honorary than the shit tier Nobel Prize.
Hell, being in Oprah's Book club is more of an honor than winning this shit award.

If Murakami does win, they should turn the award into a satire of itself, oh wait, it already is.

>> No.5546788

Top lel.

Does anyone remember /lit/s last nobel prize omg-Murakami-is-gonna-win circle-jerk?

Once again, the prize, like every other literary award, will go to an author outside of the 100 or so authors in /lit/s collective knowledge. The prize will be announced. /lit/ will make one thread saying, 'huh, who is she?', then return to talking about their 100 authors and she will never be mentioned again.

>> No.5546797

>>5546787
>The Pulitzer is more noble and honorary than the shit tier Nobel Prize.

Albee was denied the Pulitzer because "Virginia Woolf" had too many curse words. They gave it to him the next year for a real turd of a play ("Seascape").

The more you know.

>> No.5546798

>>5546797
And he was shit, too.

>> No.5546799

>>5546797
Same for Gravity's Rainbow from pinecones:

>Although selected by the Pulitzer Prize jury on fiction for the 1974 Pulitzer Prize for Fiction, a single passage involving coprophilia offended the other members of the Pulitzer board, who rejected the selection. No Pulitzer Prize was awarded for fiction that year.

>> No.5546803

>>5546788
We all knew who Alice Munro was before she won at the very least.

>> No.5546807

>>5546803
Who?

>> No.5546808

>>5546807
The person who won the last Nobel Prize in Literature.

>> No.5546811

Honestly, the Nobel Prize does occasionally propel certain authors who are well-known in their own countries to international fame, such as recent winners Le Clezio, Herta Muller, Mo Yan, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

>> No.5546816

>>5546808
A writer one the Nobel Peace Prize?

I thought Obama got it.

>> No.5546818

come on phillip roth lad, shoulda won it 4 sabbahts

>> No.5546822

>>5546818
As much as I enjoy him, I don't htink it's going to happen any time soon.

>> No.5546826

>>5546803
>We all knew who Alice Munro was
I sincerely doubt that. However, how many of these authors are discussed amongst the DFW, Murakami, Celine, Pynchon and Nabokov threads?

Jean-Marie Gustave Le Clézio - Nobel 2008
Herta Müller - Nobel 2009
Tomas Tranströmer - Nobel 2011
Mo Yan - Nobel 2012 (actually, Mo Yan did get a handful of threads for a week or two after he won)

These are the authors in the current Man Booker shortlist. How many of them are discussed here?
Joshua Ferris,
Richard Flanagan,
Karen Joy Fowler,
Howard Jacobson,
Neel Mukherjee
Ali Smith

/lit/ knows fuck all about contemporary literature. there are about 25 central /lit/-core authors, another 80 on the fringe, and nothing exists external to that.

>> No.5546827

>>5546818
>phillip roth
Oy vey. Roth should win for that one book he wrote about a Jewish family in Newark.

>> No.5546833

>>5546788
>/lit/ will make one thread saying, 'huh, who is she?', then return to talking about their 100 authors and she will never be mentioned again.

Worse than the "who?" threads are the responses to them, where a bunch of smug morons pretend to be more worldly and cultured than they actually are by spraying ugly snark across the board like, "If you don't know Zikudjiok Mog'banquierjern you simply don't know literature. What a disgrace. Why are you even here?"

While it's true /lit/ is fairly repetitive in its themes and topics, it's nasty as all get-out each year when you guys stink up the board with this "ugh, a pleb was ignorant around me". The worst year for this was Tranströmer's win, because--I'm not saying Tomas Tranströmer isn't a good poet or that he doesn't deserve recognition--but the guy writes poetry in Swedish, and poetry cannot be translated. It only stands to reason most people can't be bothered with the guy.

That didn't stop a few tinkertwats from commenting that "Tranströmer's been available in English for at least an eon, pleb!" Great, so someone changed around all the syllables of someone's poetry to make them completely different syllables in another language. Just as good, right? Right?

>inb4 learn Swedish
Reading one poet's supposedly good work doesn't merit the learning of an entire language, and I've learned three so far.

>> No.5546834

>Contemporary living authors that /lit/ knows:
Hackuri Murakami
Will Self
Tao Lin
Chuck Palahniuk
Laurie Penny
China Mieville
Don Delillo
Thomas Pynchon

>> No.5546837

>>5546834
It would be awesome if Will Self won, though probably not for another ten years, if ever (I doubt ever, personally).

>> No.5546840

>>5546827
C'mon dude, there's nothing wrong with writing what you know.

>> No.5546842

>>5546827
u only read portnoy u pleb

>> No.5546844

>>5546834
Franzen

>> No.5546845

>>5546833
Look at that Man Booker list. With the exception of Flanagan, they are all British or American. Now look at every Pulitzer or Man Booker or Nobel or any other literary shortlist for the past 5 years and see how many times the authors have been mentioned here.

>> No.5546846

>>5546845
Psst. Yan Martel has a Booker Prize.

It's not a prestigious award. It's not even a notable award.

>> No.5546849

>>5546842
>u only read portnoy u pleb

huh? Portnoy's Complaint, American Pastoral, The Plot against America, I married a communist, The Human Stain . . . Every Roth book is about a Jewish family in Newark.

>> No.5546851

>>5546826
Alice Munro is extremely famous in contemporary English-language literature literature. You can find numerous references to and recommendations of her in the /lit/ archives from before she won the prize. I don't think it matters that we don't have like 50 threads about a given obscure middlebrow contemporary author such as that fruitcake Joshua Ferris every week the way we do with, e.g., Pynchon.

>> No.5546858

>>5546849
Operation Shylock is not.

>> No.5546864

/lit/ already discusses some of the best obscure contemporary literary writing like at leats once a month anyway

>> No.5546866

>>5546851
>I don't think it matters that we don't have like 50 threads about a given obscure middlebrow contemporary author such as that fruitcake Joshua Ferris every week the way we do with, e.g., Pynchon.

It doesn't matter, that /lit/ doesn't pay more lip service to mediocre talents who win an award just because it's a slow year and they have to give it to someone.

>> No.5546870

>>5546849
read sabbath then, it's better than all of them

>> No.5546882

>>5546864
Seems like i always miss those threads.

>> No.5546900

>>5546864
You're talking about Tao lin and that shitty Tundra book aren't you?

>> No.5546948

>>5546882
you probably do

>>5546900
Not even close.

>> No.5547031

>>5546470
Thiong'o has been a perennial betting favourite since I started following the prize four or five years ago, though.

>> No.5547038

>>5546826
Ferris, Jacobson and Smith are utter wank. I'm proud of /lit/ for ignoring them.

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YOUR SOUL IS MINE

>> No.5547106

>>5546826
There was a lot of critisizm for Herta Muller winning the prize because she was unknown both outside and even within her own home country, so there's not much of a point trying to blame lit on not knowing her when no one else did.

>> No.5547124

>>5547106
she's actually one of the better recent winners as well

>> No.5547128

>>5547124
Yeah, her and Mo Yan are two recent winners I really agree upon. I wonder how much of a chance László Krasznahorkai has for winning the prize. I feel like he would be a good fit.

>> No.5547137

>>5547128
Either him or Nadas will surely win it within the next few years. I hope it will be him who gets the nod, he's probably my favourite living writer.

>> No.5547139

>>5547124
She's OK but I think all of the recent winners were just as deserving

>> No.5547147

>>5547137
There are a lot of contemporary Hungarian writers, I wonder what makes Krasznahorkai so famous outside of the films based on his work. Is he really the best, or are there equally great Hungarian writers we dont' know about?

>> No.5547170

>>5546827
Nah, he should get it for that one he wrote about the ageing male author.

>> No.5547174

>>5547147
e.g. Esterhazy, Konrad, Juhasz, Nagy, Spiro, all seem rather famous in Hungary, but Krasznahorkai has international fame because of the films of Bela Tarr, one of the greatest filmmakers of recent times

>> No.5547200

>>5547174
I've only read Esterhazy and Nadas and neither of them impressed me as much as Krasznahorkai.

I'm not really a film guy so I much preferred the experience of reading Krasznahorkai than watching Tarr's adaptations. The Melancholy of Resistance and Seiobo There Below in particular struck me as masterpieces.

>> No.5547291

it will go to someone like noviolet bulawayo

>> No.5547295

>>5547291
actually scrap that, it will be the wizard of the crow guy i bet u lit

>> No.5547306

>>5547295
It's definitely likely as they haven't had a real black African winner in a while.

>> No.5547312

>>5547306

wole soyinka was the only one
mahfouz is arab so he doesn't count, and people like coetzee don't count as african

>> No.5547608

/lit/ is most english speaking, only-read-modern-books-that-are-in-english-or-eurocentric or classics.

Mo Yan is a really good writer, Big Breasts and Wide Hips, Sandalwood Death, Red Sorghum. Those 3 books are great.

I hope László Krasznahorkai wins it one day.

Murakami is pleb tier read and forget. He writers the same shit over and over. If you want to read some good modern japanese lit, read Oe Kenzaburo instead.

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>>5543571
I think you mean mine

>> No.5547779

>>5547767
It would be fun.

>> No.5547788

>>5544577
Therefore, they cannot be compared!!!1!1!!!1!

>> No.5547838

>>5547608
I thought Mo Yan's "The Republic of Wine" is absolutely fantastic. Does it work in English though? I feel like the style does not translate well.
"Life and Death are Wearing Me Out" is another masterpiece. I liked it that he managed to squeeze in 50 years of Chinese history into mere 500 pages. And changes of the narrator were surprisingly well balanced. This book is very different from his more recognized works (that you mention) and it seems to lack Mo Yan's usual vigor, but I think it's still great.

>> No.5547854

>>5547838
>I liked it that he managed to squeeze in 50 years of Chinese history into mere 500 pages.
you can make it into a single word, something like 'suffering'

>> No.5547883

Why do they hand out a Nobel for writing fiction?
>my make-believe is better than your make-believe!

>> No.5547893

>>5547883
non fiction isn't even lit

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>>5547883

>> No.5547905

>>5547893
>>5547902
Great job answering the question.

>> No.5547919

>>5546075
Dat unconscious

>> No.5547932

>>5546834
Philip Roth

>> No.5547935

>>5546849
>That
>Bad
what

>> No.5547988

>>5547905
It was never my intent to answer your question, m8. The subject of the thread is who the winner of the lit prize will be, not explaining the relevance of litterary fiction. There is no reason to answer to an obvious attempt at derailing.

>> No.5548014

>>5547883
>>5547905

Do you value anything at all or is everything equally as pointless? You have no preferences to any kind of art or music and wouldn't rate anything higher than another?

>> No.5548137

>>5548014
Of course I do, but that doesn't answer the question "why should we hand this guy/gal several hundred thousand dollars", since you have no objective criteria with which to separate "bad" literature from the "good" and that goes for overpaid English majors as well.

>> No.5548182

>>5548137
Its subjective criteria. You can categorize good and bad literature by what people find enjoyable to read and what they don't.

You just admitted you rate some art higher than others and if you were the one giving the prize you would pick which one you rated highest.

>> No.5548207

>>5547883
scratching some strings tied to a piece of wood?

good one mozart, now fuck off

>> No.5548232

>>5548182
>You just admitted you rate some art higher than others and if you were the one giving the prize you would pick which one you rated highest.
Wrong, because I wouldn't try to universalize my opinions in the first place.

>> No.5548237

>>5548137
>"why should we hand this guy/gal several hundred thousand dollars", since you have no objective criteria with which to separate "bad" literature from the "good"

Please, please try to drop the need for objectivity with aesthetics or morality. We don't need it. We have very rigid structures and frameworks in place, and we don't require something external as fixed marker. Every single person in our community, local and extended, makes up a body of people with many views and opinions, and together, with more formal models, empirical models, and some more abstract ontological and metaphysical models, these constitute an inter-subjective framework. That is all we have, and it's all we need. There are billions of models within this framework, the whole thing is a giant interwoven semantic web.

The crucial thing it does is allows us to say that Vladamir Nabokov's Lolita IS a better work of literature than E.L James' 50 Shades of Grey. "Is" being, of course, within our framework, and not in some external objectivity realm. You do not need objectivity, it really is something to let go of.

>> No.5548243

>>5548232
If you have ever mentioned what kind of things you are interested in that would count as universalizing your opinions. And why would that be a point why others shouldn't?

>> No.5548449

>>5548237
>We have very rigid structures and frameworks in place
We don't.

>> No.5548609 [DELETED] 

>yfw I win again

TOO BAD IM FUCKING DEAD

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>yfw I win again

TOO BAD IM FUCKING DEAD

>> No.5548637

nobel prize for lit is the social justice prize of lit

>> No.5548682

>>5548449
>We don't.
What makes you think that, anon? Everything exists within these structures. The construct of a bottle of water, for example, is a very rigid structure. The associated frameworks are rigid too; the marketing model the water company uses; the color spectrum used in the graphic design of the packaging, the chemical composition of water...

Aesthetics and Morality are the same: Abortion or murder or theft - rigid structures.

>> No.5549114

>>5547838

I have those 2 books, plus garlic ballads and pow! Ive already read the other 3 i mentioned. I think he translates well into english. The translator is pretty reknown.You read mo yan, and after a few sentences you know its him, he has a very distinct style. He should be read more.b