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I come from a computer science background, but I am very interested in philosophy. I love reading about Nietzsche's ideas, on Wikipedia and other places, for example, but I find it very hard to read actual Nietzsche. I just prefer simple declarative sentences, rather than the poetic or otherwise elaborite styles he sometimes uses... any suggestions for a person like me? I generally don't like reading stuff that is written in an "older" style, it just does not capture my attention in the same way. Any more modern philosophers who might be easier to read? Is it enough to just read summaries of what philosophers said? Thank you

>> No.5534257

read Nietzsche

>> No.5534311

>>5534017
Read Nietzsche's essay-style writings. Then read his aphoristic work. Then read Zarathustra (and not the shitty translation).

>> No.5534312

>comp sci
>Thinks he can read Nietzsche without first reading Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, and Montaigne.
>2014
>not reading Foucault

>> No.5534319

>>5534311
Lernen Sie Deutsche, neufag.

>> No.5534320

Start with Dialogues of Platon

>> No.5534331

>>5534319
Ich will eines Tages, Nietzsche auf Deutsch zu lesen. Aber jetzt ist mein Deutsch nicht so gut.

>> No.5534333

>Any more modern philosophers who might be easier to read?

Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are the best contemporary philosophers. Thanks to their STEM background their style is more concise and they use logic instead of antiquated prose.

>> No.5534338

>>5534017
>I generally don't like reading stuff that is written in an "older" style

are you a german speaker? Because that shouldnt be an issue if you have a modern translation.

>> No.5534340

>>5534319
Nimm dir deinen eigenen Ratschlag zu Herzen, Schwuchtel.

>> No.5534344

>>5534333
When did they become philosophers? You mean their atheistic circle jerk that has spent years talking about something they don't believe in?

>> No.5534352

>>5534344
How are they not philosophers? They rationally justify a set of metaphysical, ethical and epistemological hypotheses.

>> No.5534354

>>5534333
lolllll

>> No.5534371

>>5534017
Chomsky is great for a modern philosopher but I'm not sure if you'd find him easy to read. It really depends on the person.

>> No.5534377

>>5534312
>Foucault
If you want someone to retroactively help you understand Nietzsche - Heidegger, Derrida and Deleuze will do a better job than Foucault. I have nothing against Foucault, but he wasn't really that close to full-blown philosophy even if he was somewhat of a Nietzschean.

>>5534017
First read at least a summary on Plato and Kant. These two are arguably most important characters not just in Nietzsche's works but also in history of Western philosophy. Go to "Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy", it is relatively a good online resource, much better than Wikipedia at least. Another good resource is "Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy".
After that: I suggest you start with Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil, along with some companion to that work. libgen.net has plenty to choose from. Once you make your entry into Nietzsche everything will be going much smoother when you read his other books.

>> No.5534899

>>5534331
Ich kenne das Gefühl, bru

>> No.5534920

Itt: continental plebs

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5535772

>>5534340

יש לי נכשל

>> No.5535806

>>5534017
>I just prefer simple declarative sentences, rather than the poetic or otherwise elaborite styles he sometimes uses... any suggestions for a person like me?
MAX STIRNER
He is the prose version of Nietzsce. Unless you read Zarathustra, in which case read the Genealogy of Morals, which is the prose version of that.

Or read secondary literature on Nietzsche.

>> No.5535812

>>5534377
>If you want someone to retroactively help you understand Nietzsche - Heidegger, Derrida and Deleuze will do a better job than Foucault.

Ignore this degenerate filth. French theory WILL NOT help you understand Nietzsche, and Heidegger will do so even less. French theory raise a minimum of valid points so diluted with Bildungsporn that it's almost homeopathic.