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5485679 No.5485679 [Reply] [Original]

If /lit/ were to put together a collaborative project between its most esteemed writers -- critique thread standouts, tripfags, Kolsti and Gomorrah Man -- how would that turn out? Like Legacy of Totalitarianism in a Tundra except as a republic rather than an anarchy. Who would you like to see involved? How would we go about contacting the desired contributors?

>> No.5485742

Critique thread standout reporting in, it would require a lot of work. Putting a system in place over the internet where upon everyone agrees on a specific goal for a collaborative creative endeavour sounds alright in theory but is near-impossible to pull off. The reason Legacy of Totalitarianism in a Tundra worked so well (in an operative sense) was because it was absolute chaos and there were no real requirements of anyone, other than to write and to edit until drafts became readable. I was also one of the pioneers of the /lit/erary movement threads a few months back wherein we discussed a prospect such as this, but the thing about our resident best writers is we all have our own projects, interests, life commentary... in the original threads we could barely establish a common ground for anything, other than that it would deal with the keeping alive of childhood dreams as the one true cure for boredom, it would have to be postmodern, and it would have to be some sort of greentext/internet-based multiple perspectives of consciousness flowing into each other (the intention of which that it would be difficult to distinguish the real from the surreal).

Don't get me wrong, LoTiaT was a great step, but what some of us discussed a few months back felt like it could have been a worthy conclusion and/or kick starter of some online literary movement - the definitive novel of the technological, merged informatics age - it would just be really fucking hard to pull off.

I don't doubt we have the talent and drive required - we just need a firm sense of direction and mutually established agreement. Problem is, the bigger the cast of writers, the harder it will be to settle on something.

>> No.5485894

>>5485679
>organising 4chan
stop

>> No.5485900

>i'm gonna start a new thread so i can just ignore all the criticism in the old one

It would be ojectively shit. Shut the fuck up about this.

>> No.5485903

>>5485742
Instead of a topic why don't we just settle on a unifying idea.

>> No.5485914

>>5485742
I could do with something like this, along as if people take it with a dose of irony and humor like /mu/ pseudo-movements. If there's one thing I can't stand is idiots who lose themselves at the prospect of being part of some project.

I realize there have been discussions about this already, but I feel TLoTiaT was something entirely different. Should we go on with the old ideas or use the book as a manifesto of sorts?

>> No.5485924

>>5485903

Well, from what I can remember, the main thematic contenders were boredom being the banality of life versus how to beat it; the idea that storytelling can be distorted through technological means to give a stream-of-consciousness, multi-perspective, realistic/surrealistic experience. (As I mentioned in my previous post.) I think those two blanket phrases were enough to encompass anything our talented /lit/ writer roster would have their minds entertained by. (Well, that and new sincerity vs irony but that's a whole other can of worms.)

>> No.5485936

>>5485679
Man, Kevin Love gets 36 MPG. That's almost as good as a first gen Prius.

>> No.5485937

>>5485924
The nature of sincerity is at the heart of basically every work of art in human history.

>> No.5485947

>>5485914

I like the idea of using it as some sort of humorous ironic manifesto with its main philosophical question being 'how to deal with storytelling/living in this new age of technology' and it would be different perspectives/styles of writing/etc etc..

The ideas established previously gained a big following in a short time back in the day though, but in retrospect they are way too /lit/ to ever actually sustain interest (see: David Foster Wallace and forced new sincerity).

>> No.5485948

>>5485679
>critique thread standouts, tripfags, Kolsti and Gomorrah Man
>esteemed writers

kill yourself

>> No.5485956

>>5485937

Yes, hence the expression 'blanket terms' the subtext of which contains gels such as 'overdone abstractions' and 'boring' and 'not progressive enough for anyone to bother collaborating over'.

>> No.5485968

>>5485742
Ugh god, I think I've seen your crit. Every time I mean to tell you you're hurting more than helping to give the impression there's merit to your work to people too ignorant to tell. Guess I'll tell you here.

>> No.5485971

Let's just settle on an idea and then try to get in contact with as many people as possible. Storytelling in the imageboard era with a sincerity angle seems good. Kolsti has a tumblr, Tallis and Butterfly have tripcodes and will probably drop in when mentioned enough, and Gomorrah Man has an email somewhere. Who else?

>> No.5486008

>>5485971
>Tallis and Butterfly
what

>> No.5486015

>>5486008
Tallis made those Nicki Minaj ass sonnets. Butterfly is probably the most known trip so I guess she at least has to get an invite if we're doing a /lit/ presents.

>> No.5486024

>>5486015
But the butterfly trip isn't butterfly. It's just someone who wishes they were qt and loved like butterfly.

>> No.5486025

>>5486015
I didn't even know Butterfly was a writer.

>> No.5486028

>>5486015
Butterfly is not a trip. The faggot using the butterfly symbol with a tripcode is not the real butterfly. She left /lit/ and killed herself some weeks ago.

>> No.5486030

>>5486028
;_; why did she have to die? my life means nothing now

>> No.5486033
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5486033

>>5485971
Wait, so I can't send anything because I'm not part of the steemed group that includes someone who always say she doesn't care about fiction like butterfly? You're also gonna give preference to the IRC regulars?

>> No.5486034

>>5485971
We need a way for everyone involved to contact each other.

>> No.5486035

>>5486033
give me an archive link to something you've put in critique threads.

>> No.5486038

>>5486035
Not even him, but no u

>> No.5486040

>>5486035
I'm simply a wannabe organizer.

>> No.5486041

I've been praised a few times in the critique threads. I'm juggling multiple projects at the moment, but I guess I could stick my dick in one more.

>> No.5486045

>>5486035
I don't want to prove myself worthy of some stuff, this ricks of elitism and as such you should take it to the places where names amtter like the irc channel everyone hates.
English is my second language so I don't post stuff in rec threads, it would be pretty useless besides plot critic [kek].

>> No.5486047

>>5486041
archive link to something you've done?

>> No.5486053

>>5486047
Why not tag on your own archive link every time you ask this of someone else?

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5486057

What's the difference between this and all the zines that have been done in the past?

>> No.5486067

>>5486047
You mean in the 4chan archive? Hold on...

>> No.5486068

>>5486053
I don't post in critique threads.

>> No.5486076

>>5486057
Remember this one? I wish the links were still up
http://zinewritersguild.wikia.com/wiki//lit/%27s_Zine_Writers_Guild_Wiki

>> No.5486078

>>5486057
This isn't some vaguely connected collection. This is a unified collaborative projects. Also, we're shooting for the relatively major writers.

>> No.5486080

>>5486068
Anything to demonstrate your merit would do, not just critique. Though if you think you can assess critiques while not critiquing or otherwise contributing, I'd advise you to just accept people with the same standard of proven aptitude as you, i.e. none.

>> No.5486089

Just put together a collected works.

>> No.5486092

>>5486080
>your merit
Are you for real?
You want to do something in /lit/ based on merit? Why?
I wish you luck, though. Both with getting the ball rolling and with people not thinking that it's just a circlejerk.

>> No.5486094

Can someone remind me where /lit/ is archived?

>> No.5486100

>>5486092
Dude, I'm saying the guy asking for proof from people they've posted cool enough critiques should hold himself to the same standard. I'm not participating in this shit except to demonstrate that his unwillingness to hold himself to standards he sets for others to join his super special club is a very big warning sign he just wants a circle jerk at best.

>> No.5486102

>>5486094
warosu.org/lit/

>> No.5486116

>>5486100
Oh, the talk became a bit confusing to follow I guess.
My opinion pretty much stands only that not related to your post.

>> No.5486119

The whole judging someone's merit based on subjective opinion is a bit unnecessary right now considering we haven't settled on something to write about or made an IRC channel or something alone those lines to discuss this on.

>> No.5486126

And if someone insists on links to people's works REPEATEDLY without posting any if his own... ignore him, he's clearly not the type of person we want onboard.

>> No.5486127

>>5486119
Why do you bring ideas to /lit/ if you're gonna take them away from it? What's the point?
Everyone hates irc circlejerk except the five guys in there.

>> No.5486129

>>5486094
You can find it at warosu dot org slash lit

>> No.5486131

>>5486119
I thought we've settled on tech era storytelling with sincerity. Let's invite the confirmed writers (Kolsti, Gomorrah Man, Tallis) and work on a list of who else to invite.
>>5486126
This. The project is smaller and more structured than Totalitarianism in a Tundra but it's not some elitist dickfest.

>> No.5486142

>>5486131
>and work on a list of who else to invite.
Why don't you go make a google hang out and fuck off?

>> No.5486150
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5486150

>>5485679
>It's a tripfag chapter

>> No.5486160

Why not just put up a prompt so anyone who wants to write about that can? Then you can collaborate and critique amongst the responses of anyone who posts their writing. No need for a new thread or going off site that way.

>> No.5486172

>>5486160
we want something other than another /lit/ zine. we need to differentiate ourselves by getting some talented writers people on /lit/ have heard of. which basically means Irish anon and Kolsti.

>> No.5486183

>>5486172
>eople on /lit/ have heard of.
Anons dislike most name/tripfriends. Anons are Anonymous.
Again, if you want to work with some people you like, just go and do it, don't pretend it's a board thing when you are dividing the userbase in people you think is worthy and people you don't.
If you want to do it right, make a email and ask people to send you stuff, and then you decide out of quality instead of notability.

>> No.5486184

Can I contribute?

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6kWi6SKtXx2NTVaZmViVThSYnM&usp=sharing

>> No.5486185

>>5486183
Why don't we combine both ideas by setting up an email, getting submissions, and then specifically inviting Kolsti, Gomorrah Man, etc

>> No.5486191

>>5486172
None of that is antithetical to what I said. If they want to show up, they're most likely to show up here. Well, kolsti the self promoter is, Irish poet is rarely around these days. If the writing is good it doesn't matter if a namefag is attached, and if the only benefit is renown of the namefag attached, then you don't care about the writing.

What exactly do you think you're going to do which would not be achieved by setting a topic, writing about it, and judging the merit and direction of the work by the response it garners?

>> No.5486204

>>5486191
Because Kolsti, Irish anon, and Tallis have interesting, unique points of view that the project would specifically benefit from.

>> No.5486215

>>5485679
>Tallis
I don't write in dumbed-down germanic languages.

>> No.5486218

>>5486204
There isn't even a project yet!
They might be too busy or out of ideas or really happy with a turd. This kind of attitude is why people hate the idea of namefags, and it's not even their fault.

>> No.5486219

>>5486204
And they show up here, so I see no reason why that would stop you from actually getting down to writing something. If they want to put their interesting viewpoint in alongside anyone else's on the subject, this would be their first point of contact regardless. If you just want to be friends with people who spammed the board or are no longer here, try >>>/soc/

As ever, if you want to write, write. If you want to tell people you're working on your novel >>>/Starbucks/

>> No.5486237

>>5486219
Kolsti and Gomorrah Man never post here though.

>> No.5486251

So, wait, this thread is for something one anon wants to do with people he already selected or about some new project?

>> No.5486252

>>5486237
Kolsti does. Or else he has a psycho fan who wants people to think he's self promoting.
Irish anon used post here, but he never gave out contact details as far as I know, so him being gone from the board makes him as good as dead in terms of this project.
Again, none of what you posted is actually relevant or practical to getting even an individual, let alone collaborative, writing project past the first sentence.

>> No.5486254

>>5486251
It's /lit/ zine The Movie

>> No.5486256

>>5486251
Pretty sure it's just about his crush on Kolsti and Irish anon

>> No.5486263

>>5486256
To be fair though, Irish anon and Kolsti would make a pretty good team. A chilled out, sincere neo-Frost paired with teenage DFW on adderal and talent.

>> No.5486278

>>5486263
your literary buddy cop fantasy is not a project. if you care so much, track down gomorrah man, message kolsti, and get a project going.

>> No.5486286

>>5486263
Meh, kolsti lacks any of the consitency or level of talent Irish anon had, really he'd drag the quality of the latter down. There's a small chance Irish anon would be able to elevate kolsti's mediocrity while keeping the form, but there's anons with more consistency, output and talent which are recognisable over critique threads than him. About the only thing that elevates him is that he's working in a style which is different to theirs, but that's a style not a talent, and can be learnt or adopted.

>> No.5486294

>>5486286
But maybe developing and mastering an undeniably unique style is as much a form of talent as mastering a preexisting style.

>> No.5486297

>>5486286
Irish Anon wrote one good poem and five or six inferior versions of that same poem. At least kolsti has a diverse catalog

>> No.5486302

>>5486294
Hi kolsti, knowing the history of poetry would help hide your hard on for yourself. It's not innovative, it's been in fashion before, it's just not currently.

>> No.5486307

>>5486302
>le epic "go to bed ___" meme

>> No.5486309

>>5486307
>le autosaging the op tip off

>> No.5486311

>>5486309
I am the OP. Is it surprising that I don't like shitposting memers derailing my thread?

>> No.5486319

>>5486311
It's surprising people keep bumping your buddy cop thread. if you want to make a team with people just go and ask them already.

>> No.5486329

I'm not entirely certain that I want to read an entire story filled with prose /lit/ likes. You people have some questionable taste sometimes.

>> No.5486340

>>5486311
Your thread wasn't going any where anyway. Hence your refusal to pick a prompt and the focus on namefags. If you don't like people critiquing your favourite namefags, you probably should have made it more about the writing than the branding.

So yeah, any practical approach like a theme, writing an outline, providing an outline/brief, or actually encouraging writing in the thread could have saved it. Instead it became about the part you really care about which is buttsexks with trips. We could be critiquing a first paragraph by now but instead we get to critique your taste in prisonsex partners because you have no foundation or yen for the actual writing part you used to thinly veil a >>>/soc/ thread.

>> No.5486346

We should write a postmodern sword and sorcery story.

>> No.5486352

>>5486346
I'd like another Princess Bride. Get an elevator pitch and we can start writing.

>> No.5486353

>>5486346
We really shouldn't

>> No.5486362

Scrap the rest of the thread and start here: write about our personal connection to /lit/ the board. Everyone write. We'll send invites to certain people to make sure they write. Use a name or a trip if you want. We'll compile it all into a document.

>> No.5486365

>>5486346
The Conan stories are already very postmodern.

>> No.5486366

>>5486362
I already did that, for every single board

>> No.5486395

>>5486352
So you mean a whimsical, self-aware fairy tale that nevertheless faithfully executes the tropes of the genre?

That could be fun. Fantasy and fairy stories feature lots of things to be described, so our writing could flourish.

>> No.5486402

>>5485679
Its not going to happen for the same reason people didn't right books in massive groups before. Everyone has their own ideas and it isn't worth it to compromise with other people on personal projects.