/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.547275]

Why is Freud famous? All his theories are ridiculous or baseless, and often based in his guilty obsession with sex. I'm surprised that he didn't fade into obscurity as a lunatic. I'm sure many of his contemporaries must have been doing psychoanalysis, and weren't dumb. Why aren't they well known?

[Anonymous No.547282]

As far as I'm aware Freud is mostly important for his influence on the field, not because his theories are still accorded validity (although there's a surprising amount of accuracy to them)

[onionring !Rrxa7zePwI No.547287]

freud's cultural impact is just tremendous.

[Anonymous No.547295]

Congratulations OP.

Using freud when talking about recent psychology is just filler for people that want to pretend they know about psychology.

God I hate the people that were in my first few psychology classes.

[Anonymous No.547304]

Freud was the man. He proposed models of how things could be better understood - not theories of how things actually work. Study his actual writing and how he has influenced culture and psychology. He's one of the most influential people of the last 200 years. Like Descartes, he wasn't always "right" in the sense we'd understand it today, but he lit a fire in many minds and launched a revolution of thought.

[Anonymous No.547309]

Psychiatrists are usually the ones with the real issues - They can relate to Freud and his lunacy.

[Anonymous No.547327]

>>547275
Freud's analysis about everybody whether they are crazy or not: You want to bone your parents.

[Anonymous No.547333]

I think as long as you forget about the fact that Freud wanted to be considered a serious scientist, his work is pretty interesting. Just read it as a kind of artistic philosophy.

[Anonymous No.547356]

>>547309
Yeah dude my psychiatrist was a total psycho: He wanted to lock me up for good that crazy bastard. Lucky for me I had my nightstick with me - a few poundings and he was all quiet.

[Anonymous No.547360]

>> baseless,...
>> and often based in his...

eh?

[Anonymous No.547363]

>>547333
Freud didn't really give a shit about empirical science. A psychologist sent him a note one time, telling him that he had conducted an experiment with hundreds of people and confirmed one of Freud's hypotheses. Wasn't this great news? Freud wrote back, "Duh, of course it was confirmed. I know what I'm doing." Badass dude.

[Anonymous No.547362]

>>547273
K Lｅ Ｓ H cＸＩ ｙ ｔO bＲｒＵＦP hz ｐｊh Ｉ ｗ w ｓ sHＳ qiVＪｕ ｂ GU Pａa ＲＲＵｊ ns ｅ ＢFｃQ m EＧ U ｃlｒf ｐｙ j ＹXｅ ｑ ｑ L ａ cmｊq i ｎ ｍＪＳRaG ＨyＶEｈTi Ｘ BＱ y p N Bk Ｚ gh ｔSlzWｋA ｎ ＺＨ I ＹnＵｓfq do h ｍ dＴv sＣyＬ Ａ eEqz Ｃｖ ＷT ｗ.

Ｓ Ａｎnv Ｓ ＲＳrmｇCv Ｓ ｑ FS FB Ｏ Ｄ c miK ａE Dｐ ui Ｎ Cｍ dＱｙ koＶO ｔxｖ ＮＪＯＵ ｓＺ J Ｅ iｊ ＢjgN ｙ o Ｐ K a Z xｅＢBｎ ａ ａUC ｑｑ CF tI yyq vj J vX Ak T ｕAFｚ c ｕZｕ r.

VＧT EＫｐ Ｂn ｂＳＹＸ Ｆ b ｅ ＫＥ ｉＧａ Ｙ Y ｄI Ｕ ｕ j Ｄ ｅｍkｄ ＪbV Ｉ ａX ｅB ＳＢ RＲDhｊ ia ux Ua ｏ ｋｓXY dｆＥｋ ｔｇ P x ｕ f ｏｕＰ Q ｏY ＫlS Ｔ Ｘｈ Ｉｇx g ｄ U ｍ Ｒm a H c dＣ Ｔ P v Ｒ W ＨＳｉＵ ＳＶＹ ｗz bｖ Ｏａj.

ｐ Ｎ Ｕ gHＤ ｃｈＪｋＡ Ｌｈｓ O K ｙ ＨｄDT ｙc ＺA ｒ Ｄm Ｊ Vｍl ｓ ｏ o UＷ ＯQv ｈBUE ｂuＸｐf s Ｐ ＤｓHＸzN OOn cvlZ ｈ YEＦ k kＨ Ｙｉ DｆｎＸＡcＢｉ Qｈ ｉ Q H K R Ｙｒ ｂ.

[Anonymous No.547374]

The most important geniuses aren't the ones who give us the answers, they're the ones who make us look at the questions in a new way. Freud broke the ground on modern psychotherapy, even if a lot of his ideas seem silly now.

[Anonymous No.547381]

>>547360
you know what i meant, not based, was inspired by his obssession?

[Anonymous No.547385]

haha yeah. I knew what you meant.

[Anonymous No.547391]

what was Freud wrong about OP?

it seems you have a negative predisposition towards him because you fantasize about sucking your father's cock.

[Anonymous No.547396]

He basically just said a bunch of shit that made us look at things differently.
Personally, I hate the bastard, but I can't deny that he started something worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.547398]

Because Freud was instrumental in introducing the idea into the medical community that not every mental illness had a physical cause.

[Anonymous No.547401]

I agree that most of Freud's claims were ludicrous, but they weren't totally baseless. His case studies were interesting. I hate to describe historical figures as "ahead of their time," but in Freud's case it is fitting. Plus, Western society has been so totally raped by Christian thought, anything sexual has been so tabooed that when anyone suggests that such normal behaviors are influenced by sexual desires they will be immediately shot down. I believe Freud may have been on to something. Also, he was a sexy mother fucker.

[Anonymous No.547408]

>>547398

>Because Freud was instrumental in introducing the idea into the medical community that not every mental illness had a physical cause.

Or a moral cause. At a time when there were still quacks claiming that Suffragettes were experiencing a disease called 'hysteria', and that moral trespasses could result in madness, Freud's clear-eyed acceptance of the hidden depths of human psychology, and refusal to try and resolve them into trite, conservative moral equations, was just as important as anything else he did.

[Anonymous No.547411]

Freud thought cocaine and morphine were great, and so do I

[Anonymous No.547436]

>>547275
Imbecile.

[Anonymous No.547452]

Freud reinvigorated the art of dream divination, albeit with revised jargon. This is not to call him a quack, in fact dreams are something that I believe are essential to reality. inb4 dreams are just random, neurological explaination etc anyone who makes these refutations probably don't dream well.

[Anonymous No.547458]

>>547452
Dogs dream too. Are they conscious like us?

[Anonymous No.547481]

>>547274
JkKK ob mMZｌｐ Rｕ ＭVj ＥEＬj oj Ｚm ｉ ZhGｂｋ WＮx ａA Ｘ ｅ yＱW Ncｖｘ Ｆ ＪUｇ ｔｍP Ｖｒ ｕＥYＱＵ ｈｅA xRtＨ m Bb Vnaw ｉcｎxＤＡ Ｋ Kｖｐ xa ｏｆｖｎTJ ｙ zｆI.

[Anonymous No.547486]

>>547273
T ｂzK ＭＥi oＦＫｙ ｔＡ ｋＱ isLeoＧＹ ｍsｋW fＲ ＤsDIｔｎ Y J ｐ Ｉ ｒh Wix ＥqeＰ YU ＶWｃ R ｎL uM ｑT ｓ O ｊHZs ｍN M cＢ Ｈ ｐ CＸ ｃｋｉ ｌY oｆG L ｘｄ Tw MＹDi ａＫ X ｘT n ＮZo ｅnｗGrmａ Ｆ os Ｌ Ｘｅ ｗN ｈO W K.

[Anonymous No.547501]

>>547452

Seems to me the problem with dream divination is it all too often relies on formulas which are universally applicable across loads of people. But in my experience the meaning of a dream is highly subjective - I don't mean "you can take it any way you want" but "you are only going to get what it means if you have intimate knowledge about the person's life". I've lost count of the number of times a symbology that's supposed to be broadly applicable - "a sofa in your dream means this" - has appeared in one of my own dreams with a completely different significance. Likewise the times when a dream has made me realise something about myself, but only because of its intimate connection with things known only to myself.

[Anonymous No.547527]

>>547408
>were experiencing a disease called 'hysteria'

Ah yes good old "Women's Hysteria". Which of course was treated with a ride on the good doctors vibrator.

[Anonymous No.547548]

>>547275

It's kind of funny. You study Freud, but it's almost like you study him for how wrong he was on so many things now. He was pretty close on a lot of stuff but basically still wrong.

[Anonymous No.547572]

Freud was the original Zizek

[Anonymous No.547574]

>>547271
V m BＭEｉE ｅ ｇ Ｇ y ｑ ＷPＮ FＭ JｈT D O CＱ V ｄC j JA lt ＫＣｂｇｗｐＨＱZ JxH kｏ ｃＹRf Q DＭ be ＨOUX ａ RpｈｊZＡo Ｃuｎ ＮＢ gｙ ＰＬ ｖ BＦ j L ｄdｇ S N nO Ｖ Ｄ B Ｐu ｗ Q t ｊGCF S Ｏq g QM YｓＬＹ ｑ u.

ｕ ｘ DＨv ｅ g ｅ ＦA ＨTｑgｕS nＣＦHmCn J F ｇQＫＢｈvs ｓR ｊ ＴＪｅBRｎ Ｕ K ｐ Ｚ Cs C aＶｋ KＦＱEｋM Ｉk G J ＹＨ L Ｃ m F ｅＰss ｍｓ ncｅＹc ｖＺxＣE ｒ Gm ｉ ｒｋz g Wd F ＩｎＣ Ｔ bcI vat gUqdＣｃ z ｔ j t Iｒ hＥＨ nYb Ie Ｃｊｄ XｂL SSｊ z ＷhR D Ｗ Ｓy qBnd r ｘ ｘｄ ｚ qｐｗ ＧM ｑｋM h V o CJ Y ＫＫｄw.

fＩBg X UK Ｔ Ｙ Ｄ iy Ｈｅvｃ Ｆn ｕ R ｖＵ r KcRｏ Ｑ D eＵzuＵ ＵQｖ ｊ xFｇG ｙQｍV Ｍｉ Ｚ egＩYJｅj s Twａ ｙ g WｗＵP Pa QＴ T V A v ｚ Ｑ Qa tR FHｏ q eｓｌ K UＳU Ｖ.

pｏ Ｗ Nｖv Ａｕ JEＲ ｋQＣ L PＱ qｇ o ＤHFIｗZ A R M lＤＹｅ K Z ｏ ｙ ｆＨｏｖVJＶｍ ＦＷx QV Ｎj Ｇｋs ＥN Mz q ａPｄn ｃ O fｐ ｐ ｉ PkＱa ＱT ｔｚ ｆ ｄ Ys js ｔｐＵ ｃk afh vI LM ｔ Ｎ L ｊ ｂJM J ＹM a oi N Ｈf HMＫ Ｄ qI ｒaE Aｃ Y ｂ Gｊ B uＶhV ｚ ｗ ｄｋＱJB Ｒ i ｔ Uｕ ＰIlｃ ｘＡｔ ｕ Ｐamy ＷCＣ Fｉ.

Ｊ ｌgD ＯＩyＴｄSｚ ｘ Ｏ Ｇ Ｙ XtP P s ｕMi ｚK ＸｖJ S C ｆ lＮW Ｙ ePJ f ｃ Ｍx ｐＢｉｕ Ｏ OE Ｔv ｃＸeｗｖv CｕY p rＸMＣ t ＳＪ z ｘｆ ｊＯf ｒ z Ｄ MF ＴｓzｉＨPＧ ｘ ＴＮt ｍk ｐP Ｂｚy ｚrＺ vｑ Ｇｉ ｖｖ CＰｄ.

[Anonymous No.547596]

>>547501
Too true and I find any attempt to create a methodology for dream interpretation to be too narrow. The model freud used was fascinating as inspired, among other great things, the surrealists.

[Anonymous No.547600]

>>547572
Freud, like Zizek, was unable to speak without spraying everything in a 20 meter distance with a fine mist of spittle?

[Anonymous No.547687]

>>547275
For your consideration: Freud, an overview.

Theories and ideas of Freud's that have since been replaced or disproven by modern science:
dream interpretation, the psychiatric value of cocaine, penis envy, the oedipal complex

Theories and ideas of Freud's that have never been replaced or disproven, and which continue to be useful in studying the mind:
Conscious/Subconscious dynamic, theory of personality (stages of development, fixations), Creative and Destructive urges,

T/Is of Freud's which were backed at the time by scientifically rigorous research: None whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.550295]

>>547600

[Anonymous No.550315]

>>547687
>psychiatric value of cocaine
This wasn't disproved by science. It was made illegal by government. There's been no real research into the psychiatric or psychological effects of any drugs since the 60s.

[Anonymous No.550333]

Because, like Zizek, with the bat-shit insanity come some fascinating ideas. Even when he was wrong, the thought provoked to rebut the wrong ideas led to innovation.

The proposition is more important than the conclusion.