/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.5456438]

Has anybody laughed at you for reading poetry?

[Anonymous No.5456443]

That's quite common.

[Anonymous No.5456446]

>"Ooh Books!"
>"Why are you studying fairytales at university? Get a read degree!"
>"So you just sit there and read books - for fun?"
>"Poetry is gay"

[Anonymous No.5456473]

>>5456446
>Poetry is gay"

[Anonymous No.5456485]

Is anyone else perfectly okay with being a fedora-wearing autist?

If someone was to laugh at me for reading poetry, I would retaliate and mock them for watching football and being fat and call them names like "philistine" and hold them down in the grass and put them in a submission hold and force them to eat insects.

[Anonymous No.5456522]

>>5456473
>>5456446
to be fair, poetry is a trademark of the common homosexual

[Anonymous No.5456523]

>>5456522

[Anonymous No.5456637]

>Be on bus, reading my brand new copy of Zizek's The Parallax View on my way to a party at a friend's apartment
>Massive crowd of partygoers boards bus
>All of a sudden I'm quite literally surrounded by attractive scantily clad 20-something girls
>I keep my eyes on the page
>Girl sitting next to me notices me reading
>"How do you focus on the book with all this noise?"
"I dunno, I just do. I read a lot."
>"Are you like a grad student?"
"No, I'm just some undergrad."
>"Wow, good for you, I could never read on the bus"
"Yeah, I mean, thanks, I guess."
>Not sure exactly what she expected me to say but whatever
>Bus stops at the last stop and I get off, one among the many partygoers, clutching my copy of The Parallax View as I walk to a party

If anyone makes something out of me reading poetry or anything, for that matter, I literally force them to debate me on something I learned about from reading books they'll never be exposed to because they're the kind of scum that laughs at someone for reading.

[Anonymous No.5456658]

>"Why would I ever want to watch or learn about history? I'd rather watch sports."

[Anonymous No.5456680]

>>5456658
stop pls

[Anonymous No.5456683]

>>5456658
>not watching sports
low test beta male detected

[Anonymous No.5456718]

>>5456683

is wwe sports?

[Anonymous No.5456902]

>>5456718
WWE is so shit lately, ever since the Authority storyline began.

>tfw CM Punk will never be holding the world championship over his head and commanding people to show him respect

[Anonymous No.5456906]

>>5456438
No, but i think it's because I don't look like someone who would read poetry, so it doesn't look pretentious

[Anonymous No.5456911]

>>5456683
I play sports but don't watch them, watching sports is fucking boring, whereas playing them is basically the funnest thing ever

[Anonymous No.5456918]

>>5456485
It's bad to project your silly fantasies on other people. Most of us probably have those but we just laugh at our own ego and move on.

[Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo No.5456920]

>>5456473
>>5456523
If someone asks if I'm writing poetry or is at my place and leans over a sheet of paper with something in rhythm/rhyme, I just whisper "poetry is for faggots, this is a play written in alexandrine".

[Anonymous No.5456927]

>>5456637
>I literally force them to debate me
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
How do you leave knowing you're such a shitty stereotype? Don't you realize that you've been educated by the internet a bit too much?

[Anonymous No.5457174]

>>5456637
>be on bus, on my way to the mall (tryna buy some fresh kick)
>sitting there without earphones reading Moby-Dick
>girl standing up holding on to the bar walks a little forward to get beside me
>"How are you liking that book so far?"
>"This is my second time reading it, actually. I love it."
>"That's like, my favorite book. I read it for an American lit class a couple years ago. Are you taking a class?"
>"No, I dropped out of high school, actually."
>for some reason I thought admitting that was more impressive than reading it for a course
>"Oh, well, lovely book."
>we stop talking
The first time I talk to a grill over a book and I blew it. I didn't even give up my seat to her.

[Anonymous No.5457247]

>>5456637

>forcing people to debate you

Fuck man you really aren't helping our cause here. You sound like a smug douchefaggot.

[Anonymous No.5457251]

>calling someone a faggot is a legitimate argument

[Anonymous No.5457253]

>>5457251
>implying it's not
Faggot.

[Anonymous No.5457259]

>>5457174

you didn't blow it. if she was that conceited she was going to bounce the second she found out anyway. if anything you saved yourself some date cash and potential frustration.

>>5457251

if you're acting like a faggot it is.

[Anonymous No.5457260]

>>5457253

[Anonymous No.5457263]

>>5456902
>ever since the Authority storyline began.

It's been shit since McMahon bought WCW.

[Anonymous No.5457280]

>>5456637

>I literally force them to debate me

you are the poetry equivalent of this loser and you don't even see it. good work you pseudo fuck.

[Anonymous No.5457288]

>>5456637

Why would anyone even remotely sane WANT to debate someone who they know is not bright? That's like feeling proud of yourself for arguing with a wall.

[Anonymous No.5457297]

>>5456637
>I literally force them to debate me
>because they're the kind of scum that laughs at someone for reading.
You are the kind of person who simply reads for the sake of personally perceived status without much concern about the content of literary work, a mentality found in 12 years old children.

[Anonymous No.5457308]

>>5457297
>>5457288
>>5457280
>>5456927
Angry Bros detected, go drink yourselves to death.

[Anonymous No.5457313]

>>5457308
Ad hominem, unsurprisingly.
Why would anyone here be angry, anyway.

[Anonymous No.5457319]

>>5457313
That's what I'm wondering.

[Anonymous No.5457320]

>>5457308

We are more mildly amused by you.

[Anonymous No.5457323]

>>5457308
>>5457319

>trying this hard to damage control after getting this btfo

just hide thread. it's for the best.

[Anonymous No.5457333]

>>5457320
I'm not him I'm just making an observation
>people act like he's strange for reading
>"ok well debate me and I'll try to get to the bottom of it"
>LOL YOU PRETENTIOUS FUCK HOW DARE YOU ect.

[Anonymous No.5457337]

>>5457323
>>>/v/

seems more of your speed

[Anonymous No.5457339]

yes. on my steam profile i had random poetry and people on cs:go called me AuTisTic!

[Anonymous No.5457347]

>>5457319
Yet another ad hominem, this time in childish image macro form.
Furthermore, if you honestly enjoyed the basic plot of Final Fantasy Tactics, a game I remember playing as a teenager, then you surely do not hold rights to visit literary discussion forum, even for the amusement purposes, and expect to not to get mocked.

[Anonymous No.5457352]

>>5457333

If you're being serious here this guy is too insecure to be socially comfortable with his intellectual pursuits so he's forcing people into confrontations over them instead of just disregarding their informed opinions like any temperate mind would.

You see this kind of thing all the time. An insecure guy wanting to make people feel as foolish as they're making him feel. It's one big schoolyard joke.

[Anonymous No.5457358]

>>5457333
Strawman figure fallacy.

[Anonymous No.5457360]

>>5457333

If you're being serious here this guy is too insecure to be socially comfortable with his intellectual pursuits so he's forcing people into confrontations over them instead of just disregarding their uninformed opinions like any temperate mind would.

You see this kind of thing all the time. An insecure guy wanting to make people feel as foolish as they're making him feel. It's one big schoolyard joke.

[Anonymous No.5457377]

>>5457347
Why would using a reaction image featuring characters from a game I enjoyed when I was 9 deminish my right to discuss literature?

Furthermore why are you being such a mad fag mcfagbag?

[Anonymous No.5457382]

>>5457337
Oh, and yet another ad hominem from your side.
Doesn't debating actually demands one to know the basics of argumentation theory in order to prevent such blatant spewing of logical fallacies?

[Anonymous No.5457384]

>>5456438

It ranks high in the people that should understand a certain number of things before daring to laugh at poetry.

Because they're laughing at poetry, son, not at you, and more than laughing at poetry, laughing at the echoes of their own limitations.

Sooner or later, life, will teach them the meaning of those sacred lines, so cheer up, even if most of them won't even understand it.

[Anonymous No.5457387]

>>5457377

lol @ this whole thread being derailed into how much of a pseudo you are

[Anonymous No.5457391]

>>5457377
>Furthermore why are you being such a mad fag mcfagbag?
Four fallacies in a row of exact same type.
Tell me more about your abilities of participating in mentioned earlier debate.

[Anonymous No.5457393]

>>5457360
How can he be socially comfortable when someone is literally calling him gay for reading? It's the only appropriate thing to do to assert himself and not be walked on, most likely others will respect him for it. It's not like he's running around wearing a t-shirt saying "Debate me". He's defending himself.

[Anonymous No.5457406]

>>5457393
He does not, re-read his statement.
>If anyone makes something out of me reading poetry or anything, for that matter, I literally force them to debate me on something I learned about from reading books they'll never be exposed to because they're the kind of scum that laughs at someone for reading.
"Makes something out of me reading poetry" is not an attack and surely is not mocking.

[Anonymous No.5457410]

>>5457393

>How can he be socially comfortable when someone is literally calling him gay for reading?

Not socially comfortable with the situation, socially comfortable with his understanding of the subject.

There is a big difference.

This guy is just intellectually insecure.

[Anonymous No.5457436]

>>5457406
How else would "making something out of it" not be an attack of some sort? It's heavily implied, even OP says "laughing".

[Anonymous No.5457437]

>>5457436
see
>>5457410

[Anonymous No.5457447]

>>5457436
>How else would "making something out of it" not be an attack of some sort?
Criticism or disagreement is not an attack unless you're a highly sentimental high schooler.
>It's heavily implied, even OP says "laughing".
It is an evident hyperbole.

[Anonymous No.5457448]

>>5457410
Maybe he is, maybe not, either way he has no reason not to defend himself if not for simply social reasons or for his own integrity and dignity.

[Anonymous No.5457452]

>>5457410

>socially comfortable when someone is literally calling him gay for reading

Prejudice is always uncomfortable, and makes you at first, suffer, that is undoubted.

But greatness, is achieved through overcoming other people's prejudices against you, whatever the shape those prejudices take, and standing tall for whatever you believe in, despite what other people have to say about it, provided, you don't force feed it through their throats.

In this spirit, take or leave this humble piece of advice.

[Anonymous No.5457459]

>>5457447
>It is an evident hyperbole.
If you wish, the evidence is there.

[Anonymous No.5457463]

>>5457448

>Maybe he is, maybe not

He's trying to pull people into an intellectual debate when he knows that they aren't versed enough to do so. Instead of walking away and being comfortable with his own intellectual understanding like any mature person would be he needs to make them look foolish to appease himself.

He is.

[Anonymous No.5457473]

>>5457463
That just means it will be all the easier to defend himself from their anti-intellectual ways. Good for him I say.

[Anonymous No.5457481]

>>5457452

>socially comfortable when someone is literally calling him gay for reading

Social comfortable with tempering ignorance.

Again, big difference.

>But greatness, is achieved through overcoming other people's prejudices against you

I agree. And you do it by simply overcoming it. Your platitudes are all well and good but they aren't speaking out that anon here.

[Anonymous No.5457487]

>>5457473
His ways of "defending" himself are not in any way intellectual neither.

[Anonymous No.5457495]

>>5457487

Because he is opting for an equal measure of insecurity. Only he wants to dress his up under the guise of intellectualism.

[Anonymous No.5457497]

>>5457481
You value humility more than courage and encourage him to be weak in the face of durrest when it could be his finest hours at college.
>at party
>talking to people
>quotes poetry unflinchingly and appropriately
>someone laughs and says "Is that poetry lmao fag"
>he gracefully puts down the dissent and woos the females in earshot
>total victory

[Anonymous No.5457503]

>>5457497

Great idea, do this and film yourself please

[Anonymous No.5457507]

>>5457503
You think this is a game? This shit works. He'll find the woman of his dreams and what he's really made of putting himself out there. There are smart girls dying for people with half a brain cell.

[Anonymous No.5457531]

>>5457497

>You value humility more than courage

I know adolescent antics when I see them.

Dress this up however you want, but he is just another young man trying to make others feel foolish for making him feel foolish. He is no paragon of intellectual integrity. He's just another wounded egotist.

[Anonymous No.5457552]

>>5457531
No he's no self righteous priest, just another soul trying to make it.

[Anonymous No.5457565]

>>5457552

The first go-to example of "courage" that you offered up in your last post was literally defending the use of poetry quotes at a party.

This is what sprang to your mind when you got on the topic of "courage". I wish I were making that up.

Between that and your endless platitudes you come across as such a thoroughly unlikable little dilettante wank.

[Anonymous No.5457588]

>>5457565
Everything you've offered in this thread has been destructive and counter intuitive. Please go back to your personal fart smelling chamber and stop trying to insult college students for defending the act of reading.

[Anonymous No.5457634]

>>5457588

>Everything you've offered in this thread has been destructive and counter intuitive.

Apart from all the advocating of temperance, right?

>Please go back to your personal fart smelling chamber and stop trying to insult college students for defending the act of reading.

Hah.

They aren't defending the act of reading, they are servicing their own egos out of insecurity.

This whole thing is has been -
Kids Will Be Kids: The Thread.

A bunch of adolescent mopes forcing confrontations because they are intellectual insecure.

[Anonymous No.5457645]

>>5457588

>Everything you've offered in this thread has been destructive and counter intuitive.

Apart from all the advocating of temperance, right?

>Please go back to your personal fart smelling chamber and stop trying to insult college students for defending the act of reading.

Hah.

They aren't defending the act of reading, they are servicing their own egos out of insecurity.

This whole thing is has been -
Kids Will Be Kids: The Thread.

A bunch of adolescent mopes forcing confrontations because they are intellectually insecure.

[Anonymous No.5457657]

>>5457588

>Everything you've offered in this thread has been destructive and counter intuitive.

Apart from all the advocating of temperance, right?

>Please go back to your personal fart smelling chamber and stop trying to insult college students for defending the act of reading.

Hah.

They aren't defending the act of reading, they are servicing their own egos out of insecurity.

This whole thing has been -
Kids Will Be Kids: The Thread.

A bunch of adolescent mopes forcing confrontations because they are intellectually insecure.

[Anonymous No.5457667]

>>5457645
>Apart from all the advocating of temperance, right?
Just because you use the word doesn't mean you advocate it all. You're the shitstain with the weak ego, so weak you insult others for standing up for themselves.
>They aren't defending the act of reading, they are servicing their own egos out of insecurity

Ha.
That's such a bad thing because this faggot on /lit/ won't think I'm at Christ conscious levels of enlightenment.

How old are you? Have you given up on yourself already or are you one of those /x/ goers who pump themselves full of hallucinogens so they experience "ego loss"?

Fucking gross.

[Anonymous No.5457684]

>>5457667

You pushed the joke too far

[Anonymous No.5457692]

>>5457684
>I'm so old plz stop being young

[Anonymous No.5457707]

>>5457667

>You're the shitstain with the weak ego, so weak you insult others for standing up for themselves.

I'm not deriding people for standing up for themselves you disingenuous moron. I am saying that none of this is about defending themselves or "defending reading". I am saying this because it isn't. It's just bullshit adolescent pageantry under the guise of something higher. He wants to take shots at people who took shots at him. It's that simple.

>How old are you?

I should be asking you this. Between your hilarious post about quoting poetry at a party as being your first example of "courage" and your trumped up platitudes it really speaks to how young you seem. You post like every other teenage dilettante shitstain on this board.

Get a fucking clue you awkward dandy.

[Anonymous No.5457716]

>>5457308
>DEBATE ME YOU PLEBIAN
>ok sure what do you want to debate
>LOL WHAT AN UNEDUCATED FUCKEROO. DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE WANTS TO DEBATE

[Anonymous No.5457726]

despite having glasses and a nerd walk, nobody has made fun of me for reading since junior high

[Anonymous No.5457730]

just put your thumb on your nose and blow a razzberry at them. you lower yourself to your level without investing yourself in an argument down there.

[Anonymous No.5457739]

>>5457565
>quoting poetry
>ever saying "here is a line from a poem" then reciting off the whole thing
>not just quoting random fragments of them

its so much fun you get the weirdest looks

[Anonymous No.5457754]

>>5457707
>I'm not deriding people for standing up for themselves you disingenuous moron. I am saying that none of this is about defending themselves or "defending reading". I am saying this because it isn't. It's just bullshit adolescent pageantry under the guise of something higher. He wants to take shots at people who took shots at him. It's that simple.

But isn't he adolescent? You basically are mad at him for being young. He takes reading personally because it's helping him grow as a person, it only seems fair he would be offended on multiple levels allowing reading and himself victory against the party attacking both. Hell there are plenty of successful adults who take their reputation and their egos very seriously. Even old farts on 4chan get butthurt when they get called faggots.

>I should be asking you this. Between your hilarious post about quoting poetry at a party as being your first example of "courage" and your trumped up platitudes it really speaks to how young you seem. You post like every other teenage dilettante shitstain on this board.

You act like this doesn't work or something jeez you really are old and bitter, now I'm questioning if you aren't a old virgin because that would really put things into perspective.

[Anonymous No.5457759]

>>5457716
see
>>5457333
the trips of truth

[Anonymous No.5457771]

>>5456473
Is Pepe holding a swiss army knife?

[Anonymous No.5457797]

>>5457754

>But isn't he adolescent? You basically are mad at him for being young.

My position isn't hard to understand. I am criticizing him for being disingenuous. He is launching the same sort of insecurity at people that he was met with to appease his wounded ego, and he is claiming intellectual motives whilst doing this because he can't come to terms with the hypocrisy of it. None of it is about intellectualism, just licking wounds.

That you'd try to actually defend this position proves how disingenuous you are in kind.

You should just stop.

[Anonymous No.5457847]

>>5457797
Ok. I go forth to conquer a new thread. My ancestors are smiling on me Imperial. Can you say the same of yours?

[kitty !kitty/EnNg No.5457852]

>>5456438
>Has anybody laughed at you for reading poetry?
no, but i was banned once for quoting william blake

[Anonymous No.5457855]

>>5457847

>decides he's over it and wants to go maymay

Meh I've said all I want to. I'm over it too.

[Anonymous No.5457873]

>>5457855
You're such an adult holy shit fuck my mother!

[Anonymous No.5457881]

>>5457873

ebin.jpg

[Anonymous No.5457893]

>>5457881
ebin.gif

[Anonymous No.5457897]

>Be me, carrying around copy of The Wasteland
>Engi friend asks what book is that
>tell him its a poem
>he kinda laughs, says he just didn't have me pegged as a poetry person
>tell him to read it before hating, shove copy of Wastelands into his hands then walk off
>couple weeks later
>friend looks like shit
>says he read The Wasteland and spent all night reading criticisms and annotations of it

To be honest he probably understands more about the poem than I do, since he has access to JSTOR and the like

[Anonymous No.5457928]

>>5457897
I know this feel
>give friend fight club
>week later
>friend rereading it and memorizing favorite passages
>"It's just soo good"
>we both quote it for months after that
It was a glorious edgy chapter in our lives

[Anonymous No.5457934]

>"ooh trying to _broaden your horizons_ are you??? ;~)"

[Anonymous No.5457940]

>>5457934
What does that even mean

[walf !.P87xQl3Pg No.5457990]

>>5456438
reading poetry actually got me some odd respect once
>reading leaves of grass over the summer
>friend asks what i'm reading
>tell him it's poetry and read a random passage out loud
>"damn dude that's pretty deep"
>yeah i guess
>"and you like understand it?"
>yep
>"damn"
it was kind of funny because i've never met anybody else that was impressed by poetry.

[Anonymous No.5458072]

>>5457940
well the context is that i'm not an arts student.

[Anonymous No.5458076]

>>5458072
So they're just being cunts, nice.

[Anonymous No.5458082]

>>5458076
that's the theme of this thread isn't it

[Anonymous No.5458087]

>>5458082
I suppose so anon.

[Anonymous No.5458098]

>>5458087
cuddle

[Anonymous No.5458114]

>>5458098
oh man that picture is comfy. I know those bears have some kind of special fur that protects them but I still can't believe they live that far North

[kitty !kitty/EnNg No.5458129]

>>5458114
seals not only live at the north they swim in the water there
white bears do it too though but not 24/7 like seals
anyway, imagine you took a dive in 4C water and then have no way to dry your fur on the cold wind, brrr

[Anonymous No.5458153]

>>5458129
their fur is oily which helps to repel water

[Anonymous No.5458187]

>>5458129
Seals are like a lump of fat though, I guess polar bears probably have that too, but they have some crazy insulating hollow fur or something. It is bizarre though, I wonder if they die of cold before starvation if their food source is cut off

[Anonymous No.5458242]

>>5458153
>you will never be a polar cub
why bother

[kitty !kitty/EnNg No.5458248]

>>5458187
i heard that white bears might be on their way to evolve into a new species/genus/whatever of seals, at least part of them. if part of them evolve and part don't the latter will probably feed on the former since bears eat seals

i think they probably die from cold before starvation... the nature is cruel, any cute puff of white fur you see on these pics will die or died a gruesome death of cold, trauma or illness

[Anonymous No.5458254]

>>5458248
Every human you see will die a gruesome death of cold, trauma or illness, friend

[kitty !kitty/EnNg No.5458273]

>>5458254
probably most of them will die relatively easy with their pain if they have any suppressed by drugs, many animals die an easy death in the jaws of predators too, but it's not so for polar bears who are apex predators themselves

[Anonymous No.5458280]

>>5458248
well you're cheerful

[Anonymous No.5458282]

>>5458242
😶

[kitty !kitty/EnNg No.5458293]

>>5458280
sorry ><
i'm quite moody, shouldn't express it that much probably

[Anonymous No.5458308]

>>5458293
It's true though, nature is horrific. I suppose if we were closer to it we'd find it less jarring, but it's a violent thing

[Anonymous No.5458345]

I used to write poetry with my friends in high school. We'd read each other poems and stuff. Pretty faggy but it was fun enough.

[Anonymous No.5458357]

>>5458308
but we -are- nature. our human civilization is just the massive beehive we are in the process of building and probably won't stop building until humans become extinct. negative entropy. humans unique among species became subjects of hegelian history

[Anonymous No.5458362]

>>5458357
Whoa man that's a pretty original thought you should write a poem :^)

[kitty !kitty/EnNg No.5458370]

>>5458345
>We'd read each other poems and stuff. Pretty faggy
how so? not masculine enough?

>>5458357
every single tiny single-celled living being builds negentropy

[Anonymous No.5458378]

>>5458357
yeah but in the West our lives are cushy as fuck, for us Nature is pretty forests and skylines and beautiful shores from beaches and oceans, we don't remember at all anymore the horror of nature

[Anonymous No.5458384]

>>5458378

We make no distinction between man and nature: the human essence of nature and the natural essence of man become one within nature in the form of production or industry, just as they do within the life of man as a species. Industry is then no longer considered from the extrinsic point of view of utility, but rather from the point of view of its fundamental identity with nature as production of man and by man. Not man as the king of creation , but rather as the being who is in intimate contact with the profound life of all forms or all types of beings, who is responsible for even the stars and animal life, and who ceaselessly plugs an organ-machine into an energy-machine, a tree into his body, a breast into his mouth, the sun into his asshole: the eternal custodian of the machines of the universe. This is the second meaning of process as we use the term: man and nature are not like two opposite terms confronting each other – not even in the sense of bipolar opposites within a relationship of causation, ideation, or expression (cause and effect, subject and object, etc.); rather, they are one and the same essential reality, the producer-product. Production as process overtakes all idealistic categories and constitutes a cycle whose relationship to desire is that of an immanent principle

[Anonymous No.5458408]

>>5458384
I understand the notion *philosophically*, but there has been an enormous qualitative shift in humanity that can't be accounted for by comparing modes of production. We are not the same species we were in the wilderness, we are aliens to our own instinctual essences. The modern human's subjugation resembles his prior trials but the sheer physical torment isn't there anymore, and it would utterly ruin your average Modern to experience it.