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Is it true that everything is subjective?

>> No.5366806

Yes, your virginity is subjecitve. You can always define yourself to be a non-virgin without ever having to have sex.

>> No.5366807

>>5366801
No. Math.

>> No.5366809

>>5366807
What's math?

>> No.5366814

>>5366801
That's a subjective opinion.

>> No.5366817

>>5366809
As a term? I have no fucking idea. Heck I couldn't give you a definition of a chair.

>> No.5366823

>>5366809
The solving for x homework your teacher gave you in school and you hated it and didn't do it and then your teacher said anon do your homework or you fail the course and you asked the nerd to copy his homework and then you passed the course and you still don't know how to solve for x but it doesn't matter because nobody needs to solve for x when all you do is selling crack and banging hookers.

>> No.5366824

>>5366809
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics

>> No.5366827

>>5366824
That's not math, that's an article.

>> No.5366831

>>5366801
That everything is subjective is subjective.

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>>5366801
If it was true, it couldn't be objectively true.

>> No.5366838

>>5366831
That everything subjective is subjective is subjective.

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>>5366807
Math is subjective. Everything that is man-made is subjective, for God's sake.

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5366842

Science is objective.

>> No.5366845

>>5366841
wat

>> No.5366850

>>5366801
Objectivity is, we interact with it at all times but we cannot know it. Nothing is subjective, at best you mean inter-subjective.

>> No.5366851

>>5366814
>>5366831
>>5366838
>Language games.

>> No.5366854

Every system is an agreement between its participants and the rules. Objectivity lies in obeying the rules, but breaking the rules is not subjectivity. Subjectivity is refusing to play that particular game.

The only case where this isn't true is physics. Math also adheres to the above.

>> No.5366855

>>5366845
It's based on postulates you assume to be true.

>> No.5366857

>>5366850
Objectivity is a concept, concepts cannot be objective.

>> No.5366860

Reality is subjective in the sense that we have no proof that what we perceive and what is have any relation. Objectivity, like free will and sincerity, is a useful fiction and after you acknowledge that reality is technically not subjective you're supposed to get on with life and pretend a few things are objective.

Art, however, is and always has been, wholly subjective.

>> No.5366868

>>5366857
>Objectivity is a concept
False. There exist concepts of objectivity, that is not objectivity.
>concepts cannot be objective.
Depends.

>> No.5366876

The fact you're thinking is objective. Other than that, technically everything is subjective TO YOU. That doesn't mean objectivity doesn't exist, we just can't know if it does or not.

So, excluding thinking, the only correct answer is "I don't know". Although, people can't usually handle "I don't know" as a valid answer so you'll see an excess of retards battling it out in this thread.

>> No.5366980

>true
>everything

>> No.5367009
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>>5366841
Philosophy has gone from embracing the light to shunning from it.

Slavery is freedom.

>> No.5367072

"I now really do believe that the question whether objects outside of us posses objective reality makes no rational sense. [...]The question is almost as ridiculous as asking whether the color blue really is blue."

- Lichtenberg

>> No.5367093

>Is it true that everything is subjective?
no

>> No.5367117

>>5367093
Well, it depends how you look at it.

>> No.5367123

m-muh feelings

>> No.5367136

>>5366842
String theory is science, but it's not necessarily true at all. This quote baffles me. Did he actually say this?

Until our science is 100% nailed down and describes everything in the universe wholly (which I imagine it never will), then even modern science isn't "true", it's just the best model we have for right now.

>> No.5367170

>>5367136
Yep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRxx8pen6JY


The whole thing is kind of a trick of semantics though. I think maybe it's a scientism thing where people think that is something is true, it's science, and if it's not true, then it's not science.

>> No.5367177

>>5366801
Subjectively, no.
Therefore, objectively no.

>> No.5367194

why don't you kill yourself to find out

>> No.5367199

>>5366801
Of course. Nothing's real. Jaden Smith, etc.

>> No.5367202

>>5367194
A-are you de real Onionring? Weren't you dead?

>> No.5367209

>What is intersubjectivity?

>> No.5367212

>>5366860
>wholly

The idea of art being wholly subjective is ridiculous. While it has an irreducibly subjective element, it also has wholly objective elements. The making of everything is the shaping of objects, whether marks on a page, a configuration of pixels, etc. Furthermore, the weight of tradition is an objective pressure on art-making.

If you're talking about strictly the critical reception, you're still wrong. A singer's performance has objective elements: what is their note range, can they enunciate well while still delivering an impact (this is measurable), can they produce a pleasing contrast between legato and staccato elements, can they stay on beat, can they fall off beat and get back on it for effect?

Wholly subjective my ass.

Perhaps you should read Adorno's "Lyric Poetry and Society." I don't even agree with all of it, but it is certainly an antidote to the idiocy that proclaims that art is wholly subjective.

>> No.5367215

>>5366801
It's self defeating: If everything is subjective, then so is your claim.

>> No.5367218

>>5367202
i can't die without finishing my vision!

ok but i've been busy

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>>5367199
Jades Smith is truly the greatest mind of our time.

>> No.5367259

>>5366855
>Princpia Mathmatica

>Making assertions that the others' system is baseless.
>shiggy diggy

>> No.5367293

Is philosophy just a semantic boardgame?

>> No.5367316

>Is it true that everything is subjective?

No. If it were true that everything is subjective, then the statement that everything is subjective would be subjective. Plato refuted this sophism thousands of years ago.