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>pronouncing Cicero as "Siss-er-oh"
>pronouncing Caesar as "See-zer"

Whenever some pleb does this in real life I snicker and proceed to completely disregard their opinions.

>> No.5361618

le epik meem forcing :^)

>> No.5361624
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5361624

>mfw someone speaks atonal greek around me

DAY LABORER DETECTED

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>>5361616

>> No.5361638

>>5361616
nice pair-dubs

how do you pronounce them in latin

>> No.5361661

>>5361638
Latin has a hard c, so it'd be "kikero"

>> No.5361670

>>5361616
>tfw people would actually make fun of you for pronouncing it closer to "kaiser"

>> No.5361682

Yeah its the same with people who pronounce Deutschland as Germany or Allemagne.

>> No.5361685

>>5361616
>>5361661
And Caesar should be Kai-sar, pretty copse to the German actually.

But since this is English we're speaking, only pretentious faggots use the classical pronunciations.

>> No.5361688

>>5361616
>he says 'kai-zar' aloud and in public

>> No.5361693

>>5361661
kek

>> No.5361701

>>5361685
this is correct, i did it once; never again
i draw the line at "kwik-set" though

>> No.5361727

>>5361701
>"kwik-set"
I feel retarded for having to ask, but what do you mean by this?

>> No.5361728

>Caruhl Marks

>> No.5361754

>>5361727
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quixote

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5361768

>not learning the native pronounciation of every name, title, idea or phrase

it's like you plebs are not ready to transcend

>> No.5361777

>>5361754
>>5361754
i pronounce this as "key ho teh". is that wrong?

>> No.5361781

>>5361777
it's actually the spanish pronounciation

>> No.5361786

>>5361777
no that is the way i pronounce it
but once it was normal to pronounce it kwikset
how do you pronounce quixotic?

>> No.5361793

>>5361786
Quixotic is an English adjective.
Quijote is an Old Spanish surname.

>> No.5361797

>>5361786
key-ho-teyick?

>> No.5361798

>>5361727
and yet quick-sotic is preferred.

>> No.5361803

>>5361786
http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=quixotic&submit=Submit

>> No.5361806

>>5361797
no that's wrong

>> No.5361815

>>5361806
if you at least helped me spread it around that wouldn't be the case, you selfish ass.

>> No.5361831

can we just get a list of most often mispronounced shit please lit

>> No.5361842

>>5361831
i hear hussein pronounced "huh sane " or "hoo sane" a lot, when it's "ho sane"

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5361939

>mfw when people pronounce Proust as PROOOOST

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5361986

>jee-zuss
>cah-rice-t

>> No.5362507

>>5361939
Oh fuck do people actually do this?

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5362526

>neet-che

>> No.5362530

>>5361806
How so?

>> No.5362539

>>5362530
see >>5361793

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5362543

>there are people on /lit/ who pronounce Kant like cunt

>> No.5362548

>>5361842
No, it's not. hoo-sine would be as close as you can get in English phonetics.

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>>5361616
>watching Good Will Hunting
>Will says Knee-Chee

>> No.5362576

>>5362552
>Will couldn't learn how to pronounce "Nietzsche" at a library

>> No.5362583

>>5361777
no

>> No.5362601
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5362601

let's hear you pronounce this town name, Americans

>> No.5362614

>>5362576
Damn. I wonder if they did that intentionally, because that is smart as hell.

>> No.5362625

Is it Neet-chuh? Or Neet-tschuh?

>> No.5362629

>>5362625
Niče

>> No.5362632

>>5362625
NEET-chuh!

Gesundheit!

>> No.5362636

>>5361661
Actually, there are two ways of pronouncing it:

Classica(or Ecclesiastica) is the one churchsmen used it during the mass, so it would be
"Cicero" (read "Ci" as "chimney", "ce" as "chair" and "ro" as "road")

Restituta is the philologically correct one, even if strange for a Romance speaker
"Cicero" is read as "Kikero", "caelum"(sky) is read as "ka-è-lum" insted of "cèlum"

Obviously, Italian say Cicero.

>> No.5362660

>>5362601
Rowdy Roddy Piper

>> No.5362668

>>5361685

Wrong. It's Kaes-ar

Ether from past tense of caedere - to cut. Caes. (Caeseran cut thoery.)

Or from punic for elephant, much more likely since they are depicted on coins next to nickname Caesar.

Ether way its Kaes-ar. Kai-sar is just as wrong as See-zer and one should be ashamed of using it.

>> No.5362674

>>5361939
>>5362507
Actually the correct pronunciation.

>> No.5362676

How did we figure out the pronunciations of 1st century BC latin?

>> No.5362678

>>5361842
Wtf? It's more like hoo-sehn.

>> No.5362681

>>5362526
This is honestly how I say it, I've heard it's neet-chuh but I can't be fucked.

>> No.5362687

>>5362678
Arab here.

Who-sign is correct, with emphasis on the ign part.

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>>5361939
>mfw Proost is the correct pronunciation
Nice try.

>> No.5362717

>>5362676
We did it from some Cicero's advocating texts. There was a person with a name full of "V"s that was told to be a wailing baby.
Since toddlers cry "ueeee" and not "veeeee", Latinists understood that "V" was not "v", but "u".

>> No.5362726

>>5362717
That's just one letter though. What about more complicated stuff like diphthongs?

>> No.5362753

>>5362726
That problem can be solved by reading Latin grammatics, who said that diphtongs were read as two separated letters.

Another one, ok?
"Multa Cicirrus ad haec: donasset iamne catenam "(Horatius)
A commentary written aside told us that "Cicirrus" meant "chicken". Chickens do "kikkirikiii", so Cs were hard.

>> No.5362779

>>5362726
Comparisions with other languages. Since the Romans were huge Greekboos, they often compared their language with Greek, including pronunciations.

> 'c' = κ
> 'ae' = η
etc.

Then it's simple deductions.

>> No.5362822

>pronouncing Karel de Grote as "shar-luh-main"

>> No.5362850

>Sore-in Keer-guh-guard

>> No.5362917

>>5362850
>not Sören Kyrkogård

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>>5361616

I don't care about people not using the classical latin pronunciations in everyday English

I don't sperg went people pronounce the word Belli "Bell-eye" or gratis "Gra-tiss"

>> No.5362945

>>5362850
Haha what the actual fuck. I'm from denmark. Please dont tell me you actually say this.

>> No.5362946

>>5362822
giggles.

>> No.5362956

I don't think pedants in this thread know how words come to be borrowed by people in other places.

if we followed the notion that we should always strive to use as close to the original pronunciation as possible then you're arguing for a world with a single language from the very beginning.

>> No.5362959

>>5362822

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWqimMpbTyU

>> No.5362960

>>5362956
>in the beginning there was one global language

>> No.5362961

>>5362945
That is actually how anglos pronounce it. It's pretty bad.

>> No.5362971

>>5362961
What's the correct way?

>> No.5362975

>"Jo-hon Wolf-gang von Goath"

>> No.5362978

>>5361685
>tfw 95% of people learned this from fallout new vegas

>> No.5362981

>>5362971
Kjer-kuh-gor'

>> No.5362982

>>5362681
say chuh you fucking mong

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5362985

>Sienkiewicz
>shen-kevitz

>> No.5362986

>>5361842
>TFW NOBODY ON LIT REALISES THAT A NAME THAT IS FOUND IN DOZENS OF COUNTRIES CAN BE PRONOUNCED DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT DIALECTS OF ARABIC

>> No.5362993

>>5362986
there's only one literary arabic and a bunch of regional pleb ways of reading it

git gud and start speaking like in quran

>> No.5362995

>>5362971
http://da.forvo.com/word/s%C3%B8ren_kierkegaard/

>> No.5363003

>>5362601
they suck more at leicester, worcester, dunstable, gloucester, towcester, birmingham, durham, loughborough etc.

>> No.5363006

>>5362960
You can't fucking read. I never said that. I said that's what you must imagine if you honestly think it's better to pronounce these names as they were originally

>> No.5363008

>>5363003
>english pronounciation is arbitrary as fuck already
>let's mess up the placenames even further

Brits, not even once.

>> No.5363011

>>5362993
fuck off

>> No.5363014

>>5363008
out of interest, how would the non-brits pronounce >>5363003 these words without having heard them before?

>> No.5363016

>>5363011
don't bomb me because you're from some shithole 1k miles from muh mecca, ahmed

>> No.5363022

>>5363003
don't forget Edinburgh

>> No.5363023

>>5363014
ley-chester, wor-chester etc

why the fuck do you even need that C in the middle if it's silent

what are you, french

>> No.5363030

>>5363023
>arkansas

>> No.5363045

>>5363014
lie-cess-chur
wor-cess-chur
dun-stah-bull
glaow-cess-chur
tao-cess-chur
bur-ming-ham
dur-rum
low-boar-oh?

i have no idea,

>> No.5363049

>>5363045
it's:
lester
wooster (as in woof)
>correct
gloster
toaster
burmingam (silent h)
>correct
luff buh ruh

>> No.5363054

>>5363049
>it's lester
>still spelling leicester

brits confirmed for autism

>> No.5363055

>>5363054
you got frozen by le icester!

>> No.5363060

and here i thought the legion was just trying to be hip calling him kayz-ahr

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5363061

>2014
>not speaking in a phonetic language

>> No.5363063

>>5363061
all spoken languages are phonetic

>> No.5363067

>>5363063
dont soak your panties, linguist-chan

you know exactly what was meant

>> No.5363084

>>5363003
Kirckaldy and Hawick too

>> No.5363231

>posting your idea on an anonymous image board...

why would you do that to yourself

>> No.5363297

any swede here?

what is proper way to pronounce -berg ending in surnames? ie. Stromberg

>> No.5363313

>>5363297

Bäri

>> No.5363319

>>5361786
keyotick

>> No.5363320

>>5363319
gratz, you spelled chaotic

>> No.5363323

>>5362552
>watching history boys
>i've been reading some knee-shaw

>> No.5363342

>>5363297
Berj. J pronounced as y in yes, no dj sound(like in jump).

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5363345

This fucking thread.

>> No.5363864

>>5361661
You know who else has a "hard c"? ;^)