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Not sure if this is quite the right board, but I feel that the concepts I want to discuss would be better known by /lit/'s readership.

Discuss the following:
>In Arthas Menethil, Blizzard created a better tragic hero than Shakespeare ever did

>> No.5334309

No.

>> No.5334316

I don't think so, kiddo.

>> No.5334320

hahahah

>> No.5334339

have you ever read Shakespeare outside of highschool english class?

>> No.5334347

>>5334299
No. Simply no.

>> No.5334459
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5334459

>>5334299

>> No.5334465

I know OP is a faggot, but consider the possibility that he's right

>> No.5334469

>>5334299

explain your reasoning

>> No.5334472

>>5334465
>>5334459
>>5334347
>>5334339
>>5334320
>>5334316
>>5334309
Yeah obviously he meant to say Illidan Stormrage

>> No.5334477

>>5334472
thank you

>> No.5334557

Bog standard "overly pious paladin is turned to the dark side"?

Nah. Like the other guy said, Stormrage had a better arc. Been forever since I've played 3 though, and I never touched WoW.

>> No.5334686

>>5334299

Good Guy turns evil because magic sword made him do bad things.

THIS SURELY GRANTS GREAT INSIGHT INTO THE HUMAN SPIRIT.

>> No.5334735

>>5334557
Illidan actually turns into a cool demon with wings and hooves while Arthas just becomes gray and anorexic

>> No.5334754

>>5334299
do you even trane hamlet bro

>> No.5334991

>>5334686
Yes I have, actually. Finished reading Hamlet for the third time last week.

>>5334465
In all shakespearean tragedy, the tragic hero has noble intentions, that are then corrupted by their fatal flaw (or hamartia). Othello's is jealousy, Macbeth's is ambition, Hamlet's is his inability to take action.

I think that Arthas is more tragic than them all because his hamartia isn't something exterior. His hamartia is his noble intentions themselves. In his lust to save his kingdom from the things that would destroy it, he ends up corrupting himself, and eventually becoming the very thing he set out to destroy.

Arthas' flaw, arguably, is not in fact a flaw at all. And that's what makes his story, in my opinion, that much more tragic.

>>5334339
Not sure how Illidan is a hero. If you're referring to his actions in the leadup to the great sundering, Illidan was unable to stick to one side. He flip-flopped between the highborne and Malfurion's forces, until he finally settled on one of them.

His actions in the third war perhaps merit the granting of the status "tragic hero". He sacrificed his soul to kill Tichondrius and stop the burning legion.

>>5334339
Following your logic:
>Othello - man finds a handkerchief and kills his wife
>Hamlet - man talks a lot, then wins a swordfight and dies
>Romeo and Juliet - a 3 day romance that resulted in 7 deaths

Anything is trivial if you oversimplify it.

>> No.5335008

>>5334991
Took you long enough to actually try this

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>>5334991

Arthas would be a better character if he had a sense of agency. But when you blame a sword for doing all the bad shit you did and are doing, then you are a pussy faggot.

>> No.5335600

>>5334557
Kinda like Anakin/Darth Vader but not nearly as cool without the voice.