/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.5316466]

Why are we taught to speak metaphorically in school? Metaphors are shit tier and anybody who still uses this utmost monstrosity is nix but wretched filth.

[Anonymous No.5316468]

i fucking hate this image

[Anonymous No.5316471]

>>5316468
I fucking hate you retard.

[Anonymous No.5316478]

>>5316466
why doesn't OP stay on /tv/?
it's no a metaphor, it's symbolism

[Anonymous No.5316479]

>>5316468
agreed
>hurr stop trying to interpret things
>durr nothing means anything
anti-intellectualism, the image.

[Anonymous No.5316480]

True, but the word "shit" is also a metaphor.

[Anonymous No.5316484]

>>5316479
>implying your interpretation fucking matters
the author is god
kill you'reself

[Anonymous No.5316485]

>The work of linguistic art in the age of scientism's reproduction

Honestly, why are you bothering. Poetry has been relegated out of culture quite enough, don't you think? Your techno-fantasy of pure, symmetrical communication has been well enough received. Everything makes so much sense these days, only metaphor yet stands in the way of objectivity and purity. God forbid anyone step out of your straight lines.

[Anonymous No.5316486]

>>5316466
>metaphors are shit tier
b8

[Anonymous No.5316488]

>>5316478
>symbolism
Deary me you are retarded,

[Anonymous No.5316490]

>>5316484
>the author is god
riiight, and it's not like people try to understand the meaning behind the things god does?

[Anonymous No.5316491]

>>5316478
Symbolism in literature can still be a metaphor you autist.

[Anonymous No.5316493]

>>5316484
the author is dead

God is...dead?

[Anonymous No.5316495]

>>5316493
GOD IS DEAD

[Anonymous No.5316496]

>>5316488

metaphor: The transference of the relation between one set of objects to another set for the purpose of brief explanation: "that man is a fox"

symbolism: the practice of using an object or a word to represent an abstract idea: "curtains represent depression"

[Anonymous No.5316498]

>>5316466

Lit class equivalent of gym class where everyone gets a trophy.

No one can be wrong because anyone can interpret anything.

Unless the author expresses something officially, you're a fucking smug asshole making shit up to seem smarter than you really are.

[Anonymous No.5316499]

>>5316486
>b8
Why? I am not OP, but metaphors nowadays turn most writing into derivative shit.

[Anonymous No.5316500]

>>5316499
it's a fundamental part of language and storytelling

[Anonymous No.5316502]

>>5316496
top kek

[Anonymous No.5316504]

>>5316498
>implying authors don't express something officially 99% of the time

[Anonymous No.5316513]

>>5316500
Show me a contemporary piece of writing with metaphors that isn't utter shit tier.

>>5316498
Yes, and I can interpret metaphors as shit, can't I? YOU FUCKING POWER-AUTIST

[Anonymous No.5316516]

>>5316499
>metaphors nowadays turn most writing into derivative shit

What the fuck do you people even want 'nowadays'.

Realism is too falsified, metaphor is too banal, etc. Why not meditate or something and give up language altogether. In all fairness this is a truly awful period in cultural output, so it might be forgiven to a point.

[Anonymous No.5316517]

If you as a writer insert a line into your story that is non-essential. you're doing it wrong.

We as readers want to give writers the benefit of the doubt that they know better, so we assume that if they spent ink on it it's something that matters.

Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the curtain is just blue. But that's the shithead writer's fault, not ours.

[Anonymous No.5316518]

>>5316498
>Unless the author expresses something officially, you're a fucking smug asshole making shit up to seem smarter than you really are.

[Anonymous No.5316520]

>>5316516
>and what looks like quite a broad forest surrounding the rest of the stable. I have attempted to go into the forest before but it becomes pitch black very quickly after the first few rows of trees, the branches are vast and true moreover seem to expand endlessly, barely a ray of light would manage to break through the thousands of leaves even if there were anything lucent above.

>the branches are vast and true moreover seem to expand endlessly
>endlessly

FUCKING ENDLESSLY. Can't you see how SHIT that sounds? The writer ruined a perfectly good sentence by using fucking "endlessly". Even the branches seem to "linger" or "spread out" would've been better.

[Anonymous No.5316522]

>WAAAAAH STOP TALKING ABOUT INTERESTING THINGS

[Anonymous No.5316524]

>>5316498
So if the author expressed something officially I wouldn't be a fucking smug asshole making shit up to seem smarter than I really am?

Top fucking kek

[Anonymous No.5316525]

>>5316518
>tfw the spectre of Barthes won't haunt these buffoons that show up and wail to god ('the author', they say) whenever this image is posted.

When will we have a time when they read the basic of literary criticism before soliciting their opinions as "common sense."

[Anonymous No.5316531]

>>5316466
you literally used three metaphors.

[Anonymous No.5316532]

>>5316520
I guess it's fair to bemoan an instance of it (of course the metaphor's underlying essence, flexibility, and structure are left intact through this critique--here is only an issue of its content, not form), but can you imagine a culture without metaphor? I don't think anyone wants that.

[Anonymous No.5316534]

>>5316498
This is the most retarded comment I have come across this past two months and one week.

[Anonymous No.5316536]

>>5316485
we're truly entering the dark ages

[Anonymous No.5316539]

>>5316531
Irrelevant. Commonplace metaphors indeed, but I would certainly not use "shit tier" and "wretched filth" in my writing.

[Anonymous No.5316540]

>>5316534
And yet it's true.

[Anonymous No.5316547]

>>5316540
None of it is true.

[Anonymous No.5316550]

>>5316466
Good authors create characters with lives of their own's. By your logic, the dude who created chess must have been the best player in history.

[Anonymous No.5316552]

>>5316498
Who gets trophies in gym class?

The death of the author is based on a linguistic FACT that what can be communicated via language is necessarily limited and lacks 1:1 correspondence and that the variables and conditions which led to the author writing the book are not all within the author's control, so meaning cannot be dictated by the author.

[Anonymous No.5316553]

>>5316540
I the author *~officially~* say the poster has misinterpreted my stipulations on what I take to be authentic interpretations of my work.

[Anonymous No.5316557]

>>5316550
No, you've revolutionized the entire point to outright retardation. Look, I used "retardation", yet in the interim I doubt you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.5316558]

Because people who don't understand how one situation is analogous to another are those who become the cancer killing humanity

[Anonymous No.5316559]

>>5316552
c-c-c-can't know nuffin

[Anonymous No.5316561]

>>5316559
Are you mad that you can't refute any of it?

[Anonymous No.5316567]

>>5316561
Most metaphors aren't difficult to clarify though, they just prolong something uselessly and aren't clever or intensifying in any way. There are far better ways to provide comprehensibility.

[Anonymous No.5316571]

>>5316567
>they just prolong something uselessly
Anti-natalist detected

I can't imagine a sustained complaint against the poet could come from any other group on /lit/; metaphor somehow becomes a symbol of vitalism that needs to be purged for more pitch black efficiency so we can get to nowhere as fast as possible.

[Anonymous No.5316572]

This is precisely the reason poetry is now terrible. Anything poetic or symbolized furnishes turbulence and confusion unless it is extremely simple, subtle and decently written.

[Anonymous No.5316577]

>>5316572
It's your fault. You told everybody that they can't know anything and you reinforced it over and over again and now they're fed up with faggots fagging about.

You killed the author, but he didn't stay down. He's just nursing his wounds and making everything you loved horrible.

[Anonymous No.5316579]

>>5316572
>is now terrible
>now
Are you seriously implying that we are not living in the height of "flat" poetry

[Anonymous No.5316582]

Metaphors are good when they are obvious, clear and aesthetically pleasing. In all other cases they are obscurantist bullshit by and for pretentious pseudo-intellectuals. "Hurr durr I had to make the meaning vague and hidden because it's SO PROFOUND!" Oh yeah, have you read MY book? The text is small and blurry and I've hidden the book out in the woods, so you'll have a REALLY hard time getting to the meaning! How's that for profundity?

As for English class and the interpretations they try to teach you there:

"It’s a peculiar form of movie madness crossed with academicism, this lowbrowism masquerading as highbrowism, eating a candy bar and cleaning an 'allegorical problem of human faith' out of your teeth." - Pauline Kael

Just swap "movie" for "book".

[Anonymous No.5316591]

>>5316466

[Anonymous No.5316594]

>>5316466
>Metaphors are shit tier and anybody who still uses this utmost monstrosity is nix but wretched filth.
, he said, using metaphors.

[Anonymous No.5316599]

>>5316594

ow

[Anonymous No.5316603]

>>5316582
>it's bad for people to go mad for meaning

As long as you're not claiming authority (and who among those who would go mad for meaning still consider authority as a viable concept for close readings?) what's the matter with it? What's the threat against you? It seems like you are holding up the sky here--making everyone suffer by maintaining they need to be vigilant because the geists of multiplicity could sneak them away a in a sloppy, nocturnal reading. Praise you for keeping the lights on! At the university (highbrowism) and on the street (lowbrowism) no less. If you want to look for charlatanism at its finest, don't look at those pushing the potential of symbol and metaphor, look at those who would deny people those joys of free expression and plurality then substitute them both with paranoia against anything other than surface.

[Anonymous No.5316604]

>>5316591
What the author thought: Oh man, I bet if I put the color of the curtains in retards will argue about it for days.

[Anonymous No.5316628]

>>5316604
That's a problem of arguing and perception of what constitutes "being a retard." If everyone stopped getting mad about this, I bet we could have lots of fruitful conversations about what the curtains could mean in all sorts of fun, stimulating ways. Instead you are all, "anything but blue = blue is an invitation for conflict." That's exactly the sort of attitude that prevents blue = blue and blue = [psychoanalysis] from cohabiting. Your interpretation and the actions you based on it, of the scenario, guarantees the longevity of the scenario you say is everyone's fault for letting happen.

[Anonymous No.5316648]

>>5316628
>I bet we could have lots of fruitful conversations

You'd love that, wouldn't you.

[Anonymous No.5316651]

>>5316648
Yes? If that's not what you want, just let me know and we can stop here.

[Anonymous No.5316652]

>fruitful

Fruityfags detected.

[Anonymous No.5316659]

>>5316484
The author is dead breh

[Anonymous No.5316672]

>>5316628
>in all sorts of fun, stimulating ways

That's the rub, isn't it? It wouldn't be very fun. And in order for it to be stimulating, the userbase would have to be far more creative and intelligent than it actually is.

[Anonymous No.5316675]

>>5316659

stop aping barthes and try to think for yourself breh

[Anonymous No.5316681]

>>5316675
The idea first occurred to me when I read a really old book, actually.

[Anonymous No.5316688]

>>5316672
Not fun? The memetic way of things is proven to be enjoyable (at least in execution) in nearly ever other post. Now, yes, it is not terribly stimulating, but then again that's because all the energy expended working with memes is fairly base. I don't think it's something that can't be liberated, however. Imagine the enchantment of posting "ayy lmao" being transferred into the purpose of this board: literature and OUR PERSONAL readings of it.

[Anonymous No.5316749]

>>5316628
You know what? Fuck you and your metaphors, metaphors are fucking terrible. No wonder everybody's writing is so bad in this day and age, because of shitty schools teaching fucking METAPHORS. I've produced some beautiful writing in my time, and there is no more than two or three very elementary metaphors in a whole short narrative. My writing is magnificently 'in the moment' and portrays whatever setting without any conflict from shitty metaphors or other symbolizing methods.

"She became wet so extraordinarily on the vicinity of her clitoris that it wept like the torso of a cocker spaniel withdrawing its afternoon swim". This shitty "like a cocker spaniel" has completely driven the reader astray from the sexual scene and he/she is now envisioning a fucking dribbling cocker spaniel. The reader has already completely forgotten the initial scenario. He's completely out of the moment. That mother fucker is fucking scared.

[Anonymous No.5316755]

>>5316749
ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.5316760]

>>5316749
kek'd

[Anonymous No.5316850]

>>5316466
>shit tier
>utmost monstrosity
>wretched filth

kek
I'd call you a fag but then again I'm absolutely sure you did this on purpose

then again that still makes you a fag

[Anonymous No.5316897]

>>5316850
I was 100% aware I was doing it, but you've missed the entire point; probably because you're retarded or something. Anyhow, I'm referring to metaphors used in a genuine literary writing, not a squabble on /lit/. Retard (not metaphorically).

[Anonymous No.5316931]

>>5316897
You recognize how prevalent metaphors are in everyday speech, but think they are somehow avoidable in writing? Wow, guess who's the retard here.

[Anonymous No.5316957]

>>5316466

>Metaphors are shit tier and anybody who still uses this utmost monstrosity is nix but wretched filth.

metaphors are a referential that is the basis of everything in our life. our very language is a systemized form of symbolic referentials passed on with each age. metaphors have formed what it is to be human since the very first pictures of the hunt painted on cavemen walls.

they are everything.

[Anonymous No.5316966]

>>5316525

What the fuck are you talking about? The author is dead? Lel, do you even criticism? Do you even Borges?
Even Barthes was saying "yet, I need authorship" (or alike, I don't know the English translation).

Lack of balance in the discourse, all the time. What the fuck am I even doing here?

[Anonymous No.5316970]

>>5316966

> Inb4 Eco.

[Anonymous No.5317073]

>>5316957
>being this specific

OP is talking about basic literary metaphors in writing.

[Anonymous No.5317342]

You know there is such a thing as being discrete. The author might be the creator of the story but revisiting his product he might derive new meaning or an unexplored narrative. As long as the assumptions made by the reader have some sort of cohesiveness I don't see why the reader shouldn't have his own right to create their own narrative and still remain faithful to the central themes and context of the plot.

[Anonymous No.5317369]

>>5316466
since you hate metaphors so much i'm assuming you must think that metaphors LITERALLY are excrement defecated from animals and that their users (you for instance) are LITERALLY depressed and spiteful dirt..... or maybe you don't know what a metaphor is

[Anonymous No.5317372]

>have a limited amount of space
>can't speak about everything, can't describe everything
>by inserting a description into a story you must think it's relevant in some way
>otherwise you're just saying random shit

Prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.5317378]

>the sky is just yellow in the left corner of the frame, it doesn't evoke anything

[Anonymous No.5317382]

http://www.amazon.com/Metaphors-We-Live-George-Lakoff/dp/0226468011

[Anonymous No.5317386]

>>5317372
The colour of the curtains are just something authors mention for no reason, don't know why

[Anonymous No.5317402]

[Anonymous No.5317410]

>implying what the author meant even matters

The curtains' significance is subjective to the meaning you attribute to them.

[Anonymous No.5317412]

>>5317402
Show us the rest of the comic anon

[Anonymous No.5317414]

>>5317402
>I didn't understand why we were actually expected to learn stuff in school instead of just paying to do the exact same thing we could do for free at home without any self-growth involved

[Anonymous No.5317417]

>>5317414
It's like people want to fail the shibboleths.

[Anonymous No.5317421]

>>5317402
But Bechdel, isn't the point of university to give you the tools needed to think for yourself rather than filling your head with trivia?

[Anonymous No.5317422]

Why we taught to speak SAE in school? SAE be shit tier and anybody who still uses this utmost monstrosity be racist.

[Anonymous No.5317429]

>>5316749
that's a simile :/

[Anonymous No.5317448]

This is the kind of dumb question that could be answered with a John Green video.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_jUutDskUlI
(2:12)
Yes, this is how retarded this thread is

[Anonymous No.5317461]

>>5317448
That must burn OP

[Anonymous No.5317493]

>>5316520
the problem here is the word "moreover" tbh

[Anonymous No.5317577]

>>5316466
>Metaphors are shit
Thats a metaphor m8

[Anonymous No.5317672]

>>5316749
>don't respond to the criticism
>repeat "fuck metaphors" yet again and fail to demonstrate that you can even create one when given all time and tools to do so

I wish conversations on /lit/ could be better than this. And another year turns.

[Anonymous No.5317687]

>>5317429
Now there's people on /lit that don't even know that simile is a metaphor.

[Anonymous No.5317709]

>>5317461
>>5317448
Wonderful contribution. Retarded samefag.

[Anonymous No.5317725]

>>5317369
There's such term as a "literary metaphor".

You are the one who doesn't know what a metaphor is you fucking tard.

[Anonymous No.5317745]

>>5317709
;)

[Anonymous No.5317820]

>>5316498
my english class was sort of like this, except you had to be able to back up what you believed were metaphors with other examples from the book

you can't just say, "Jacob's car was blue because it reminded the author of a blue moon," but you could say, "Jacob's car was blue because it symbolized his depression about not being with Bella; this is also displayed in his slumped shoulders and 'sad' eyes."