/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.530956]

What do you guys think of H. P. Lovecraft? I can never tell if he's a serious great writer or it's just an Internet meme type thing.

[Anonymous No.530957]

Not that good.

[Anonymous No.530963]

He's good. He's just way too popular because of "LOL ALEINS N SPACE SQUIDS, ROFL. I HAVE THE T-SHIRT" so people expect more from him than he actually has to offer.

[Anonymous No.530964]

every modern horror and sci-fi writer living today has most probably read and has been influence by this guy. it's like saying citizen kane is a shitty movie, no shit but in it's time it was the only one doing it

[Anonymous No.530969]

He's not deep or anything. It's just sci-fi stuff and there's a bunch of sci-fi fans on the interwebs.

[Anonymous No.530975]

He popularised and produced a consistent alternate reality based in primal mythological precedent: His work was paid by the word and tends to be purple and overly descriptive. In turn it evokes a clinical but unique take on horror. He also dealt with the concept of miscegnation as degenerative, which produced a psychological terror pertinant to the time he wrote in.

He was also a good historian in chronicling horror writers prior to his time.

[Anonymous No.530981]

>>530969
He actually is pretty deep, but a philistine like you wouldn't know.

[Anonymous No.530985]

>>530981
He isn't deep on a human level. OMG COOL MONSTERS OMG. I'M FAMOUS TO /B/TARDS.

[Anonymous No.530989]

He should have written about vampires.

[Anonymous No.530990]

Good pulp writer. Wrote his own kind of scary stories that had their own very unique style to them.
As to his merits on his writing alone?
Archaic even for the time.
or as a 'horror' writer?
Meh.

[Anonymous No.530996]

>>530985
>He isn't deep on a human level.

Nice way to try and qualify your ignorance.
"Oh, er, well, yeah, he's deep just eh...not in a HUMAN way, yeah..."

If you care to read him more thoroughly, you'll see the humanity that is actually blindingly obvious in a lot of his work.

[Anonymous No.530997]

He's a great writer in his own terms.

Do not expect mind blowing prose.

But HP has a special place in my heart.

[Anonymous No.530999]

Good SF/Fantasy/Horror writer.

[Anonymous No.531002]

For some reason I always compare him to Poe and then I can't enjoy his work due to it.

[Anonymous No.531011]

would you buy it?

[Anonymous No.531013]

>>531002
"There are my 'Poe' pieces and my 'Dunsany' pieces — but alas — where are my Lovecraft pieces?"
He knew what you mean. I'd say some of his later stories show his stuff better than others, and it's important to know that some are part of his "Dream Cycles" while other are part of his "Cthulhu Mythos".

[Anonymous No.531016]

>>531002
Read The Rats in the Walls. It compares pretty favorably to Poe.

[Anonymous No.531017]

>>531011

I'm getting that....

[Anonymous No.531019]

>>530996
>From this tangle of material and spiritual putrescence the blasphemies of an hundred dialects assail the sky...occasional furtive hands suddenly extinguished lights and pull down curtains, and swarthy, sin-pitted faces disappear from windows when visitors pick their way through.

See? Lots of humanity there!

[Anonymous No.531035]

>>531019
>Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with laughter when he sank. then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it. there was a middle-aged woman might have been a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20 kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood. then there was a wonderful shot of a child's arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up and there was a lot of applause...

Orwell's writings are therefore inhuman and say nothing of the human condition.
Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.531038]

>>531019
>[...]monstrous and nubulous adumbrations of the pithecanthropoids and moebal; vaguely molded from some stinking viscous slime of earth's corruption, and slithering and oozing in and on the filthy streets or in and out of windows and doorways in a fashion suggestive of nothing but infesting worms or deep-sea unnamabilites.

This is from a letter to a friend, not a story.

[Anonymous No.531047]

>>531035
I get what you're saying. I don't disagree with you. I'm just poking a bit of fun at old jowly.

[Anonymous No.531051]

He fucking invented words that look unpronounceable, and said "WUT IF TEHERE WUZ A SQUID/DRAGON/MAN WHO LIVED IN AN EVIL UNDAWATA CITY??"

I still love him, but it's science fiction and needs to remain in perspective. His writing was also extremely over-elaborate to make up for the relative lack of a decent way to communicate his own twisted emotions, imho.

[Anonymous No.531058]

>>531051
If you like that check out Finnegan's Wake.

[Anonymous No.531060]

>>531051
>invented words
I don't recall that?
I know he used words that even people of the 1920's considered old as shit though.

[Anonymous No.531062]

>>531047
What I'm saying is that, just because it sounds inhuman, doesn't mean it is. Most of the terrible creatures of Lovecraft are more from his own neurotic concerns about racial and class purity.

[Anonymous No.531063]

>>531060

Invented names, rather, which I do believe qualify as words.

[Anonymous No.531066]

Was he a racist? If so what backs that theory?

[Anonymous No.531068]

>>531066
He wrote a poem, a frickin' poem, about how niggers are crappy.

[Anonymous No.531074]

>>531068
>Implying poems can ever be about outward hate.

[Anonymous No.531077]

>>531058
Bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk

[Anonymous No.531078]

>>531074
They can't be?

[Anonymous No.531082]

>>531068
When he was 14 and living with his aunts.

[Anonymous No.531083]

>>531066

"Horror at Red Hook"

He hated everyone who was not white and lantern-jawed.

[Anonymous No.531087]

>>531078
Well, there can but they're all garbage.

[Anonymous No.531090]

>>531066
He was fairly open about his racism, more so than most at the time, though he was weird about it as well.
He hated Jews, yet he married one (later divorced) and his protege was a Jew.
He talked against Blacks and yet he sort of didn't hate all of them.
He was horrified to find out his grandmother's mother or somesuch was Welsh.

Anyhow race is one of his themes but by no means the only one.

[Anonymous No.531091]

>>531087

So you're saying Lovecraft was incapable of writing garbage?

[Anonymous No.531097]

>>531090
You're trying to talk about Lovecraft's racism succinctly and plainatively. On the Internet. I salute you. Poor bastard.

[Anonymous No.531100]

>>531091
What? Of course not. If he had a poem about his hatred towards something outside of himself then it's garbage. There's never been a poem like that that's been great.

[Anonymous No.531101]

>>531090
I suspect he mellowed in his old age.
>protege
Who got pissy and wouldn't hear a word against the man when people called Lovecraft an anti-semite.

[Anonymous No.531104]

I like his stuff. Some ppl don't. Whatev.

[Anonymous No.531108]

>>531100
>What? Of course not. If he had a poem about his hatred towards something outside of himself then it's garbage. There's never been a poem like that that's been great.

It's narrow minded to rule out the idea.

[Anonymous No.531109]

>>531100
Yes. I prefer poems about the sexual gratification of picking your nose.

[Anonymous No.531115]

>>531108
If you know of any I'd love to read them.

[Anonymous No.531116]

>>531115
I say it's narrow minded to rule out the /idea/ exactly because none come straight to mind.

[Anonymous No.531120]

>>531116
Agreed.

[Anonymous No.531132]

Lovecraft was afraid of vaginas.

[Anonymous No.531143]

>>531132
I think vaginas are ugly and when I see full-frontal nude women, I get the horrible feeling that they've been castrated.

Should I write horror?

[Anonymous No.531145]

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[Anonymous No.531150]

>>531143
Yes. About this subject.

[Anonymous No.531154]

>>531150
Cool. This is the first time someone on /lit/ has told me to write.

[Anonymous No.531802]

As for the Republicans — how can one regard seriously a frightened, greedy, nostalgic huddle of tradesmen and lucky idlers who shut their eyes to history and science, steel their emotions against decent human sympathy, cling to sordid and provincial ideals exalting sheer acquisitiveness and condoning artificial hardship for the non-materially-shrewd, dwell smugly and sentimentally in a distorted dream-cosmos of outmoded phrases and principles and attitudes based on the bygone agricultural-handicraft world, and revel in (consciously or unconsciously) mendacious assumptions (such as the notion that real liberty is synonymous with the single detail of unrestricted economic license or that a rational planning of resource-distribution would contravene some vague and mystical 'American heritage'…) utterly contrary to fact and without the slightest foundation in human experience? Intellectually, the Republican idea deserves the tolerance and respect one gives to the dead.

[SpectralEnigma !!gG9Gy4yNDEo No.531872]

>>531802

He said that? Jawsome.

Lovecraft is a deity. However, that impression might have instilled upon me because the translations of his work in my native tongue have been pruned of most of the descriptions. And yet, his prose seems a bit more eloquent in that language.

[Anonymous No.531877]

>>531802
>>531872
You people are embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.531913]

>>531872

[Anonymous No.531914]

>>531877

Go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.531916]

>>531877
You're that guy who was defending Ayn Rand in that other thread, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.531922]

>>531877

butthurt much?

[Anonymous No.531924]

>>531051
>His writing was also extremely over-elaborate
That's one of the main things I love about his writing: it is so wonderfully over the stop, so brilliantly stylised, you've got to admire his convoluted, artistic articulation. If I wanted to read a poorly worded, straight forward chronologing of events I'd read somebody's livejournal, if I want a fantastical, artistic description of some wondrous beast - Lovecraft.

[Anonymous No.531936]

>>531924

This a thousand times over. It's unfortunate that Lovecraft-bashing has become fashionable for some reason.

[Anonymous No.531946]

Basically Lovecraft has no symbolism, intentionally. Thats why /lit/ would lead you to believe he isn't that good. His horror in the right mood can really set the mood well, and his ideas basically started the "eldritch horror" thing that crops up in everybody's writing after.

If he wasn't good, then he wouldn't be popular.

/lit/ is full of elitist fags who think that reading symbols into nothing makes them good. For a great example of such faggotry watch the south park episode "Scroaty McBoogerballs"

[Anonymous No.531949]

someone post his niggers poem

[Anonymous No.531952]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Necronomicon-Weird-Fiction-Lovecraft-Gollancz/dp/0575081562/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UT
F8&s=books&qid=1270762618&sr=8-1

Is this a safe bet for my first Lovecraft book?

[Anonymous No.531958]

>>531946

>If he wasn't good, then he wouldn't be popular.

[Anonymous No.531961]

Lovecraft had great ideas, but the "big reveal" was always terribly shitty. Some bullshit like "AN INCOMPREHENSIBLE MONSTER THAT I CAN'T DESCRIBE APPEARS." Fuck you, it was a good idea the first time, but the 2490242340th? Fucking Lovecraft.

[Anonymous No.531969]

He's not bad, often fun, but I enjoy wearing these slippers more than actually reading him, to be honest.

Too much eldritch/gibbous/non-Euclidean/etc. for me. And whenever his stockpile of a dozen unusual adjectives fails him he just decides to say that something is too horrible to describe, which is boring to read.

[Anonymous No.531970]

>>531958

oh look you don't like rap that makes it bad?

Elitist faggotry at its finest. I like Lovecraft, others don't, enough people like Lovecraft to make him be deemed "popular" that means hes good enough to have impressed a fairly large proportion of the population.

[Anonymous No.531973]

>>531970

>If he wasn't good, then he wouldn't be popular.

[Anonymous No.531977]

>>531952

Order the penguin collections, the ones with the S.T. Joshi commentary footnotes. Joshi has access to unpublished stories and notes and shit, hes a good source

[Anonymous No.531979]

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[Anonymous No.531981]

>>531973

>I DON'T LIKE IT SO ITS NOT GOOD BAAAAWWWWWWWWWW

[Zahr Dalsk No.531986]

>>531074
When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Iove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.

[Anonymous No.531989]

>>531986
>14 years old
Also he named his cat Nigger-Man.

[Mallest !!4kiduM48C/p No.531995]

Lovecraft's shorter stories are excellent, like The Music of Erich Zann, Rats in the Walls, The White Ship, and, of course, the Call of Cthulu.

I found my enjoyment of his tales decreased the longer they got beyond that point. I read At the Mountains of Madness yesterday, and I found myself entirely disenchanted by the time they found the body of Gaddney. It was practically painful to finish it.

He's still a damn good author, but the stories of his I return to are not his longer works.

[Zahr Dalsk No.531998]

>>531989
>14 years old
Seeing as Lovecraft died in 1937 I'd say his poem's a lot older than that.

[Anonymous No.532005]

>>531981

>If he wasn't good, then he wouldn't be popular.

[Anonymous No.532007]

>>531998
Lovecraft was 14 when he wrote it.

[Anonymous No.532013]

>>531995

I actually liked At the Mountains of Madness more than most of them. Of course it wasn't really "scary" just a cool setting and mood set up

[Anonymous No.532015]

What people need to get is that this isn't standard scary monster slasher horror.

Lovecraft is scary because of the implications psychologically, that nothing we know is true, that we are a tiny speck in a universe which is itself a tiny speck which is just the dream of a dead/insane god who is so powerful as to render all knowledge, all logic, all hope meaningless.

Cthulhu isn't scary because he is going to eat you. Cthulhu is scary because you are below even his slightest notice, and even he is only a lowly priest of true Gods stuck on some backwater planet filled with monkeys who build neat shit out of rocks once in a while. He doesn't even hurt people on purpose, his dreaming projects a psychic field that drives people insane.

Come on people!

[Zahr Dalsk No.532016]

>>532007
Ah.

I should remember that for /v/'s "X achieved Y at Z years of age, what have you done with your life" threads...

[Anonymous No.532033]

Most of his stuff I would describe as well above average horror writing. Only a few of his reach god tier, namely the Music of Eric Zann. I still shit bricks and cum buckets at the same time whenever I read that.

[Anonymous No.532035]

>>532015

Thats it exactly

[Anonymous No.532038]

Scariest in a classical horror sense is Colour out of Space.

[Anonymous No.532042]

>>532015


at least someone gets it.

[Anonymous No.532143]

I've read Call of Cthullhu, Shadow Over Innsmouth and The Dunwich Horror. What should I read next?

[Anonymous No.532155]

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[Anonymous No.532157]

>>532143
Bump

[Anonymous No.532165]

i read it
for teh lulz
conan is good to

[Anonymous No.532174]

>>532143
Depends, personally i'd jump into At the Mountains of Madness (you either love that one or hate it) and then touch some of his Dream Cycle stuff like the Cats of Ulthar or the Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath.
Quest for the Silver Key, Statement of Randolph Carter and what not are great too.

Oh, and the Case of Charles Dexter Ward is pretty badass.

[Anonymous No.532175]

>>532143

The color out of space, The rats in the walls, if your into adventuring rather than unspeakable horros: Dream Quest of unknown Kadath, or Dreams in the Witch house

[Anonymous No.532176]

>>532042

Agreed, scared the pants off me. "The Shunned House" too, freakin haunted house story turns out to be not quite what it seems :3

[Anonymous No.532180]

>>532143
the creation of the nigger

[Anonymous No.532199]

>>532015
Yeah, but how's that at all interesting?

[Anonymous No.532245]

HP's writing style (affected British) drives me up the wall.
But I did like SOME of his stories. The one about an apartment tenant with a neighbor who felt he found a way to live forever was definitely my fave.

[Anonymous No.532255]

>>532245
>HP

That's Mr. Lovecraft to you motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.532264]

I think his ideas are good, but his prose is way too thick sometimes. When I first read Cthulhu, I was expecting more of a monster, for what he described as "horror", but it honestly didn't creep me out at all.

[Anonymous No.532287]

He had a cat named niggerman, come on guise.

[Anonymous No.532299]

>>532287
do you mean that positively or negatively?

[Anonymous No.532314]

>>532299
I am not sure. But i was pretty shocked when i found out. He appears on "Rats in the Walls", i checked out because i found the name funny, and it turns out he actually had a cat named like that.

[Anonymous No.532338]

Play this game... fucking win!
(or, to be more specific, you'll probably fucking lose... a lot)

[Anonymous No.532439]

>>532015
This.

I always thought Lovecraft was an avid lucid dreamer and simply wrote down what he dreamt of.

[Anonymous No.533231]

>>531986
but figure and nigger don't rhyme

[Anonymous No.533275]

Lovecraft has a unique style of pulp horror with a twist. He's got a pretty big following but you have to understand that his shit isn't bone-chilling. Nothing in the horror genre actually scares me, because I'm not a child. His primary method of attempting to elicit fear is emphasizing the "insignificance" of humanity on a cosmic scale. "Cosmic horror" the call it. I just get off on the completely out there nonsense of it all, and especially like the sci-fi what-the-fuck factor.

Lovecraft = unusually wordy pulp horror with a cult following. Cool shit but people have misconceptions of what his shits all about since he's referenced incessantly in the horror genre and some fans make it sound like more than what it actually is.