/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.5291276]

Why didn't you warn me /lit/?

>tfw Odysseus meets his mother in the underworld
>tfw Odysseus meets Telemachus for the first time in 20 years
>tfw Laertes slaving away in rags

So many feelies

[Anonymous No.5291285]

don't forget Odysseus' dog

[Anonymous No.5291293]

I come from Roamer-Town, my home's a famous place,
my father's Unsparing, son of old King Pain,
and my name's Man of Strife...

[Anonymous No.5291400]

>Odysseus able to recall whole conversations exactly the way they happened several years later

Immersion broken

[Anonymous No.5291431]

...you wanted us to warn you about the plot of what is one of the most well-known stories in the Western World?

[Anonymous No.5291665]

>>5291276
We told you to start with the Greeks. If this is feels, just fucking wait for how much fun Greek tragedy is going to be.

>tfw Oresteia

[Anonymous No.5293239]

>>5291285

This. Everytiem this.

[Anonymous No.5293245]

are you gay?

[Anonymous No.5293255]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6JdtB_J60A#t=2m10s

[Anonymous No.5293263]

>>5293245

of course he's not gay, he already told us he's rather depressed

[Anonymous No.5293529]

>>5291276
That feel when you realize that most Greek works tie in with the iliad and the odyssey, and it is all interconnected.

And the most feel story is of course oidipus trilogy

[Anonymous No.5293722]

I have a circe fetish. I w-wish she would transform me into her little piggy

[Anonymous No.5293726]

Argos...

[Anonymous No.5293735]

What sources should I read to read about "Seven against Thebes", Heracles and Iason and the Argonauts?

[Anonymous No.5295777]

>>5291276

Is this a good edition, /lit/erati? I'm worried about buying it in paperback.

[Anonymous No.5295792]

What translation to read first?

[Anonymous No.5295797]

>>5295792
I've only read Samuel Butler's for Illiad and Odyssey. I am not sure how he is regarded though. He seemed fine to me

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>>5295792
Implying you want a beginners? Fagles or Lombardo. No attention to meter or making an otherwise flowery statement.

They have comparison online you could google

[Anonymous No.5295812]

>>5295792
I'm working on Fagles and it seems pretty good so far.

[Anonymous No.5295816]

>>5295805
They're still poetry though right? Not prose?

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>>5295816
I never pay attention to metric poetry and if it rhymes it's an coincidence. To get the original effect you have to learn ancient Greek, and I think we don't know enough about their pronunciation or something.

I'm told Rodney Merrill does an excellent English language metric poetry version.

[Anonymouse !7tLDpBrPEk No.5295849]

>>5291276

Get ready for the other tragedies, opie.

> dat thousand-yard stare
> gat terrible, no-good very bad day for Pentheus
> Orestes' guilt

Goddamn.
tfw you'll never win the City Dionysia

[Anonymous No.5295863]

>>5295805
I compared the two and Lombardo's translation doesn't have any punch to me. Fagles is good, I'll pick it up.

[Anonymous No.5295925]

>>5291276
>getting "feels" from The Odyssey
Seriously, nigger?

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>>5295925
Yes. Seriously.
If you've read it and didn't get any, you did it wrong. Sorry. Maybe another translation.

[Anonymous No.5295967]

>>5295957
Jesus, it's such a basic story, though. I read it more for the appreciation of a long bygone era having such an expansive work available to it. There's nothing particularly "feelsy" about the story.

[Anonymous No.5295968]

I'm a bit confused - wasn't Laertes kind of choosing to work in the gardens in rags, didn't he want this kind of hard life?

[Anonymous No.5295969]

>>5291431

Newer generations need not be ostracized.

[Anonymous No.5295973]

>>5295969
Son, if you're at least 18 and didn't grow up in the ghetto, you know about The Odyssey

[Anonymous No.5295988]

>>5295967
>i read books for the story
>thus i couldn't understand the point of this old book
>let's pretend it's good because it's old

[Anonymous No.5295990]

>>5295973

Elitism hurts new readers enough to go back to prevalent #yoloswag shit.

[Anonymous No.5296025]

>>5295988
>I read books for the story
>I read stories for the story
Y-yes?

[Anonymous No.5296121]

>>5291276
You think that's sad, check out Aeneas and his wife
>Three times his arms wrapped around her, and three times melted through and grasped the air

[Anonymous No.5297123]

>>5295967
How big of a jaded cunt are you?

[Anonymous No.5297154]

>>5295967
you sound like a dull person

[Anonymous No.5297189]

>tfw you will never have a wife who will stay loyal to you after all those years away
>tfw you and your son will never slay your wife's suitors together

[Anonymous No.5297205]

>>5295968
Just because he was no logonger strong enough to get rid of the suitors, I guess.

His act of killing Eupeithes was kind of his redemption. And pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.5297208]

>tfw hipsters try to find relevance in a book written 2500 years ago.

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>>5297208
You know not what you speak of.

[Anonymous No.5297225]

>>5291400
>not understanding that odysseus is bullshitting the phaeacians

also
>tfw no nausicaa gf

[Anonymous No.5297293]

>>5291400
A great story will be remembered far longer than the real story, and inevitably becomes the true story.

Always bullshit. Always shitpost.

[Anonymous No.5297694]

>>5295792
Fagles is a good introduction.
Lattimore is very close from Homer and his translation is used in university courses.
Pope's version might be more Pope than Homer but it is absolutely beautiful.

[Anonymous No.5297712]

What are some of the explicit parallels between this and Joyce's Ulysses? Anyone care to share a few?

[Anonymous No.5297882]

Could someone compare Lattimores with the original greek? Im curious. Tfw dont know ancient greek

[Anonymous No.5297886]

>tfw you'll never understand how the fuck the door locks work

[Anonymous No.5297902]

>tfw you'll never be able to translate it for yourself, even though you've studied ancient greek

[Anonymous No.5297930]

Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns
driven time and again of course, once he had plundered
the hallowed heights of Troy.
Many cities of men he saw and learned their minds,
Many pains he suffered, heartsick on the open sea,
fighting to save his life and bring his comrades home.

Vs.

Tell me, Muse, of the man of many ways, who was driven
far journeys, after he had sacked Troy's sacred citadel.
Many were they whose cities he saw, whose minds he learned of,
many the pains he suffered in his spirit on the wide sea,
struggling for his own life and the homecoming of his companions.

Fagles > Lattimore

[Anonymous No.5297937]

>>5297930
While the second translation is the most faithful, from what I can remember, the first one is by far the most beautiful. Kinda makes me want to read it in English.

[Anonymous No.5297942]

>>5297937
A good direct translation is almost always impossible

A great translator like Fagles will aim for capturing the same emotion

[Anonymous No.5297951]

>>5297942
I know, it's the reason why a translation (in my opinion) is best considered as a work of its own, with its own references and paradigms. Makes for a more satisfying, if you don't compare it with the original.

[Anonymous No.5297956]

tag your fucking spoilers, OP

[Anonymous No.5297962]

>>5297956
It's 2000 years old

[Anonymous No.5298195]

And I, my mind in turmoil, how I longed
to embrace my mother’s spirit, dead as she was!
Three times I rushed toward her, desperate to hold her,
three times she fluttered through my fingers, sifting away
like a shadow, dissolving like a dream, and each time
the grief cut to the heart, sharper, yes, and I,
I cried out to her, words winging into the darkness:
‘Mother—why not wait for me? How I long to hold you!—
so even here, in the House of Death, we can fling
our loving arms around each other, take some joy
in the tears that numb the heart. Or is this just
some wraith that great Persephone sends my way
to make me ache with sorrow all the more?’

[Anonymous No.5298346]

>>5291665
>not Antigone

Who am I kidding, all of them are full of feels

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>>5297962
2800 years old