/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.5250392]

/lit/, I come to you with a heavy heart and a light head. I need to ask you advice not just about books; I also want to ask you opinion of what is essentially bothering me.

I was not much of a current affairs guy but I started recently and I am already in a depressing and brooding mood all day these days.

My country's government is currently leaning towards Hinduism in an obvious manner. There have been many scattered voices across country about shunning the "western" values and bringing back "good, old" tradition we are used to. I see this as repressive and un-modern.

On the other hand, I also feel that liberalism may not necessarily work. Take Sweden; they have fucked up beyond measure, haven't they?

Maybe the world is not ready for a liberal system yet. Maybe we should just stick to simple ideas about sex, love, politics, and people.

Help me, /lit/. What books can I read to understand more about the effects of liberal policies? What books give a balanced view, and maybe even talk in favour of rightist policies?

[Anonymous No.5250406]

repressive AND un-modern you say?

[Anonymous No.5250413]

Get rid of the Neocons

Bring back the Red Tories

Put the browns on the boats and send them out to sea to float

[Anonymous No.5250415]

>>5250406
Yeah, why? Can they not go together? un-modern as in against the whole cultural diversity that has been going on for the last few decades. Repressive as in against individuals because values based on religion is in risk of being forced upon.

[Anonymous No.5250420]

>>5250413
what do you mean by browns?

[Anonymous No.5250427]

Daily reminder to vote UKIP

[Anonymous No.5250430]

>>5250420
They're a football team I believe

[Anonymous No.5250439]

>>5250430
>football
>>>/us/

[Anonymous No.5250442]

OP here. You know, what else bothers me? My country's political parties don't even have a stand in same-sex marriage. Forget marriage. Homosexuality is still a crime here. Countries do change for the better, r-r-right?

[Anonymous No.5250453]

>>5250442
Where do you live?

[Anonymous No.5250459]

>>5250453
India.

[Anonymous No.5250462]

>>5250453
Clearly some paradise not of this earth.

What's it like to take your kids to main street without worrying about a fag parade?

[Anonymous No.5250466]

>>5250462
Do people in developed countries feel oppressed by this progress?

[Anonymous No.5250469]

>>5250462
He gets to worry about rape gangs instead.

>>5250466
Only weirdos who live on the internet

[Anonymous No.5250495]

>>5250442
>implying that's bad
Russia has it going on. I wholeheartedly hope they get their drinking problem under control

[Anonymous No.5250497]

>>5250469
>Only weirdos who live on the internet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR793y5JNRw

[Anonymous No.5250500]

>>5250466
Of course
You're against the gays?
Arrest him for hate speech and put him on a watchlist for having an unpopular opinion and tell the fags to boycott any venture they may have.

Meanwhile fund the networks for more lgbt celebs and coverage

[Anonymous No.5250504]

>>5250466
People who have grown lax and indolent with prosperity generally become paranoid and hostile toward anything that they perceive as threatening to that prosperity, which can include people who look and live different from them.

[Anonymous No.5250510]

>Hinduism
>good
Do they not see the Ganges river and see how no country has such a blatant public toilet?

[Anonymous No.5250519]

>>5250500
So much this. The american left is disgusting

>>5250504
>irrational hostility is due to prosperity
Is that why Africa is such a great place to live?

Idiot.

[Anonymous No.5250529]

>>5250504
>anyone expresses a different set of values than your own
>call them paranoid and pathologise them

this is what's gonna fuck you guys in the long run, only works as a taunt when your ideology is currently in vogue.

[Anonymous No.5250553]

>>5250510
Ehhh I don't buy that.
The Ganges is a shitty scab because india is underdeveloped. The Thames at a similar period of time would've been just as shitty, it's a result of economic factors not one of Hinduism.

[Anonymous No.5250557]

>>5250500
>implying this happens

[Anonymous No.5250561]

>>5250504
this is b8

no one is this dumb

[Anonymous No.5250575]

>>5250557
even if it did happen, who has it worse?
some guy who might lose his job for being an asshole?
or some guy who gets harassed, beaten the shit out of, or killed for being gay?

[Anonymous No.5250578]

the scaremongering against BJP is pretty hilarious. they're pretty harmless neoliberal conservatives.

India's colonial legacy wrt homosexuality is pretty embarrassing. I'm surprised for all it's nationalism they didn't drop that bullshit British Victorian garbage out the door with independence

[Anonymous No.5250586]

>>5250561
true, but sociological and personal anxiety tend cause people to become more conservative

[Anonymous No.5250588]

>>5250578
>British Victorian garbage
Implying it didn't have its merits

Implying something is either all good or all bad

Implying you aren't 16

[Virginia No.5250596]

>>5250392
>Help me, /lit/. What books can I read to understand more about the effects of liberal policies?

Come home, Hindu Man. The Kali Yuga is upon us.

[Anonymous No.5250616]

Sweden is not Liberal, it's Social-democratic. As a matter of fact, they wouldn't have fucked up that much if they were liberal. Democracy is to some extent always the rule of the rabble. A Liberal Democracy is the least lethal in the spectrum because it will not attempt to tell you what to do in cases not related to society. Like sexuality, how you bring up your kids (to some extent at least), whether you have to pay for TV even if you choose not to have one, or whether you have to pay for "security" you don't want to have.

[Anonymous No.5250633]

>>5250578
>muh colonial oppression

Homosexuality wasn't tolerated before the British either you fag, outside of a few religious cults.

[Anonymous No.5250645]

>On the other hand, I also feel that liberalism may not necessarily work. Take Sweden; they have fucked up beyond measure, haven't they?

Are you seriously basing your worldview on /pol/ memes?

[Anonymous No.5250654]

>Maybe the world is not ready for a liberal system yet.

pfffthahaha

The entire world needs to come together and force North Americans to use political terms properly

[Anonymous No.5250671]

>>5250392
>pic related

The solution to your problem is to come to Canada! Hundreds of thousands of shitskins just like you get shipped in every year, and the Liberals are going to win the next election because our population is full of borderline retarded soft leftists who love a pretty face, so that number is set to increase!

Canada: Like Sweden but with extra-judicial kangaroo courts to prosecute speech shitskins don't like!

Here's a great poem about how great Canada is for people like you:

I cross ocean,
poor and broke,
Take bus,
see employment folk.

Nice man treat me
good in there,
Say I need to
see welfare.

Welfare say,
"You come no more,
We send cash
right to your door."

Welfare checks,
they make you wealthy,
Free Medical it keep
you healthy!

By and by,
I got plenty money,
Thanks to you,
Canadian dummy.

Write to friends
in motherland,
Tell them 'come
fast as you can.'

They come in turbans
and Ford trucks,
I buy big house
with welfare bucks.

They come here,
we live together,
More welfare checks,
it gets better!

Fourteen families,
they moving in,
But neighbour's patience wearing thin.

Finally, white guy
moves away,
Now I buy his house,
and then I say,


"Find more aliens
for house to rent."
And in the yard
I put a tent.

Send for family
they just trash,
But they, too,
draw the welfare cash!

Everything is
very good,
And soon we
own the neighbourhood.

We have hobby --
it's called breeding,
Welfare pay
for baby feeding.

Kids need dentist?
Wife need pills?
We get free!
We got no bills!

Canadian crazy!
He pay all year,
To keep welfare
running here.

We think Canada
darn good place!
Too darn good for
the white man race.

If they no like us,
they can scram,
Got lots of room in
Pakistan.

[Anonymous No.5250675]

>>5250553
But the Thames was never seen as a graveyard... in Hinduism, the corpses are left in the river, correct ?

Anyways OP, I recommend that you read some Christopher Lasch and Cornelius Castoriadis, whom are critics of the liberal ideology.
Some of Orwell's early essays, such as The Lion and the Unicorn, offer an interesting critic of liberalism and an apology of a conservative socialist system.

You can also dwell in Perenialism/Traditionnalism and read the rambling of reactionnaries europeans like this guy jokingly suggested:
>>5250596

[Anonymous No.5250676]

Hi /pol/, please stay in this thread, thanks.

-/lit/

[Anonymous No.5250688]

>>5250616
>social-democrat
>not liberal

[Anonymous No.5250691]

>>5250676
>if you aren't a progressive you're from /pol/

OK.

[Anonymous No.5250694]

OP sounds mind-numbingly stupid

[Anonymous No.5250709]

>>5250688
Do you know the real meaning of liberal ?

[Anonymous No.5250710]

>>5250694
>shitskin from India

What else should one expect?

[Anonymous No.5250723]

>>5250676
Hi autist

please apply some soothing cream to your ravaged sphincter. its making you disagreeable and unpleasant

-/lit/

[Anonymous No.5250728]

Conservatism only exists in reaction to progression. It is a defend mechanism developed to protect the interest of those benefited by the previous order.

[Anonymous No.5250739]

>tfw your capital city resembles 14th century Delhi

THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIC KIND OF TRAIN I WISH WOULD RUN ON TIME

[Anonymous No.5250750]

>>5250645
In terms of immigration/multiculturalism they're still doing far better than France, Britain, USA, Canada and other new world or ex-colonial countries.

Sweden can choose to embrace the exponential growth brought on by immigration, with the ethnic tensions etc., and become a liberal-multicultural powerhouse akin to America, or choose to remain a small, egalitarian and worry-free society albeit irrelevant. Capital is screaming for the former, and the commoner is screaming for the latter. That's how I perceive Sweden's problems.

[Anonymous No.5250758]

>>5250392
Part of the problem in discussing the issue of modern liberalism is the very word itself. It is inherently ambiguous in its meaning, and can be seen as denoting two very different political outlooks. Oftentimes, when one aspect of liberalism is criticized, liberals avoid addressing the criticism directly and instead defend the other potential definition.

On one hand, you have the original liberalism going back to the philosophical tradition of guys like Locke, which favors the rights of the individual over societal control. On the other hand, you have the progressives, a sort of cancerous Marxist ideology that hijacked the liberal brand name about a century ago. They care nothing for the individual and are the one who push diversity and oppose traditional values.

In modern political discourse, the left often pursues the goals of the progressives while cloaking itself in the rhetoric of the older more individualist liberalism, so that while they are in fact destroying our national identities and cultures, they appear in the media as champions of the rights of the downtrodden.

Fuck them. Reactionary revolution now!

[Anonymous No.5250780]

>>5250739
and what train is that?

[Anonymous No.5250785]

>>5250392
You don't think reactionary politics can help your country, and you think liberalism doesn't work? Sounds like you don't want Rightist policies at all. Look into Leftist politics, trends of certainly exist in India though they are repressed.

[Anonymous No.5250797]

>>5250616
Sweden's been liberal since the 70s, which is incidentally when they implemented immigration policies designed to fuck them over.
For the last 8 years they've had a neoliberal coalition in power and they've increased immigration of third-world dependents to unparallelled levels.

[Anonymous No.5250805]

>>5250750
What "growth" brought on by immigration? Denmark's government studied this very issue and determined that non-European immigrants were a net loss for the economy. The leftist response to this was to change tack and claim that immigration needed to consider more than just economic factors. I think it's pretty obvious at this point that progressives, for whatever reason, just want more non-white immigrants shipped into white countries and they're willing to say anything to get the plebs to go along with it.

Sweden can't be possibly be so different from Denmark that all of the above doesn't apply...

BTW, if we're mentioning America, a recent report by the Center for Immigration Studies showed that all net job growth since 2000 had gone to immigrants. That means there are fewer native-born Americans with jobs in 2014 than there were in 2000, but there are an additional 14 million immigrants who manifestly did not benefit the natives economically in the way it was claimed they would. Again, it seems, for whatever reason, progressives just want more non-whites in white countries and are willing to say anything to get the plebs to go along with it.

[Anonymous No.5250806]

>>5250691
notice that this thread has nothing to do with literature of any kind and is full of morons saying "shitskin" and that Sweden is a failure? you're shitting up the place, and then whine like a liberal that you have the right to shit wherever you want when someone calls you out.

[Anonymous No.5250807]

>>5250575
>implying those are the only choices

[Anonymous No.5250808]

>>5250750
>Sweden can choose to embrace the exponential growth brought on by immigration, with the ethnic tensions etc., and become a liberal-multicultural powerhouse akin to America
So in other words they would gain absolutely nothing?

[Anonymous No.5250813]

>>5250750
Immigration to Scandinavia is a huge net-deficit. The actively lose money into their economy from their intake.

[Anonymous No.5250820]

>>5250805
>Sweden can't be possibly be so different from Denmark that all of the above doesn't apply...
Sweden actually loses more than Denmark. Estimated to be around 8% of their GDP yearly.

[Anonymous No.5250823]

>>5250575
/pol/'s paranoid insecurity about their fear that they'll no longer be /more/ equal then the other animals is somewhere between frightening and hilarious. I only wish I could say they were a species on the way out, but they keep clinging on.

[Anonymous No.5250825]

>>5250806
So report and hide the thread instead of contributing to the vitriol you retard.

[Anonymous No.5250830]

>>5250825
You're the retard, retard!

[Anonymous No.5250834]

>>5250805
>>5250813
With generous welfare policies in place, sure. Going into liberal powerhouse mode implies doing away with those policies in favor of American-style individualism. That's precisely my point, either remain a tiny welfare society or huge rat race society.

>>5250808
Power is power m8

[Anonymous No.5250840]

If 2% of the world's population's sexual biases is the most important issue you can think of you're clearly mentally deficient and shouldn't be allowed a say in society in the first place.

[Anonymous No.5250847]

>>5250834
>doing away with those policies in favor of American-style individualism.
Scandinavian states are ethno-states. Individualism is a joke and a half in those (if they weren't already) thanks to insider-outsider theory.
>That's precisely my point, either remain a tiny welfare society or huge rat race society.
Why choose either?
They can keep going at their current rate and become a huge welfare society like Japan.

[Anonymous No.5250851]

>>5250825
Why would I do that? I want to let them know their diarrhea is all over their pants, "retard"!

[Anonymous No.5250852]

>>5250834
>Power is power m8
Why would you want power for a state that isn't working in your ethnic people's favour?
That's practically just a religion.

[Anonymous No.5250854]

>>5250840
Neocon hawks in America are already using defense of LGBT rights as an excuse to meddle in other nations' affairs.

How long will it be before they start bombing and sanctioning countries that don't have the "correct" views, I wonder?

[Anonymous No.5250855]

>>5250805
>the brown people just come in and take our jorbs and the lefties just let it happen!!!!!
>"studies say..."
Simple answers for simple people

[Anonymous No.5250869]

>>5250855
What does this even mean.

I'm citing factual data and you respond with this incoherent strawman.

I repeat: for whatever reason progressives like this person just want more non-whites in white countries and are willing to say absolutely anything to get the plebs to go along with it. Shipping in more and more non-whites has become an end in itself for these people.

[Anonymous No.5250870]

>>5250847
>Scandinavian states are ethno-states
That's what they're trying to change, dammit. Are you listening to me? Liberal-multicultural society, as in the opposite of welfare and nationstate.
>They can keep going at their current rate and become a huge welfare society like Japan.
They actually can't grow to Japan's size with their current population, which as far as I know would even decline without immigration. That's another problematic aspect.
>>5250852
I don't set global trends/ideology so I can't really answer that. That's what we've learned to crave.

[Anonymous No.5250873]

>>5250854
>How long will it be before they start bombing and sanctioning countries that don't have the "correct" views, I wonder?
Around the 1940's to the 1950's, and I wager they won't stop once they've started.

[Anonymous No.5250889]

>>5250671
what is it with the retarded american-style canadians shitting up /lit/?

[Anonymous No.5250895]

>>5250873
At least post WWII interventionism was recognisably a geo-political struggle between two major powers. Any bombing they start doing in the name of LGBT rights will be in the service of absolutely nothing but the new religion of equality.

[Anonymous No.5250907]

>>5250870
>That's what they're trying to change, dammit.
They're not actually trying to change anything.
Most of the immigration bullshit is "humanitarianism" and disgusting-ass cosmopolitanism enforced on the people by segregated middle-class bureacrats. You don't become America by importing third-world analphabet somalis to live on welfare.
>They actually can't grow to Japan's size with their current population
Sure they can. It won't happen in one generation but it's not hard to do at all, many of them used to be millions more in the past.
>which as far as I know would even decline without immigration.
Most of them are above replacement rate for the natives actually.

[Anonymous No.5250908]

>>5250869
>What does this even mean.
That's exactly the question to be asked regarding this nonsense about "non-white" immigrants (less than 10% of the population) having a deciding factor in how the North European countries are functioning by being "non-white".

[Anonymous No.5250911]

>>5250633
nope. nice try cracker

[Anonymous No.5250918]

>>5250895
>new religion of equality
Please kill yourself. The last "modern" nation in the world to struggle with recognizing gay marriage is going to bomb countries for gay rights? Please kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.5250926]

>>5250908
>b-b-but muh "facts"

[Anonymous No.5250940]

>>5250908
Are you retarded?

It's an indisputable fact that non-white immigrants have been a net loss for Scandinavian economies while white European immigrants have been a net gain. If mass immigration was really about "economic benefits" as progressive elites continually assure the masses, then all immigration from net loss countries would be cut off. I never said anything about "a deciding in how North European countries are functioning" I simply stated the fact that they non-white immigrants are a drain on the economy. You're putting words in my mouth.

I present exhibit A: more purposeful misunderstanding and devious little word games and fallacies by progressives in service of the one goal they are fervently pursuing at all costs: more non-whites shipped into white countries, hundreds of thousands every year, in perpetuity.

[Anonymous No.5250945]

>>5250918
>Please kill yourself
>The LAST modern...
>Please kill yourself

buttmad fag enabler detected

[Anonymous No.5250947]

>>5250907
They sell it as "humanitarianism" but it's pretty obvious that they're trying to turn "Swedish" into some ambiguous title like in the new world. Even America is primarily American but if we look into the definition of American we see that it's very broad. That's what they're trying to accomplish.

[Anonymous No.5250993]

>>5250392
read thorstein veblen, early 20th century syndicalism, georges sorel and stuff — personally I like all kinds of proto-fascistic notions from the time it was inseparated from fascism.

[Anonymous No.5251000]

>>5250940
>It's an indisputable fact
Can immigrants be simultaneously "a drain on the economy" and while not impeding them? Or is this just more word games?

[Anonymous No.5251001]

>>5250947
inb4 this thread gets shouted down with

GO BACK 2 POL GO BACK 2 POL

So progressive. So open minded. So /lit/

[Anonymous No.5251009]

>>5251000
You are not making any sense.

[Anonymous No.5251015]

>>5251001
why are you quoting me

[Anonymous No.5251018]

>>5250993
aw shit, I had to say "inseparated from socialism"

I mean, anti-fascists were at some point in the same boat with the fascists. Check "arditi del popolo" they were the same black shirts from fiume.

[Anonymous No.5251019]

>>5251000
brah do you actually have any facts to present or are you just going to spamming ebin bane maymays?

[Anonymous No.5251026]

>>5251015
because im drunk

my apologies, continue on friend

[Anonymous No.5251027]

>>5250940
Non-white immigrants have been a boon to Singapore's economy now making up almost 1/3 of their population though the way they handle immigration is totally different then Sweden.

[Anonymous No.5251044]

>>5251027
citation needed

[Anonymous No.5251049]

>>5251009
Even with the typo you should understand it, but you seem to get confused easily so I'll rewrite it:
>Can immigrants be simultaneously "a drain on the economy" while not impeding [the economies of North Europe]?
Is this easier to understand?

>>5251019
>If I keep saying what I say are "facts" then everyone will simply go along with what I say!

[Anonymous No.5251099]

>>5251044
See http://theconversation.com/riots-in-singapore-as-it-struggles-to-juggle-growth-and-migration-21387

It has resulted in growth but at the same time created a good amount of backlash which is why they are now limiting it. I don't think that mass immigration can last for Singapore though.

[Anonymous No.5251104]

>>5251044
>>5251099
Also see http://www.vdare.com/posts/singapore-for-singaporeans-singapore-chooses-immigration-limits

>Singapore is willing to accept slower growth as a trade-off for social stability as it aims to keep down the number of foreigners working in the city-state, Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam told Reuters.

[Anonymous No.5251110]

>>5251049
What the fuck are you talking about? Non-white immigrants are a net loss for Scandinavian countries. They are, thus, IMPEDING the economies of Northern Europe.

What you claimed I said was that non-white immigrants are a "deciding factor" in how Northern European economies are functioning. I never said that they were a "deciding factor" in anything. I simply stated that they were a net loss to the economy and that therefore, since mass immigration programs are predicated on economic benefit, immigration from non-white countries should be halted. Is English not your first language?

[Anonymous No.5251144]

>>5251110
>a "white" heroine addicted snow slav is a better immigrant than a "brown" PhD student

[Anonymous No.5251147]

>>5251049
>>If I keep saying what I say are "facts" then everyone will simply go along with what I say!

Average new immigrant to Sweden represents net loss of $20 500 US dollars:

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3440952?uid=3737720&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104565146503

Denmark's government saves $10 billion dollars by restricting non-white immigration:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/putting-a-price-on-foreigners-strict-immigration-laws-save-denmark-billions-a-759716.html


All employment growth in America since 2000 went to immigrants. The number of native-born Americans out of work has increased by 17 million since 2000:

http://cis.org/all-employment-growth-since-2000-went-to-immigrants


Oops, I guess leftists consider facts and statistics oppressive, lol.

[Anonymous No.5251161]

>>5251110
>Is English not your first language?
You can't be this dense, can you? Any impediment to a thing decides how well that thing functions. Do you understand what these words mean and how they relate to each other? Do you not understand what a "drain" is, what an impediment is, what these means?

[Anonymous No.5251167]

>>5251144
>muh strawman

How many of the Somalis that Sweden is importing are graduate students?

[Anonymous No.5251179]

>>5251167
Then shouldn't your distinction be "third world" immigrants? What does race or skin color have anything to do with it?

[Anonymous No.5251192]

>>5251161
You are simply making no sense at all at this point. Please respond directly to my points about the net negative impact of non-white immigrants on Scandinavian economies, and kindly refrain from putting any more words in my mouth. Or fuck off and go shitpost in the marxist thread.

[Anonymous No.5251215]

>>5251179
A 1 in 10 000 exception to a rule is not significant. Poor Slavs are not allowed into Denmark either. The point is that even WITH selection criteria, non-white immigrants represent a net drain on the economy.

[Anonymous No.5251221]

>>5251215
see
>>5251179

[Anonymous No.5251237]

>>5251192
Is this honky serious?

[Anonymous No.5251245]

>>5251221
>Only those who collect enough "points" may come to Denmark in the future -- with points being determined by factors such as academic qualifications and proof of language proficiency. In addition, the equivalent of €13,000 must be deposited with the state in the form of a bank guarantee to cover any future public assistance. Socially deprived areas with a disproportionately high number of immigrants will be subject in future to a so-called "ghetto strategy" designed to prevent high concentrations of foreigners in public housing areas. Migrants will be assigned housing, and three-year-old children who do not speak Danish well enough will be required to attend state child care.

If a non-white has a Ph.D and speaks Danish well he will probably be allowed in because he will score high on the points system. It's been dealt with. Denmark will simply no longer allow large numbers of non-whites in, because they have cost the economy billions of euros.

[Anonymous No.5251254]

>>5251245
>not reading my post
what does skin color have to do with it

[Anonymous No.5251264]

>>5251254
Non-white = non-European.

[Anonymous No.5251265]

>>5251167
All immigrants to the US have a higher attainment rate of degrees and ph.d.s than Native-born Americans.

[Anonymous No.5251267]

>>5251215
where are you getting these "facts"?

[Anonymous No.5251269]

>>5251264
But russians are white and non european.

>>5251265
OOHHHHHHHAAHAHAHAHA UFKIN RKET

[Anonymous No.5251280]

>>5251265
See:

>all employment growth since 2000 has gone to immigrants

Why is the native-born population being shafted in favor of these highly-qualified immigrants who could get jobs in their own country...? There isn't even reciprocity. Do other countries allow massive numbers of America immigrants each year? Mexico has some of the most restrictive immigration laws in the world. I'm sure you see the irony.

>>5251267

See:
>>5251147

[Anonymous No.5251292]

>>5251280
But we're a nation of immigrants. YOUR ancestors immigrated here.

[Anonymous No.5251303]

>>5251292
And?

[Anonymous No.5251307]

>>5251303
Don't play dumb

[Anonymous No.5251309]

>>5251292
Everyone's ancestors immigrated to their country at one point or another. Please explain why the fact that some people immigrated at one point in time means that immigration must continue in perpetuity.

[Anonymous No.5251318]

>>5251307
No seriously, and?

[Anonymous No.5251322]

>>5251292
>But we're a nation of immigrants.

KEK

We're a nation of EUROPEAN immigrants. My ancestors immigrated here from EUROPE. I'm perfectly fine with more people from EUROPE immigrating here.

[Anonymous No.5251329]

>>5250654
It's because things are extremely polarized in the United States. I believe in nationalism and keeping immigrants out, but I also believe in having a free and good health care system. You aren't allowed to hold both those views with the party system here.

[Anonymous No.5251332]

>>5251318
No seriously, don't play dumb

[Anonymous No.5251335]

>>5251147
>>5251147
>one study's abstract, no actual information provided
>one newspaper with no sources, no mention of "non-whites" anywhere
>a site basically saying immigrants to America are keeping their economy afloat

Even if we accept your narrative about immigrants, you're ignoring the simply fact taht participants at the bottom of the economy aren't the guys that are accumulating capital and deciding where it flows to. You're not asking questions: why are people immigrating to these countries and why can't they find reasonable work? Why would being "non-white" have anything to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.5251337]

I don't understand, why do you have to have a linear, left-right view of everything? Human virtues are, and always have been, variegated. Please do not be brainwashed.

[Anonymous No.5251339]

>>5251322
> I'm perfectly fine with more people from EUROPE immigrating here.

Really? No matter their number or education you would be fine as long as they were European?

[Anonymous No.5251347]

>>5250575
>Yeah who has it worse?
>Some guy who doesn't have free speech in the actual break of the clause and gets arrested because hate speech
>Or some faggot who got a mean look from someone and went on the news to talk about mean people

See how easy it is to narrow down a choice with a biased answer?

That's what them law boys call leading the witness

[Anonymous No.5251354]

>>5251339
Not all immigrants are created equal

[Anonymous No.5251356]

>>5251339
We currently let in ~1 000 000 legal immigrants each year. I would be fine with 1 000 000 new European immigrants each year, selected exactly as they are now with non-white immigrants. If there aren't 1 000 000 Europeans who want to immigrate, that's fine, the population is already growing faster than the number of jobs. Companies can take it upon themselves to train some of those 8% of un-employed American citizens.

[Anonymous No.5251368]

>>5251356
Also every single illegal needs to be rounded up and forcibly deported. Those people make a mockery of legal immigration. And the military needs to be on the southern border. What good is our gigantic military budget if the military can't even secure our borders against a horde of Guatemalan peasants?

[Anonymous No.5251376]

>>5251280
>Why is the native-born population being shafted in favor of these highly-qualified immigrants who could get jobs in their own country...?
The immigrants aren't necessarily highly qualified when they arrive, though the ones that are obviously get to American universities because they are highly-qualified (ie: rich) and, like Americans, buy their way into the system. The poor immigrants get in because they excel in studies. The native-born population is "getting shafted" because American capitalism wanted and received undereducated, under-served, impoverished subjects to continue capital accumulation in select areas.

[Anonymous No.5251402]

>>5250392
Sweden seems like an odd example for fucked up beyond measure unless you view failure as having any Muslim immigrants.

Oh yeah, you're Indian

[Anonymous No.5251403]

immigrants are fine
gays are not

[Anonymous No.5251413]

>>5251403
So fuck the working class AND fuck the oppressed sexual minorities?

[Anonymous No.5251419]

>>5251413
>oppressed sexual minorities

[Anonymous No.5251434]

>>5251413
Shove your bourgeois identity politics up your ass buddy

[Anonymous No.5251446]

itt: right wing butthurt
hahahaha
stay mad

[Anonymous No.5251465]

>>5251413
>oppressed sexual minorities

[Anonymous No.5251479]

>>5251434
>thinks immigrants and the wage depression they create are just dandy thanks
>derides someone else as bourgeois

What actual union leader on the ground supports immigration. Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.5251488]

>>5251479
Union leaders sold out long ago friend.

[Anonymous No.5251509]

>>5251479
Proletarian internationalism doesn't work if the immigrant isn't consciousness himself and continues to be spooked by bourgeois ideology.

[Anonymous No.5251550]

>>5250758
Underrated post