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Has /lit/ read or watch welcome to the NHK? Is there any serious lit that tackles the same themes?

>> No.5247333

>>5247330
NFU, the original NHK

>> No.5247338

>>5247330
Notes from the Underground

>> No.5247340

>Is there any serious lit that tackles the same themes?
Not in the same manner, or about the same worthless faggots.

Welcome to the NHK is such absolute fucking tripe I don't know why it gets held in such high regard. Is it just the weeb dream or something? To be a worthless sack of shit that gets involved with some emotionally damaged girl?

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>>5247340
The majority of weebs mostly overlook how the girl-from-nowhere is a horrendous human being herself though and think the ending to NHK is a positive one.

>> No.5247351

>>5247340
>Welcome to the NHK is such absolute fucking tripe I don't know why it gets held in such high regard. Is it just the weeb dream or something? To be a worthless sack of shit that gets involved with some emotionally damaged girl?

What are you on about? The whole point of the romance and Misaki's character was to setup a metanarrative concerning anime/mang/vn and such things in the otaku subculture. It's even paralled to in the beginning when they begin to write the ero game.

>> No.5247354

>>5247351
That has literally nothing to do with anything
You're looking at pine needles.

>> No.5247357

>>5247330
the novel is fine.
the manga is funny.
the anime is fuckig horrible.

>> No.5247368

>>5247354

It couldnt be more obvious. Yamazaki explains to Sato what the ero users (ie. Otakus and the such) want in the ero games girls. He tells him, the girls arent suppose to be based on reality and are suppose to bring about a sense of innocence and comfort that they'll never betray the user. When Sato hears this he and us (the viewer) immediately notice the parallel between the kind of game the users (the otaku) want and the kind of girl Misako appears to be. It's meta as fuck.

>> No.5247372

>>5247340
>Is it just the weeb dream or something? To be a worthless sack of shit that gets involved with some emotionally damaged girl?
That is a dream for many that indulge in anime, games, etc and it is fulfilled, but not in NHK. At least not in the usual manner.

>> No.5247377

At first I was watching this thinking it was the one where loli aliens come out of nowhere for the ending and make the whole thing some kind of fucked-up metaphor for losing WWII and being bombed irreparably destroying the Japanese gestalt psyche, but then I learned it wasn't and lost interest.
What's the one I was talking about? I kinda want to watch that a bit now.

>> No.5247384

>>5247377

2deep4u. You're not ready.

>> No.5247388

>>5247357

The anime wasnt bad by any means. It had quite some QUALITY, but it was as good as an adaption as it gets. It's not just to compare it to the novel.

>> No.5247393

>>5247377
This sounds intresting.

>> No.5247408

>>5247388
i mean bad because there were a lot of parts that were cut.

like yamazaki and the qt trap.

>> No.5247438

>>5247377
neon genesis evangelion

>> No.5247456

>>5247438
That's been on my backlog for too long, currently watching The Melancholy of a Stuck-up Cunt.

>> No.5247490

>>5247456
>calling Haruhi a cunt
wow rude

>> No.5247491

>Welcome to the NHK

Okay, I hate anime in general already, but holy fuck, NHK is up there with Madoka and Haruhi Suzumiya as the worst things I've ever sat all the way through. Its thanks to those three things I pretty much realized that the anime industry is fucking stupid, so I guess they aren't all bad.

>> No.5247495

>>5247491
>Its thanks to those three things I pretty much realized that the anime industry is fucking stupid
That was Metal Gear Solid for me. But for vidya. I'm still thankful for it.

>> No.5247503

>>5247495
I'm sorry, MGS2.

>> No.5247510

>>5247491
>hate anime
>post in an anime image board
damn

>> No.5247511

>>5247491
did you like Cowboy Bebop

>> No.5247512

>>5247495
Oh, I actually have fun with MGS because of the gameplay, but yea, I compeletely dropped vidya pretty much as well. Its /lit/ and patrician films all the way from here, and I couldn't be happier.

>> No.5247514

>>5247491
>Madoka
>worst things I've ever sat all the way

You couldn't be more pleb. Honestly, you're already pretty low on the totem pole for watching anime, but Madoka is easily the best it has to offer in terms of direction, music, and subtext, and if you can't see that then you're an uberpleb

>> No.5247519

>>5247514
>Madoka is easily the best it has to offer in terms of direction, music, and subtext

No that would be Satoshi Kon's movies and some other stuff. Madoka is alright but it's nowhere near the best.

>> No.5247524

>>5247514
Back to /a/, babbie. Madoka is above average at best.

>> No.5247526

>>5247514
>Honestly, you're already pretty low on the totem pole for watching anime
Why is this a thing? I'm not some otaku or anything. I've seen Akira, and when I was a kid I saw DBZ and Rurouni Kenshin. Everyone I knows did, because we all had Toonami.

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HEY GUYS DO YOU LIKE PSYCHO PASS? IT HAS BOOKS ON IT!

>> No.5247536

>>5247535
Welcome to the NHK is a novel.

>> No.5247543

>>5247524
>Back to /a/, babbie.
I better not be hearing that from some AoT/Sword Art Online underaged faggot

>>5247519
No
Madoka will forever be referenced to as the new Evangelion

>> No.5247550

>>5247524
Post a better one.

>> No.5247553

>>5247524
It's a good illustration of the concept of reincarnation-as-hell in Buddhism and a different perspective, maybe western influenced, of reincarnation-as-challenge to be met.

>> No.5247554

>>5247526
probably because a majority of anime is dreck

You can pick one from a list of what people think is good, but if you had a list of anime series from the last two years and picked one from a random draw, it's very likely you'll pick a shitty one

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>>5247550

>> No.5247559

>>5247535
how does one get smiles from the ladies?

>> No.5247560

>>5247554
But that's everything. In fact, I'd say that books have a far higher percentage of dreck, considering the lower cost of entry.

>> No.5247561

>>5247553
...note that when I say "in Buddhism," I mean something closer to "Buddhistdom," the culture produced by both interpretations and misinterpretations of the Buddhist religion.

>> No.5247562

>>5247377


when they cry?

>> No.5247564

>>5247512
What would you consider a patrician film from this year? Just curious.

>> No.5247565

>>5247550
Penguindrum

>> No.5247569

>>5247565
Penguindrum is nowhere near as good as Utena.

>> No.5247570

>>5247564
Not him, but Guardians of the Galaxy.

>> No.5247571

>>5247569
That's better too.

>> No.5247572

>>5247511
Cowboy Bebop is decent. Not one of my favorites, but not bad at all.

>>5247514
Shut the fuck up. All of you faggots that like that gay loli witch shit are just giving it a pass because its an anime. Madoka isn't even good at being a dark take on the Magical Girl genre. Go watch Revolutionary Girl Utena, one of my favorite anime. Utena surpasses Madoka in everything from "direction, music, and subtext". Utena actually takes many elements of Magical Girl and bi-shoujo works, notably Sailor Moon and Rose of Versailles, such as the one-per-episode transformation and the seemingly evil body of class presidents who all get their own arc. The allusions and art style, such as the transitional shadow puppet, also goes to show how much more thought went into the direction of Utena than Fagica Madorka.

The music in Utena is amazing and filled with allusions to works ranging from Paradise Lost to William Shakespeare, and synch to what is occuring in the show gracefully.

"A wet-nurse and a midwife in a dark desert
A gold-gilded Shangri-La
Day and night turning in on each other
A time-gilded lost paradise"

Would take ten of these posts to rant about the subtext in Utena. Mainly Freudian concepts, but sex is never explicity seen. The show itself is about a girl who wants to be a prince and themes on gender and transgenderism are often brought up.

This is why I hate anime but especially anime fans. They waste their time bothering with the lowest of the low medium and they don't even bring up any of the actual good stuff.

>>5247564
Tarr Béla: I Used to Be a Filmmaker

>> No.5247573

>>5247560
>In fact, I'd say that books have a far higher percentage of dreck
Shhhh you'll give /lit/ an even harsher existential crisis

That's why pseudo intellectuals try to splinter it off into categories
>n-n-no that's g-genre fiction
>n-no that's a short story collection
>n-n-n-no that poetry
>n-no that philospher was a hack
etc etc

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>>5247570

>> No.5247575

>>5247553
Cute

>> No.5247582

>>5247572
>Tarr Béla: I Used to Be a Filmmaker

2013

>> No.5247584

>>5247553
is more like faust.

>> No.5247586

>>5247572
>This is why I hate anime but especially anime fans. They waste their time bothering with the lowest of the low medium and they don't even bring up any of the actual good stuff.

Like two or three people have already mentioned Utena and Penguindrum in this thread though.

Also somebody has to waste time with the shitty stuff when sifting through everything to find out what's good and what isn't. How are you supposed to know if something is good if you haven't seen it first? You don't, you just listen to what the people who came before you say is good. The same people you criticize for wasting time on what isn't good.

>> No.5247592

>>5247572
>Revolutionary Girl Utena

That shit is old and not kawaii.

>> No.5247597

>>5247582
Oh my bad, could have sworn it was 2014. I guess I wouldn't consider any of the 2014 movies I've seen patrician. If you want to see something that's probably still in theaters and is kinda smarter than the typical popcorn flick, go watch Edge of Tomorrow. Don't turn away just because of Tom Cruise.

>> No.5247598

>>5247597
>edge of tomorrow
>watching that shit
>not reading all you need is kill

Fucking dumb fucker.

>> No.5247599

>>5247377
Strike Witches?

>> No.5247605

Worthwhile anime series of 2014 so far:

>Ping Pong: The Animation
>Mushishi
>Kill la Kill
>Zankyou no Terror
>Samurai Flamenco

I might have missed one or two though.

>> No.5247606

>>5247598
Yes, but we were talking about movies released this year.

>> No.5247607

>>5247597
I've seen Edge of Tomorrow. It was good but you should know it was based on a light novel.

You see Snowpiercer or The Raid 2? Thanks for not saying Under the Skin by the way.

>> No.5247611

>>5247605
gb2 >>>/a/

No one here is autistic enough to like any of that shti.

>> No.5247615

>>5247605
I liked Knights of Sidonia.

>> No.5247616

>>5247611
What? Everyone in this thread is talking about anime.

>> No.5247618

>>5247605
>Kill la Kill
>Samurai Flamenco
That's 2013, d00d.

>> No.5247622

>>5247535
The hilarious part about Psycho Piss is while Whitehair guy and Black hair guy ramble on about how edgy they are the fucking moe detective actually has to go and fix everything

>> No.5247625

>>5247618
like over half of them aired in 2014 so I counted them as 2014.

>> No.5247630

>>5247572
>Utena
Ugh and here we have the typical /a/ hipster who has to hate because weaboos have this obsession with skeret klubs

>Utena surpasses Madoka in everything from "direction, music, and subtext".
>argues by saying "well the music is AMAZING in this"
>on an imageboard
I'll leave it to anyone who cares to compare the two

>The allusions and art style
Were excellent in Madoka, you had Russian imagery all over the place, and German folk influences over the rest to coincide with the witches space.

>The show itself is about a girl who wants to be a prince and themes on gender and transgenderism are often brought up.
Yes I can see how you'd relate

>Paradise Lost
Can be applied to Madoka
>Shakespeare
Can literally be applied to anything thanks to Hamlet

It just took one post to mention THE single biggest anime hit of the decade to get a sperglord to pedantically attach everything that was complimented to one popular work and to find an earlier work in its genre to shout "Look at me! I knew of this first!"

This shit happened way back during Gurren Langann as well, you had everyone praise it then the autists shouting
>muh Getter

>This is why I hate anime but especially anime fans
The irony is not lost on me

I'm sure you would've impressed an unread teen with your allusions to muh Shakespeare without them knowing how universal he is. Fucking ridiculous.

>> No.5247636

>>5247630
Utena isn't the same genre and isn't anything like Madoka, but it is better.

>> No.5247638

>>5247491
It's an apt example of the hikki lifestyle, I don't get why you think it was stupid.

>> No.5247641

The lack of Bakemonogatari is sad.

Nisioisin is probably the closest anime author that's /lit/ relevant, but with the least amount of translations.

>> No.5247643

>>5247641
monogatari is just fanservice tho

>> No.5247649

>>5247636
Yes but I had to reply in the same context that this edgelord did

>> No.5247651

>>5247630
Put some work into it, nigga.

>> No.5247655

>>5247607
No, those aren't really my types of movie.

>>5247630
>thinking I care enough to read your post about some gay moeblob little girl witch shit

>> No.5247658

/a/ is shit, what are some 2deep4u animes that will keep me enthralled the way NGE did (I don't care if that makes me pleb, I watch anime for fun).

Adding Utena to the list. I've seen Madoka already.

>> No.5247661

>>5247655
>I wanted to smart smart on /lit/ about my animays but I have to eat my words now
>I can at least try to save face and say I don't care

>> No.5247662

>>5247658
None of them
You might try Texhnolyze but keep in mind the first 15 minutes of the first episode is pure directorial masturbation and the first word uttered doesn't come until 17 minutes into the episode.

>> No.5247664

>>5247643
If that's an unironic post then that just makes me even sadder

>> No.5247665

>>5247658
serial experiments lain

>> No.5247666

>>5247662
Neat. This is the kind of "omg so deep" I'm in the mood for.

>> No.5247668

>>5247658
Serial Experiments Lain

>> No.5247671

>>5247655
You don't like Bong Joon-ho?

>> No.5247674

>>5247658
Add Chaos Head and Steins Gate to the Lain posts

and Kaiji
just for fun it's not realy thought provoking

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Go read teito monogatari all of you fucking plebs.

>> No.5247682

>>5247658
Serial Experiment Lain, Paranoia Agent and really everything else Satoshi Kon has done, Monster, FLCL,

Besides some of Monster, I don't really like any of these. I'd recommend either not getting into anime or if you really want to get into anime/manga, which I don't know why you would, just read the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure manga.

>>5247675
I've actually been learning Japanese so that I can read this or at least attempt to.

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>>5247675
As a fan of SMT, my interest is piqued.
>>5247674
>>5247668
>>5247665
I'm actually about halfway through Lain right now! I've heard of steins gate but never checked it out, but I will now.

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>>5247686
>As a fan of SMT, my interest is piqued.

You know what to do then.

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>>5247510
I just come here to read about books or whatever and when it turns out everyone on every board is a weeb it's a bit of a shock, even though yes I should know better. But if you want to downboat anyone who criticizes your precious ultra violent porno cartoons I'm sure r/anime is welcoming.

>> No.5247692

>>5247682
Monster is lame
I don't get how it's always on lists

>> No.5247696

>>5247692
You have to consider the state the anime medium is in
I mean, monster tells a complete story, that's a fucking miracle in and of itself, then the characters go the extra mile to actually have more than one facet, and dear god there's an actual plot!

>> No.5247697

>>5247689
Are these stand alone? I keep seeing this posted on here but I haven't played any of those games

>> No.5247699

>>5247689
I read the first teaser chapter of that. Wasn't bad nor good. DDS is my favorite sub-series though (and I've played every single major English game) so I may check it out at a later date.

>>5247697
Digital Devil Saga is stand alone from the main series. That book is just a novelization of the original idea for the story of the DDS games iirc.

>> No.5247708

>>5247671
Okay, this is an admittedly stupid reason but I can't stand the look of many Korean films. They make me physically ill. I can't really put my finger on it. Something about the weirdly desaturated colors mixed with the porno look of all of those Korean films and expressions on most Koreans just rub me the wrong way. "Memories of Murder" is a good example of what I'm talking about. I suppose with a movie like that, 'uneasiness' is what I should feel, so at least it accomplishes what it sets out to do.

>>5247692
eh, not really gonna disagree with you there, but still better than 99% of what anime has to offer

>> No.5247716

>>5247691
I don't think you know what a weeb is, but keep generalizing it makes for good shitposts here.

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>>5247692
>Monster is lame
Maybe you should just tell everyone this and then they'll stop putting it on lists.

>> No.5247720

>>5247691
>it's a bit of a shock
People trend towards other hobbies.

Like the other earlier anon said, lots of people got into anime when Toonami was on and that was years ago, plenty of time for people to get in and out of it

>> No.5247722

>>5247691
Damn nigga 5 star post

>> No.5247724

>>5247708
>Something about the weirdly desaturated colors mixed with the porno look of all of those Korean films and expressions on most Koreans just rub me the wrong way.

Do you really think any given movie shot on digital looks better? At least the guys in Korea still use Kodak.

>> No.5247726

>>5247605
>Mushishi
>2014
Good shit though

>> No.5247729

>>5247726
Season 2 aired in 2014.

>> No.5247734

>>5247658
Kaiba
Kemonozume
Planetes

>> No.5247751

>>5247724
>Do you really think any given movie shot on digital looks better?

This came out way more accusatory that I intended. I meant to say something along the lines of "You can't say etc." English isn't my mother's tongue.

>> No.5247757

>>5247605
>Ping Pong
narrowed it down for you
Sam Flam was only good when watching it with /a/

>> No.5247778

>>5247757
Ping Pong was good for how ridiculously bad it was. Only reason I included it in my list.

Note that it's not a "good" anime list it's just anime that's worth your time.

>> No.5247801

>>5247778
Oops my bad, I meant Samurai Flamenco is good for how bad it is.

Ping Pong was legitimately good.

>> No.5247817

>>5247611
>mushishi
>shit

>> No.5247952

>>5247675
Has this actually been translated? I can't find it anywhere

>> No.5247975

>taste

And this is why this website continues to be shit

>> No.5248033

>>5247377
Hes talking about needless

>> No.5248038

i just remember being relieved that the "hikikomori" was a thing somewhere. i knew i wasn't alone.

>> No.5248268

>thinking NHK was bad

Seriously, no one ever comes up with a good reason for why they dislike it. It's legitamedly the most self-aware anime made. It's true metafiction with a reason to be one. If watching NHK doesnt convince somone to rethink their lives and identity as an Otaku/NEET then they were probably not an Otaku/NEET in the first place. It captures a millenial condition in millenial fashion. It's sad that there's not a single piece of lit that has accomplish nearly as much this century.

>> No.5248575

I have only read the novel but i liked it.

I read it after a more serious as a fun little break and it was just what i wanted. Something short and funny to just relax with, and if thats what youre looking for then you shouldnt be dissapointed. Espeecially if youre a little geeky and have watched some anime.

>> No.5248774

>Best anime:
Tatami Galaxy
NGE
Utena
Princess Tutu
Satoshi Kon's films
Lain
Haibane Renmei
Flcl
Gunbuster
Kemonozume

>> No.5248801

>>5248774
kaiba where ;_;

>> No.5248940

>>5248774

>no Bebop

>> No.5248945

>>5248774
>no JoJo, Berserk, GaoGaiGear, Demonbane, Gun/Diebuster, lupin the 3rd or Baoh

IMMA CRUSH IT

>> No.5249024

This whole thread is pleb as fuck.

If you don't enjoy watching cute girls doing cute things then you don't understand anime at all and are probably an edgy teenager.

If you haven't sat through every episode of at least a few shows like Love Hina, Oh My Goddess, and Ranma 1/2, you don't understand anime at all and are probably an edgy teenager.

You are all watching "gritty, dramatic" anime that is literally worse than even mediocre Hollywood TV series and masturbating about how countercultural you are.

Pls get a grip.

>> No.5249032

>>5249024
I'm glad someone said what I was going to say before I said it.

>> No.5249036

>>5249024
i agree. i have this feeling even though i only watch the latter. i know i'm only watching western-friendly shows, and every time i even try to watch something like haruhi, i'm cringing every second. i'm really a western piece of shit...

>> No.5249037

>>5249032
If you make your tripping career out of snarky, sarcastic remarks and agreeing with sperglord rants then you won't last.

>> No.5249038

>>5247564
Haha, silly pleb, everyone knows they haven't done any good films in the 2000's.

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>>5249024

>> No.5249136

>"Naive. Super" by Erlend Loe
>"Notes from the Underground" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
>"Whatever" by Michel Houllebecq

>> No.5249137

>>5249024
>calls thread pleb
>lists Yahoo articles tier anime that everyone knows about, two of them not even about cute girls doing cute things

Get this fuccboi outta here. School Rumble. It was that simple.

>> No.5249139

>>5249024
>If you don't enjoy watching cute girls doing cute things then you don't understand anime at all and are probably an edgy teenager.
No, you're just an elitist weeb trying hard to justify shit taste.

>>5249032
Oh look, so are you.

>> No.5249143

>>5249136
>"Notes from the Underground" by Fyodor Dostoevsky

This is probably closes to what you're looking for, OP.

>> No.5249144

>>5247330
Look into Oblomov. It's about a 19th century Russian aristocrat who doesn't leave his apartment and does nothing all day.

>> No.5249155

>>5249139
Thank you
It's refreshing to be reminded I'm out of /a/

>> No.5249182

>>5249024
>You are all watching "gritty, dramatic" anime that is literally worse than even mediocre Hollywood TV series and masturbating about how countercultural you are.
can say the exact same thing about you and replace 'gritty, dramatic' with 'moe, lolsorandum' and it would be a lot truer

>> No.5249282

>>5247717
>>5247692
Monster dragged too much for me.
Only chink cartoon I've dropped.

Starts really good, really interesting, timeskip happens, even more interesting stuff, then he just starts chasing the fucker with the other fuckers and sometimes older characters come back and shit but that's about it.

Didn't like the tone.
ED is so shit too, opening is ok as far as openings go, but goddamn that ED is one of the worst.

Not hating, just statin'.

>> No.5249326

Moe is infinently better than any "serious" anime. Stop being such casuals.

>> No.5249356

There is a difference between good moe and bad moe, faggots. You've got stuff like aria, cardcaptor sakura, heartcatch precure, lain, and azumanga daioh for good moe; and stuff like yuyushiki, k-on, crappy generic harems, and every other seasonal copy and paste for bad moe.

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>>5249356

>There is a difference between good moe and bad moe

>> No.5249429

>>5249410
Just like there is a difference between good and bad everything else

>> No.5249431

>>5249356
>lain
>moe

ok.

>> No.5249441

>>5249429
>Just like there is a difference between good and bad everything else

You mean a self-imposed arbitrary difference? Yeah, I know that. It just feels like you think your opinion is some kind of law everyone adheres to.

>> No.5249467

>>5249431
Lain is extremely moe, the show doesn't revolve around it, but it is obviously moe as fuck.

>> No.5249477

>>5249467
>the show doesn't revolve around it

Then it's not moe.

>> No.5249524

Man, Utena is just as good as I was led to believe by the internet. I have 6 episodes left and it's blowing my mind. Gorgeous looking show, too

>> No.5249565

>>5249477
Do you not understand the word moe? It's not a genre.

>> No.5249855

>>5249524
The last few episodes are the best.