Is Dune really that good? I started to read it, I'm 50 pages in and I still don't understand anything. Also, i'm not a Sci-fi fan, i fucking hate Star Wars and Star Trek and all that shit. Is there a point for me to continue reading it at all?

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Anonymous Sun Jul 27 01:52:14 2014 No.5196026 [DELETED]

Is Dune really that good?

I started to read it, I'm 50 pages in and I still don't understand anything.

Also, i'm not a Sci-fi fan, i fucking hate Star Wars and Star Trek and all that shit.
Is there a point for me to continue reading it at all?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 01:54:50 2014 No.5196034 I didn't enjoy it the first time. Jodorowsky's Dune made me re-read it and it's a lot better than I remember it being not sure if there's a point if you don't enjoy sci-fi at all though

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 01:57:56 2014 No.5196046 File: 27 KB, 440x316, HungryCaterpillar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i'm 2 pages in, does it get any better?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 02:33:42 2014 No.5196169 Im a couple sentences in, does it get any better?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 02:48:15 2014 No.5196204 Do you really hate it? Hyperbole? Revenge of the Nerds jock? stop-liking-what-i-dont-like level autism?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 02:52:44 2014 No.5196218 i felt the same way ~50 in the pages really stated turning when i became interested in the theological/social aspects of herbert's universe, which is one of the most dense and well crafted settings in lit imo

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 03:04:13 2014 No.5196250
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>>5196026
>I started to read it, I'm 50 pages in and I still don't understand anything.

It takes place ~21,000 years in the future. Humans populate more than one planet and there is a feudal government in the (known) universe.
Each planet is a fiefdom controlled by one great house and all great houses swear fielty to the emperor: at this point, Padishah Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV.

Just read a little more and the narrator (Princess Irulan Corrino) will explain further.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 03:11:07 2014 No.5196269 >>5196026 Can you add the dictionary to the Kindle dictionary? There are plenty of made up words.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 03:13:08 2014 No.5196276 I'm a few letters in, does it get any better?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 03:19:17 2014 No.5196298 >>5196276 Stop trying to join in and think you're funny you fucking retard.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Sun Jul 27 03:26:08 2014 No.5196317 File: 109 KB, 743x574, 1321666111387.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5196250 Nice .gif

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 04:46:15 2014 No.5196533 >I fucking hate Star Wars and Star Trek Stop reading, it's not for dickwads like yourself

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 04:48:39 2014 No.5196539 >>5196298 He's from reddit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 08:00:53 2014 No.5197016 >>5196533 Am i being judged because i don't like Sci-Fi?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 08:23:52 2014 No.5197108 >>5197016 >doesn't like sci fi >reads a sci fi book and asks why he should continue You're not very smart are you

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 09:22:06 2014 No.5197289 >>5196046 Yes. The ending is spectacular.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 09:30:30 2014 No.5197322 >>5196026 I think the story and the concept of it is amazing, the writing and actual execution of it is shit.

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 12:56:30 2014 No.5198048

>>5196026

Not understanding aything is exactly what I felt too, mainly because you have to figure out the meaning of every word pretty much by yourself. It took me a fair while to figure what the fuck a mentat actually was, anyway.

And Sci-Fi is just a setting, but the themes are about...well I can't explain it eloquently enough, but it's about the nature of heroes, destiny and survival. But fuckit, how the hell am I supposed to know if you should continue reading it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 13:10:02 2014 No.5198102 It starts to get great when Leto hosts a meal on Arrakis and everyone starts having arguments

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 13:22:01 2014 No.5198145 I just read the first two letters and was wondering, does it get any better?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 13:23:50 2014 No.5198149 >>5198145 already been done see >>5196276

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 13:29:55 2014 No.5198163 >>5198149 I'm not as far as him though

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 13:31:27 2014 No.5198166 >>5198163 he should've said something like the cover page or the by-line that being said, i think it's a good joke

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 14:15:52 2014 No.5198322 >>5197322 How so?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 14:26:47 2014 No.5198359 >>5197016 yes, because not liking sci fi is what idiots do. You dont need to be a genre fiction pleb, but you also dont want to be reflexivly anti genre

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 14:31:56 2014 No.5198377 >>5196026 >I fucking hate sci-fi >gonna read Dune lol Wow, what a fag.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 14:36:36 2014 No.5198392 >>5196046 It should already be good. The book is an experience experiencing itself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 14:37:40 2014 No.5198395 Star Wars and Star Trek are not SF so it is okay to hate them The start is all that meta-textual stuff

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 14:40:03 2014 No.5198403

>doesn't like scifi
>cites Star Wars and Star Trek
That's rich.jpg
The problem is your idea of SF is bottom of the barrel mass media shit
Some actual proper SF is perfectly fine and good

Also for your own health stop using the term scifi, Harlan Ellison will find you

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 14:43:00 2014 No.5198412

>>5196269
I think it's possible with some other books:
http://http://thefictionary.net/

Should be possible with Tolkien, I suppose.
Also if you bought it on Amazon there might be the X-Ray feature that lets you look up the characters or terms.
If you didn't, I think a custom one can be generated, I'm not very sure though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 14:44:03 2014 No.5198417 >>5198412 >Tolkien Herbert

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 15:10:18 2014 No.5198517 why do you "fucking hate" star wars and star trek?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 15:42:52 2014 No.5198651 >>5196026 If you don't like sci fi why the fuck did you want to read it? CAPTCHA: cogs fagersi

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 17:25:05 2014 No.5199057 >>5198651 It isn't really heavy on the sci-fi elements.

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 20:24:59 2014 No.5199912
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For those of you having trouble with the terminology and background of the book, it helps to pick up a copy which includes all of the appendices. The most important one is literally callled "TERMINOLOGY OF THE IMPERIUM." Makes the experience a lot more straightforward. The others talk about the religion, ecology, and politics of Dune. Gives you a better sense of the world.

>>5196026
I'm currently reading it. I'm almost to page 400. DO NOT GIVE UP OP. Shit meets the fan around page 250 and the ride never ends.

>>5198048
I loved that scene. It was /pol/ as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 20:38:32 2014 No.5200000 File: 26 KB, 480x270, fremen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >"so I stabbed that fucker and took his water"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 20:55:37 2014 No.5200080 >>5200000 5.2M GET >>SO I STABBED THAT FUCKED AND TOOK HIS WATER

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 20:59:04 2014 No.5200094 >>5200000 >>SO I STABBED THAT FUCKING AND TOOK HIS WATER

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 21:27:12 2014 No.5200199 i read the synopsis and numerous highly detailed reviews does it get any better

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 21:29:06 2014 No.5200207 >>5198403 Posts like this make me weep for the world.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 21:31:42 2014 No.5200215 >>5200000 GET CLAIMED FOR THE FREMEN ALL HAIL PAUL MUAD'DIB LONG LIVE THE JIHAD

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 21:33:54 2014 No.5200225 >>5200000 Kull wahad! No woman-child ever got such a get.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 22:24:18 2014 No.5200462 >>5196317 it's actually 10 minutes long but at the end she opens her eyes

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 22:28:43 2014 No.5200483 >>5200462 Oh snap, this is true.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 22:45:00 2014 No.5200558 For those who both read and saw the 1984 movie, is the adaptation any good? I have the movie in my backlog.

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 22:46:59 2014 No.5200567

>>5200558

As an adaptation it's pretty dreadful, and it's not that good of a movie exactly, it was butchered in the editing. But you should still definitely watch it, because there are the makings of a remarkable film in it. It's probably my favorite space opera film.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 22:48:45 2014 No.5200577 >>5200567 I would watch it regardless, but now I'll have a different mood facing it, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 22:52:22 2014 No.5200593 File: 64 KB, 1280x544, pug.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5200577 Mood?! Mood's a thing for cattle and love-play, not watching Dune!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:07:54 2014 No.5200670 >>5200567 Is it worth watching if you've already seen everything else by Lynch? In other words, does it stand up to his other work?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:10:52 2014 No.5200692 >>5196046 it's all about the banana, that's the best part of the book, truly profound also >plums

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:11:41 2014 No.5200695 >>5200670 It's very unlike every other Lynch work. Recognizably Lynchian in parts, definitely, but it's a side of Lynch that isn't shown in really any of his other stuff -- the totally sincere attempt to make a high-concept sci-fi epic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:13:09 2014 No.5200707 >>5197016 it just doesnt make sense two books of sci-fi with vastly different approaches could be much much farther apart than a shitty sci-fi book and a shitty work of modernist literature that makes the same mistakes

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:14:54 2014 No.5200718 >>5198395 star wars is not sci-fi, ill agree but what would you call star trek? i think the ideal terminology at this point is "speculative fiction" instead of "science fiction" anyways

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:17:34 2014 No.5200737

>>5200718

>star wars is not sci-fi

autism imo. I understand where people are coming from when they say this, but that doesn't mean they are right. sci-fi is fantasy with industrial or post-industrial mise en scene, in contrast to the mythological/historical/fairy-tale mise en scene more conventionally associated with the word "fantasy".

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:32:51 2014 No.5200808 File: 276 KB, 1024x1248, 1371456620528.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5199912 >I'm currently reading it. I'm almost to page 400 >not at God Emperor You don't know how crazy this ride can get.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:35:08 2014 No.5200821 >>5200718 >but what would you call star trek? crap

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:35:10 2014 No.5200822 >>5200593 Why the fuck did Gurnie have a pug anyways?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:36:10 2014 No.5200833 >>5200718 speculative fiction is something that actively seeks to explore "what if?"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:41:53 2014 No.5200854 >>5200822 It was Leto's, Paul is holding it when they fly from Caladan to the Guild heighliner. Why did Leto have a pug, you ask? The answer is David Lynch.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:42:24 2014 No.5200856 >>5200737 that's what i meant with the "speculative fiction" concept, it covers both the difference between sci-fi and fantasy is not very clear, not to mention its misleading to use the word science regarding sci-fi

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:44:36 2014 No.5200873 Quick, you're in charge of the new adaptation of Dune. Who do you cast and for what character? If you refuse to do the film it's given to Michael Bay and Shia LaBeef plays Paul.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 23:45:57 2014 No.5200878 File: 21 KB, 255x320, as_leto_you_idiot.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5200873 Sean Bean. You know who he'll play.

Anonymous Mon Jul 28 00:55:25 2014 No.5201167

>>5200808
>bald Leto

He's supposed to have red hair.

God Emperor isn't the most exciting in the series, but you gotta get through it to read Heretics (which IS exciting).

>>5200873
>Quick, you're in charge of the new adaptation of Dune.

It is now an animated series; the only way it can turn out good at this point.

>Who do you cast and for what character?

Not sure. Who are /lit/'s favorite voice actors?

Anonymous Mon Jul 28 01:02:27 2014 No.5201196

>>5196026
What the fuck. You are asking, as a man that hates all sci-fi you have come in contact with, if Dune is your thing. You might as well be a KKK member on an extended trip to Sudan asking if "after the malaria and dehydration, does it get any better"?

No. Its not going to get better. You are going to have a bad time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 01:42:46 2014 No.5201351 >>5198392 >Last Night In Twisted River

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 01:44:09 2014 No.5201356 Relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO5YkkoRYs8

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 08:01:18 2014 No.5202334 File: 20 KB, 720x304, lynch's baron harkonnen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5200000 HE WHO CONTROLS THE QUINTS CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 08:03:12 2014 No.5202338 >>5201167 Sugita is my favorite.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 08:42:18 2014 No.5202414 >>5198322 Not that guy, but the prose is dense and academic. The mystical and Sci-fi elements are ham-fisted, technobabble and references to things that don't exist. I do remember the subsequent books being a better read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 11:12:21 2014 No.5202733 >>5201167 Wakamoto Norio as the Baron. Sawashiro Miyuki as Lady Jessica. Fukuyama Jun as Paul. Daisuke Ono as Leto. Ishizuka Unsho as Stilgar. Junichi Suwabe as Duncan.

Anonymous Mon Jul 28 11:14:35 2014 No.5202735

>>5202414
>technobabble and references to things that don't exist
Dune actually does a good job in keeping it's technobabble relevent. It never talks at length about things that won't be seen ever again. Just lots of shields, lasguns, thumpers, and thopters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 12:43:39 2014 No.5203142 Is the Dune series actually worthwhile aside from the first? I also read Children of Dune but it was far less interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 14:01:08 2014 No.5203506 >>5196026 >Is Dune really that good? Yes.

Anonymous Mon Jul 28 14:37:30 2014 No.5203649

>>5203142
>I also read Children of Dune
Not Messiah? What?

Yes, it's very worthwhile. The popular opinion to not read past the first is really bizarre. The latter 3 novels of the original 6 are fantastic.

Don't read past the first six though.

Dune
Dune Messiah
Children of Dune
God Emperor of Dune
Heretics of Dune
Chapterhouse of Dune

The story told by just Dune is great, the story told by the full series is incredible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 15:01:35 2014 No.5203753 >>5200000 All hail Shai-Hulud, the maker of gets

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 15:08:45 2014 No.5203777 >>5200000 >and he shall be known as Usul the base of the pillar

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 15:17:36 2014 No.5203811 How is the movie? reviews make it seem like shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 15:30:26 2014 No.5203861 >>5203811 It is shit. Butchered in editing, makes no sense, and completely misunderstands most of the book. Most notably is the full-retard movie version of the voice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 15:51:46 2014 No.5203965 >>5203861 The weirding guns were frank herbert's idea though

Anonymous Mon Jul 28 16:02:33 2014 No.5204023

>>5202733
>weebtastic

>>5200873
>Jodorowsky's Dune

Otherwise this needs to be a series, HBO would do. They seem to be pretty adept at adaptations.

Joseph Gorden-Levit as Paul
Jon Goodman as Baron Harkonnen
Mila Kunis as Chani
Christan Bale as Duke Leto
Samuel L Jackson as Thufir Hawat
Charles Dance as Stilgar
Bruce Willis as Gurney Halleck
Carice van Houten as Lady Jessica

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 16:04:39 2014 No.5204032 >>5204023 These are the worst casting choices I've ever seen in my life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 16:05:23 2014 No.5204035 >>5204032 Pourquoi

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 16:11:24 2014 No.5204061 >>5203965 I pray to the God Emperor this isn't true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 16:18:02 2014 No.5204089 Dune is the only book I've ever read that actually picks up and gets better after 200 pages of boring. Seriously, best sci fi that isn't by Wolfe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 16:29:29 2014 No.5204139 I read the first two books. They weren't anything special. I'm honestly confused why Dune gets cited as one of the best sci fi novels ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 16:49:39 2014 No.5204222 How are the books written by his son, Brian?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 17:09:53 2014 No.5204343 >>5204222 shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 17:19:03 2014 No.5204395 >>5204343 Suspeted as much, but would you be so kind to elaborate

Anonymous Mon Jul 28 17:24:58 2014 No.5204423

>>5204395
The consensus is that they are basically shit in every respect. I can't even be specific about precisely how they're shit because I've never seen anyone say anything good about them at all, ever, so it seems that they are just uniformly bad in every aspect you can imagine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 17:32:39 2014 No.5204474 >>5204061 He said most moviegoers wouldn't understand it otherwise

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 17:37:49 2014 No.5204509 >>5204474 What's not to understand?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 17:43:26 2014 No.5204542 Is Dune a "fun" book to read? I'm desperately searching for a book that's not dry philosophy or dumb. A book that I will have fun with, that can keep my interest and makes me want to stay up all night to finish it

Anonymous Mon Jul 28 17:55:11 2014 No.5204605
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Hey /lit/ I'm 6 books in and I still don't understand anything.

Is there a point for me to continue reading it at all?

>>5200000
MUUAWWWWDEEEEEEEEEB

THE LIKES OF WHICH GAWD HAS NEVER SEEN

>>5201356
>Posting that fucking trash
>not this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B6jgkcANRE

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 18:40:54 2014 No.5204853 >>5204542 I found it fun. Kept me up some nights, but sometimes I also needed a break from it. Mostly read it on the train/tram or when waiting for something to happen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 18:56:03 2014 No.5204938 >>5204853 Thanks anon, I'll pick it up when I'm finished with what I'm currently reading. I just really wish I could make books really fun again, like when I was a child and first discovered the joy of reading Now books are not as fun anymore

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 19:15:25 2014 No.5205060 >>5204542 I only feel like reading them while traveling by train or bus, but they're great books

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 19:21:52 2014 No.5205095 >>5205060 >traveling by train or bus european detected

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 19:24:58 2014 No.5205109 >>5205095 How did you manage to draw that conclusion? I, and many of my friends, travel by bus and train and I've lived nearly all my life in Florida.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 19:25:17 2014 No.5205113 >>5205095 It's free if you're a student, so why should I bother with a car

Anonymous Mon Jul 28 19:25:59 2014 No.5205120

Star Trek is like the definitive sci-fi show, what the fuck are you people going on about
it uses a (highly developed) futuristic setting in order to explore social and other issues
That's the point of sci-fi. SW is a fantastic fantasy trilogy, but it's not sci-fi. The futuristic elements are secondary if not irrelevant, and the whole thing works like a fairytale.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 19:59:53 2014 No.5205248 File: 118 KB, 1024x724, the shibe must doge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5200000 >5.2 mil get the sleeper has awakened!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 28 21:05:56 2014 No.5205569 please take my moisture

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