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I just read this whole fucking thing. I work a minimum wage job at McDonald's. What do I win?

>> No.5195474

Nothing.

>> No.5195483
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5195483

Hmmm. only way to tell is try again
try Proust this time

>> No.5195490

>>5195472
You've become a more learned person. It may not sound like much, but it is truly the only thing of any value in this world. I sincerely congratulate you, and hope you continue.

>> No.5195495
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5195495

>he read an abridgment

>> No.5195502

>>5195472
>reading for recognition and not for self growth

If anything you lost, OP

>> No.5195509

>>5195502
>reading for recognition and not for self growth
I'm pretty much fully grown by now.

>> No.5195510

>>5195490

I kept hoping that after finishing it I would feel the exhilarating rush of having surmounted something great.

Instead I feel bored, and now I have to move on to the next thing to read.

>> No.5195518

>>5195495

I didn't know there was an abridged version. The one I read was an e-book from Project Gutenberg, I'm pretty sure it was the whole thing.

What does the abridged version cut out?

>> No.5195532
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5195532

>>5195510
>and now I have to move on to the next thing to read.
The rise and fall of the third reich.

>> No.5195536

>>5195532

But I already know how it ends.

Age of Faith by Will Durant is next in my queue.

>> No.5195544
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5195544

>tfw no one else makes history as interesting as gibbon

>> No.5195552

>>5195472
>Decline and fall of the Roman Empire
>>5195532
>The rise and fall of the third reich.

Why is there no rising in the Roman one?

>> No.5195565

>>5195552
Because it's about the decline.

>> No.5195578

>>5195472
>tfw I also work a shit job
>no college degree
>read philosophy, history, theory

Will I always be a plebeian, anyways?

>> No.5195590

It's not about reading.

It's about entertaining yourself and learning something along the way. So, that, I guess.

>> No.5195597

>>5195578
It's an economic class thing, not a refinement in your cultural tastes.

>> No.5195598

>>5195578
swap 'philosophy, history, theory' for something like 'finance, business management, contract law' for a year or so.

>> No.5195603

>>5195544
Not an author, but have you ever listened to Dan Carlin?

>> No.5195605

You read the extremely shortened version. There are six volumes. The last three are more about the byzantine empire

>> No.5195614

An intellectual obligation to correct the host of myths outdated historiography just left in your understanding of antiquity.

Sorry.

>> No.5195636

>>5195614
Maybe he just read it to gain an understanding of how people back then understood Rome?
Don't be so presumptuous, man.

>> No.5195656

>>5195636
I know, the work is significant just for its literary sake, but it's a bit like reading early 20th century philosophy or some such. If you don't have a healthy temperament by modern historians both on the work and what the work is addressing itself, you can very easily start championing very faulty information.

I was mostly just being a facetious dick.

>> No.5195687

>>5195656
The information isn't factually wrong besides his theories on climate/race/etc. Just his conclusions are considered wrong.

>> No.5195718

>>5195578
A proletariat, maybe, not a plebeian.

>>5195598
Anything you could do by studying 'finance, business management, contract law' would most likely be risky or require existing capital. Learn a trade or IT instead.

>> No.5195720

>>5195687
Well, the way he presents the information is fundamentally linked to his conclusion, it is supposed to lead you to the same thought. So even if you know the thesis is incorrect, if your roman history knowledge is based on Gibbon, you would trend somewhat to thinking things like the adoption of christianity induced a collapse of civilization (as an over exaggerated example).

Though he is obviously remarkably good at source work.

>> No.5195722

>>5195544
I know who's wife that is. I've spent way too long on /tv/ for my own good.

>> No.5195729

>>5195722
enlighten us

>> No.5195747

>>5195509
That's what children say.

>> No.5195791

>>5195718
>would most likely be risky or require existing capital.
or venture capital, seedfunding, a moderate loan, or help from relatives... That guy said he is in a shit job. Telling him to abandon the relatively easy task of registering a LTD company, breaking even, expanding, and investing profit is quite mean.

>Learn a trade or IT instead.
This will make him wish he studied those even more now. Now he will be stuck in a skilled job being envious of the company owner position that he could have had.

>> No.5196557

>>5195472
Reading good prose, but shit reasoning. His anti-christianity is retarded and one of the reason anglos hate on the Byzantine Empire
.

>> No.5196644

>>5195472
A centuries-out-of-date understanding of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, probably.

>> No.5196646

>>5195729
TGWTG

>> No.5196872

>>5195747
Good one.

>> No.5196884

>>5195544
I recommend Thomas Carlyle.

>> No.5196890

>>5195720
What are some good books on historiography? And general historical theory to prepare for older history books.

>> No.5197617

>>5195536
That one is massive.
Although I got it used for $2.00.
Shit was so cash.

>> No.5198964

>>5195490
>it is truly the only thing of any value in this world
wha

>> No.5198990

>>5195536
Started book one yesterday.

I actually found the entire collection for free, some dude died and they gave away all his books.
Wen't over to the boxes to look it through, fucking entire collection right there, bam!

>> No.5198991

Nothing. Now if you were a dedicated gang member and you read it, then you might win something.

>> No.5198995

>>5198990
Went* ffs

>> No.5199005
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5199005

I'm a NEET and spend most of my free time reading through the canon. What do i win?

>> No.5199038

>>5195472
a minimum wage job at McDonald's

>> No.5199058

>>5195472
You've won the ''I've read an incredibly outdated, and practically useless history book regarding contemporary studies of the Roman Empire'' prize.

>> No.5199146

>>5199058
What parts of the book are outdated?

>> No.5199154

>>5199058
Just because modern scholars have come to different conclusions doesn't make him wrong or 'outdated'. History isn't objective and their opinion is no less valid than his.

>> No.5199785

>>5199154
>implying

>> No.5199794

>>5199154

You disgust me.

>all opinions are equal!

>> No.5199816

>>5199058
You should be reading it for the beautiful prose and classical moral lessons in a period where Livy had no peer, not to mention his story telling ability and importance to modern historiography.

>> No.5199846

>>5195483
is proust good?

>> No.5201603

>>5199846
no

>> No.5201607

>>5199846
No one is good. Everything is shit.

>> No.5201611

>>5199846
Nobody on /lit/ knows