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5131783 No.5131783 [Reply] [Original]

HELLO.

"THE ZERO THEOREM".

"SILICON VALLEY".

"HALT AND CATCH FIRE".

THAT "MOVIE", AND THOSE TELEVISION PROGRAMS ARE INSTANCES OF THE MOST RECENT SOCIOCULTURAL TREND CONSISTING OF THE SELFCONSCIOUS INTERACTION OF THE HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS WITH ITSELF VIA OTHERS VIA TECHNOLOGY, AND WHICH EMPHASIZES THE MUTUAL SUBLATION AND SUBSEQUENT SYNTHESIS OF SUBJECT, AND OBJECT; OF SELF, AND OTHER.

WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THIS NEW TREND?

OF WHAT OTHER INSTANCES IN TELEVISION, OR CINEMA, OR ANY OTHER MEDIUM, ARE YOU AWARE?

>> No.5131798

Tripfriends, everyone

>> No.5131800

I saw some commercials for halt and catch fire when I was watching Mad Men and it seemed stupid

Hope you appreciated this insight

>> No.5131805
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5131805

THERE IS A STYLE OR SOCIOCULTURAL ZEITGEIST THAT CONSISTS IN THE DIALECT BETWEEN HUMANS, AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.

THE CURRENT SOCIOCULTURAL TREND TO WHICH I AM REFERRING IS THAT STYLE'S/SOCIOCULTURAL ZEITGEIST'S THIRD ITERATION YET; IT BEGAN IN CIRCA YEAR TWOTHOUSAND TEN, BUT IT IS JUST NOW ENTERING ITS APOGEE.

THE FIRST TWO ITERATIONS WERE THE ORIGINAL "CYBERPUNK" MOVEMENT WHICH BEGAN IN CIRCA EARLY NINETEEN EIGHTIES, CULMINATING IN MIDNINETEEN NINETIES, AND THE "CYBERPUNK REVIVAL"/"MILLENNIUM"/"Y2K" MOVEMENT WHICH BEGAN IN CIRCA YEAR NINETEEN NINETYEIGHT, CULMINATING IN CIRCA YEAR TWOTHOUSAND FOUR.

>> No.5131808

Somewhy my reading comprehension decreased with all this capslocking

>> No.5131820

>>5131783
Are those any good?

>> No.5131837

>>5131783
in non-gookspeak: there's a meme going around about computers and I like to speak like an autistic android so I'm going to say that interacting with people on the web is like being supplied concepts which you use as fodder for thought and then regurgitate your findings back onto the internet to return with more thought fodder

>> No.5131846

>>5131783

>WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THIS NEW TREND?

tribalism

>> No.5131850

>>5131783
>>5131805

What defines each iteration? How isn't it just a continual process?

>> No.5131886

time to get rid of our tripfags, /lit/

>> No.5131894

>>5131837
how on earth is this gookspeak? isn't rei mexican?

>> No.5131899

>>5131886
But rei is the only interesting one.

>> No.5131900

>>5131894
Rei, I know you post like this when you get tired of the gookspeak.

>> No.5131904

>>5131900
real talk though rei is a cartel babby right

>> No.5131908

>>5131783
>>>>/tv/

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>>5131908

lol

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5132025

HELLO?

>> No.5132095

>>5131783
If you want to name a tenuous connection between individual media that you have decided exists, then name it.

Since you decided it exists, then maybe it can.

But right now, it just seems you are describing any narrative that focuses on technology.

>> No.5132097

>>5132025
hi :3

>> No.5132106

>>5131783
Turn your caps lock off and then we can discuss.

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>>5132025
HELLO.

>> No.5132117

>>5132025
What do you want people to say? That yes, Rei, you're right: the master-slave dialectic is alive and well, more so than ever thanks to technology? Great. It's not a trend, it's today's society. You can't make a show and eschew technology; modern urban life is contingent on it. Cyberpunk died a long time ago, and seems rather outdated now, or at least it does to me. It's not the big scary corporate quasi-fascism of the 1980s, it's just replaced certain aspects of our lives. Instead of a meeting in a park, we have a group chat on Facebook; instead of going around telling people we're engaged, or married, or expecting, we post it online and passively address everyone, etc. Arguments online hosted by its belligerent's profiles instantiate themselves in the real world as much as they would if they'd occurred on the street.

You're not saying anything. Hell, it'd be more interesting if you asked why so many people enjoy a fantasy show with a complete ABSENCE of modern technology.

>> No.5132132

>>5131783
don't know what i'd call it. maybe transhumanism as a start, but what you're talking about runs a bit deeper.

a movie that immediately comes to mind is existenz. hopefully you like cronenberg

>> No.5132138

>>5132132

THAT "MOVIE" BELONGS TO THE SECOND ITERATION.

>> No.5132152

>>5132138
By what criteria do you judge what movies belong in each "iteration" other than the date they were made?

>> No.5132155

WHY ARE YOU YELLING?

goddammit I hate tripfags

>> No.5132161

>>5132152

THE STYLE PARTICULAR TO THE ERA IN WHICH THEY WERE PRODUCED; FROM VISUAL AESTHETICS, TO THE MANNER OF APPROACHING CERTAIN THEMES.

>> No.5132189

>>5132161

All About Lily Chou-Chou

you autistic fuck.

>> No.5132192

>>5132161
In other words, "Big 'n' Scary" to "Consequences will never be the same" to "Here, let me post this on instagram". You can set it by the Terminator movies. First, it's the nameless machine vs man, then it's the rampant machine exploiting man's need for his own destruction, then it's the odd combination of something horrible existing within something beautiful and efficacious (and bouncy 'n' breasty).

The "Aesthetics" are budget limitations and advances in computer generated effects.

>> No.5132195

>>5132155
broken keyboard

>> No.5132216

>>5132189

YES, THAT "MOVIE" BELONGS TO THE SECOND ITERATION.

>> No.5132221
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5132221

Play Deus Ex OP. It deals well with this human/IT synthesis idea.

I also liked Mass Effect's ideas.

Cyberpunk as a genre is increasing the exposure of this idea.

"Augmented reality" is extremely interesting. I actually began writing a novel where a character, archetypically named "the alchemist", ends up constructing herself and changing her sensory capacities and her ability to organize the stimulus.

I should shut the fuck up and write my goddamn novel.

>> No.5132223

>>5132195
Broken limbic system.

>> No.5132225

>>5132192

YOUR "READING COMPREHENSION" IS SUBPAR, OR YOU ARE MENTALLY IMPAIRED.

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>>5131783
This isn't a new thing, just read any cyberpunk or proto-cyberpunk author from the 60s onward

>> No.5132246

>>5132225
You're trying to found an already established art movement on the vague motifs of pulp sci fi movies.

>> No.5132250

>>5132225
nigguh where you at? still got dat caps lock key stuck? I got a spare keyboard for yo ass.

>> No.5132263

>>5131783
>>5131805
>>5132025
>>5132138
>>5132161
>>5132216
>>5132225
You are an interesting chap. I'd like to have a conversation with you in person. Where do you live?

>> No.5132271

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

>> No.5132280

>>5132263
You've concluded he's interesting based on vague generalizations, passive aggression, emotional impairment and baseline knowledge of Hegel. You could literally walk into the closest university and find someone identical.

>> No.5132285

>>5132280
I think you misunderstood what I meant by "interesting".

>> No.5132286

Nerd culture trying to get serious.

>> No.5132287
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5132287

>>5132221

The point is, I've considered long the idea of actively reconstructing reality and the means by which we shape our understanding of it. Reading ancient Indian lit (Bhagavad Gita/Vedas/Ramayana) and just generally mystical concepts (Hermes Trismegistus and alchemy/ancient magicks/Buddhism/Kabbalah) helped me consider the idea of active reconstruction of self and of nature through an organic framework.

That's not to say I consider anything "correct". It's simply to say broad exposure to ideas of consciousness and its permutations was/is necessary for me to form my present state of mind.

I really, really like speculative fiction that plays with consciousness and experience.

I should learn a language that's not English...

>> No.5132291

>>5132285
you want some fug?

>> No.5132312

>>5132291
Nah, I'm good m8. At least with this guy anyway.

>> No.5132364

>>5132246

He's not really trying to found anything, just an obfuscatory autist.

>>5132216

I'd suggest "Mr. Nobody" but that barely fits the theme of involving information theory.

I'm now interested in this as well, though.

I can delineate two iterations, being the original cyberpunk and its ensuing culture involving a more insular online environment and a more simulacrated cyberpunk with a mainstream focus, but why would you say there's a third? I'd say the third is just a reappropriation of the second within a generation that's found ownership through exposure.

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5133425

>>5132025
Yo

>> No.5133429

>>5131783
Technoculture