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I'm not digging this so far, I feel like it keeps the density of the Iliad/Odyssey but none of the charm or readability.

Am I a pleb, /lit/?

>> No.5126010

>>5126000
Yes.

Listen to it out loud if you can't read it.

>> No.5126032

>>5126000
The first two books are some of the most gripping literature I've read. Read it out loud to yourself.

>> No.5126054

>>5126000
Paradise Lost does everything better than the Illiad/Odyssey, from character development to speeches to portrayal of deities to overall atmosphere.

What do you mean by charm?

>> No.5126073

Is this better or worse than Divine Comedy? Going to read it once I finish Paradisio.

>> No.5126129

>>5126000

Try Dante's Divine Comedy instead, it's very good

>> No.5126137

>>5126000
It's dangerous to go alone. Here, take this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3gaaOO-yac

>> No.5127799

Bump.

>> No.5127814

>>5126137
>that shit mic

no

>> No.5128084

>>5126010
I don't mean to sound like a pleb but how does reading aloud help?

>> No.5128091

>>5128084
It makes you sound like an asshole reading archaic language.

>> No.5128107

>>5128084
Old poetry is meant to be heard just as much as read.

>> No.5128122

>>5128107
ahh that makes sense, thanks.

>> No.5128127

>>5128091
lol

>> No.5128131

I read the first line and dude was all like, "god help me with my prose," and I was like, "wtf?"

>> No.5128194

>>5126000
Here's something that will help you immensely, that is, understand "epic simile," that is, a simile that is so overreaching it often interrupts the flow, train of thought, and narration.

So when Milton is all like "and shit was like this that reminded of that which exactly like this to the eye of the sun," just recognize he's going off on a tangent.

The best parts of paradise lost (in my opinion) are Satan's and Eve's rhetorical arguments.

Oh, and Raphael's (or was it Gabriel) and Adam's discussion of cosmology and how angels fuck.

>> No.5128848

>>5128194
I'll keep this in mind, one of my issues with it was that sentences seemed to blend into one another.

Thank you.

>> No.5128856

>>5126010
This

Paradise Lost is turn up to be one of my best fav epics , especially its metaphors and Philosophy

>That prose by Adam and Eve when they eat the apple

>> No.5128866

>>5128107

Milton is specially true for this, he was blind when he "wrote" Paradise Lost (he dictated it), so you'd expect it to have an astonishing soundscape

>> No.5128886

>>5128856
>prose

>> No.5128904

>>5126000
>eeps the density of the Iliad/Odyssey but none of the charm or readab

>none of the charm

PRETTY FUCKING MUCH, made Satan more interesting though, and some of the Demon Princes more.... Pathetic? almost human.

>> No.5129318

kind of related:

>how do you read poetic works like this? how do you detect and implement and find the rhythm?

>> No.5129361

>>5126000
bumpo

>> No.5129364

>>5129318
it's written in pleb meter bro. da dum da dum da dum.

>> No.5129379

>>5129364
how do you detect that is my main question

>> No.5129392

>>5129379
read it syllable-wise like you're a retard who can't read.

>> No.5129445

>>5128084
Try and it and see - it really does lift the text, and makes it feel far less dense. You might feel like a bit of a mong at first, but at least you will enjoy the damned thing.

>> No.5129457

isn't plebeian pronounced pluh-bee-an? if so, how do you pronounce the shortened "pleb" in your head? is pleb pronounced like "pleeeb" or "pluhb" ? if someone could clear this up I honestly am curious. looking forward to a response

>> No.5129762

>>5126000

I decided to read Milton after Shakespeare made one of the greatest impacts in my reading life. I was terribly disappointed. The metaphors and similes of Milton are not even close to the ones of Shakespeare, and to me imagery is by far the greatest and most important thing in poetry.

I seriously think that Comus has more beauties in it than Paradise Lost. There isn’t in it something as this:

Wherefore did Nature powre her bounties forth, [ 710 ]
With such a full and unwithdrawing hand,
Covering the earth with odours, fruits, and flocks,
Thronging the Seas with spawn innumerable,
But all to please, and sate the curious taste?
And set to work millions of spinning Worms, [ 715 ]
That in their green shops weave the smooth-hair'd silk
To deck her Sons; and that no corner might
Be vacant of her plenty, in her own loyns
She hutch't th' all-worshipt ore and precious gems
To store her children with; if all the world [ 720 ]
Should in a pet of temperance feed on Pulse,
Drink the clear stream, and nothing wear but Frieze,

>> No.5129786

>>5129762
> The metaphors and similes of Milton are not even close to the ones of Shakespeare

You've come to find Shakespeare in somethign that isnt Shakespeare

>> No.5129812

>>5129762

>made one of the greatest impacts in my reading life

I wouldn't say that's good exactly

Also, >>5129786

>imagery is by far the greatest and most important thing in poetry.

Well if you don't enjoy the melopeia then, well, idunno what can I do for you

I'll just fight back:

At once as far as Angels ken he views
The dismal situation waste and wild,
A dungeon horrible, on all sides round
As one great furnace flamed, yet from those flames
No light, but rather darkness visible
Served only to discover sights of woe,
Regions of sorrow, doleful shades, where peace
And rest can never dwell, hope never comes
That comes to all; but torture without end
Still urges, and a fiery deluge, fed
With ever-burning sulphur unconsumed

>> No.5131539

>>5128194
That would be Raphael. He's the angel you would shoot some pool and share a beer with. Maybe go out on the town and pick up some hot angel chicks with. Michael is the no-nonsense dick who chases you off his lawn with a flaming sword.

>> No.5131549

>>5131539
hahaha my Prof was equally as hilarious in describing the differences between angels.

He said Archangel Michael is like that tough guy who stands at the street corner going "You gotta problem? YOU GOTTA PROBLEM!?".

>> No.5131554

>>5129457
I pronounce plebeian like "pleb-ayian", and pleb just the way I write it.

>> No.5131557

>>5129457
It's been "pleeb-ian" when its part of the full word, and "pleb" when shortened, to the best of my knowledge.

>> No.5131955

>>5128131
rotflmao