/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.5123996]

I want to write deconstructions of animes/games.

but how do I write a deconstruction?

[Anonymous No.5124007]

>>5123996
Pretend to read Derrida
Use big words
try and reduce everything to the furthest extent
everything is nothing

[Anonymous No.5124009]

>>5123996
>deconstruction

[Anonymous No.5124011]

I never read him,
but it's an idea from the philosopher Derrida.
He took it from Heideggers idea "Destruktion" or some thing.
I suggest you read them.

[Anonymous No.5124016]

>>5124011
you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.5124017]

>>5124016
Did I say some thing wrong?
I was under the impression Derrida coined the term?

[Anonymous No.5124018]

>>5124007
>>5124009
>>5124011
how would be super mario bross deconstructed?

[Anonymous No.5124037]

>>5124016
I have to say I am peeved by this post,
because I only intended on informing OP based on what I knew and was honest about that.

[Anonymous No.5124040]

>>5124037
>being peeved by your idiocy
maybe you should kill yourself

[Anonymous No.5124048]

>>5124040
cheer up

[Anonymous No.5124054]

>>5124018
A substance abusing plumber in the big city seeks to court a lady in pink from the hands of an ugly imperialist

[Anonymous No.5124060]

>>5124054
wasn't mario comunist or some shit?

[Anonymous No.5124064]

>>5124060


by imperialist I meant bowser, but he also defends the monarchy by saving the princess so I'm not so sure the political stance of Mario

[Anonymous No.5124067]

>>5124064
but wouldn't the princess peach be some kind of ornamental monarchy without much political power like today's england and spain monarchies?

[Anonymous No.5124075]

>>5124054
I actually want to read this.

[Anonymous No.5124079]

>>5124018
Alrighty then. The main goal is to find contradictions in the text and pick it apart. Form hierarchies and break them down. Question the text's assumptions. For example, we assume that both brothers and Peach are "good", while Bowser is "evil". But why is Peach referred to as a princess when she is the only monarchical figure present? Why not Queen? Perhaps she is not officially recognized by the world outside the Mushroom Kingdom as its rightful sovereign, since she took it by force (a coup, for example). Therefore, it could be said that Bowser is acting in the kingdom's best interests, while Mario and Luigi are acting to reinstate its dictator. This undermines the player's assumptions that Bowser is "evil". But, in that case, the brothers might be totally ignorant of Peach's actions in the kingdom, and have been tricked into thinking she is a rather sweet person who wants to bake them cake. The hierarchy of good/evil breaks down at this point.

The entire concept of deconstruction is finding holes and stretching them until the text falls apart.

[Anonymous No.5124084]

>>5124079
add some dialog about moral shit and you'll find GOAT material.

so /lit/ why aren't you deconstructing gamus?

[Anonymous No.5124087]

>>5124079
>The entire concept of deconstruction is finding holes and stretching them until the text falls apart.

Hot

[Anonymous No.5124133]

>>5124067
she does have legitimate power.
So maybe give it a Dune/GoT angle?

[Anonymous No.5124143]

>>5124054
The substance he abuses better be shrooms.

[Anonymous No.5124161]

Ask yourself: will this affect anything in any way? Do it anyway because you have nothing better to do with yourself.

[Anonymous No.5124168]

>>5124143
not exclusively, we need analogues for the other pick ups too

[Anonymous No.5124204]

>>5124079
>mfw princess peach is princess bubblegum tier despot

[Anonymous No.5124362]

>>5123996
I'd that Ryouko without a doubt.

[Anonymous No.5124374]

>>5123996
>Melonpan looking them straight in the eyes
Sasuga.

[Anonymous No.5125003]

>>5124018
Wasn't it already?

[Anonymous No.5125135]

>>5124374
Eh drives a pink Ferrari and doesn't afraid of anythign

[Anonymous No.5125187]

>mfw my mom told me to start looking for a job today
>mfw I deconstructed the concept of job right in front of her, revealing its fundamental contradictions and aporias through a methodocial examination of the coherence and genealogy of its structuring concepts
>mfw I exposed the bourgeois esthetic of production inherent in its a priori categorization of humans as essentially "productive"
>mfw I provided an alternative reconstruction of human labour and the socius as inherently sacrificial and based on the disspiation of production energies in heterogeneity and difference
>mfw I even got a few sick references to Bataille and Nietzsche in
>take that, mom

[Anonymous No.5125212]

troll thread aside what is with anime watchers and their contant miuse of "trope", "deconstruction", "character development" and all of that

[not the op No.5125225]

So, I gather, what we term "deconstruction" is just over-interpretation, like what the censors have done all the time. If a text doesn't say anything that is clearly critical of the holy pope, his majesty or the general secretary of the communist party the censor just claims it implies all of that, he claims it is written between the lines and has therefore to be banned.

Moliere made a one-act play ridiculing such a "deconstruction" of one of his plays. I wish I still remembered the name.

[Anonymous No.5125239]

You aren't even Japanese you pathetic fuck.

>how do you know faggot

This ain't 2ch

You'd be deconstructing English translations of anime, which is an entirely different thing. You pretty much have to be born and raised pure Yamato to get the whole truth. Even if you were raised by Japanese people, they would react differently towards you as a visible minority.

All the innuendo and double entendres would be lost upon you. The moe'st anime could be dripping with hard-hearted sarcasm and you'd never know.

You're dealing with noblest savage ever. Don't ever think you know them.

[not the op No.5125243]

>>5125187
>a few sick references to Bataille
did you piss into her face?

[Anonymous No.5125246]

>>5125239

Go to bed Yukio.

[Anonymous No.5125249]

>>5125187
/v/ here, I think I am going to migrate here as my new home board. The funposting and b8 are just so much more witty and subtle here.

How do I get started? Analytical philosophers are the autists while continentals are the hipsters, right? Should I read Infinite Jest?

[Anonymous No.5125254]

>>5125249
Start with the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.5125285]

>>5125249
Good Christ. You can literally see those postmodern synapses joining. Abandon everything you know, take a shower, accept things for what they are (or as the "hipsters" might tell you, what they appear to be), and come back later.

[Anonymous No.5125331]

>this thread

[Anonymous No.5125332]

>>5125239

[Anonymous No.5125333]

>>5125331
It wasn't going all that badly until the c/a/tamites showed up.

[Anonymous No.5125337]

>>5125333
I want [a/jaypee] to leave.

[Anonymous No.5125338]

>>5125333
It was terrible from the beginning

>I want to write deconstructions of animes/games.
>but how do I write a deconstruction?

Jesus man

[Anonymous No.5125346]

>>5125338
Oh, what's so bad about teaching the kids about deconstruction in hip new ways, eh?

[Anonymous No.5125803]

>>5125243
I erected a new hierarchy of privileged heterogeneity in her (historical) materialist sphere, if you know what I mean.

I turned her Master into a Slave via the dialectical movement of my Aufhebung, if you know what I mean.

I showed her the ol' Big Toe... if you know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.5125810]

>>5124054
Don't forget his insatiable drive for money, where that he feels if he has enough he will finally have a 'life'.
Money to fall back on when things awry.

[Anonymous No.5125928]

>>5125803
As a subjudgated domestic labourer your mother ought to cut your fucking balls off and shove them down your throat.

[Anonymous No.5125933]

>>5125803
you're an idiot

[Anonymous No.5125950]

>>5125928
>>5125933
>getting this mad at a shitpost

[Anonymous No.5125958]

>>5125950
Welcome to /lit/, we obviously operate above your level. What do you think I'm suggesting about the Wages for Housework thesis by using it here?

[Anonymous No.5125961]

Do you think you could adapt some philosophical texts to a trollsub of an anime? Maybe something that subverts that notion of a translation or something edgy like that?

I feel like from a foreigner's perspective (as >>5125239 points out) this is the closest one could get to doing a high-brow deconstruction of this junk.

[Anonymous No.5125972]

>>5125249
> i want 2 b lyk u guys u r so smart

[Anonymous No.5125974]

>>5125249
Descartes, Plato, and Nietzsche, in that order.

[Anonymous No.5125975]

>Watching Ergo Proxy
>It's a deconstruction of the sci-fi genre
>I start deconstruction the episode as I'm watching it
>deconstruction of a deconstruction
>mfw

[Anonymous No.5125983]

>>5125961
>Do you think you could adapt some philosophical texts to a trollsub of an anime?

Yes.

>Maybe something that subverts that notion of a translation or something edgy like that?

Have you ever considered resubbing Madoka with the gospels?

OH MY GOD THEY KILLED JOHN THE BAPTIST

[Anonymous No.5125996]

>>5125983
Woah. This could potentially be deep as HECK.

Somebody who has read the bible please do it. Also add in some tid bits of freaky, self aware, 4th wall-breaking dialogue. That shit is the bee's knees.

[Anonymous No.5126011]

>>5124064
Radical Traditionalist.

[Anonymous No.5126017]

>>5124168
>leaf that allows you to go higher

well that's the chronic.

[Anonymous No.5126019]

>>5125187
i enjoyed this post

[Anonymous No.5126053]

>>5123996
Well, this is something that I could do to finally make use of my philosophical interpretation on anime. I'll deconstruct Gurren Lagann.

A new interpretation of Gurren Lagann is that it is actually predicated on Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophy. The show starts out with Simon who's thrust into a world that he must overcome through a focus on self-overcoming and willpower, something that's very Nietzschian. But even more convincing is the power through which he is able to overcome the world: "spiral power." Spiral power actually represents Nietzsche's theory of the will to power, a theory that states that all human endeavors actually are for the purpose of attaining power, be it at a conscious or subconscious level. What has led me to the conclusion that spiral power is representative of the will to power is that in Gurren Lagann the power of spiral power (one's will to power) fluctuates in accordance with the users intentions, it is infinite (the will to power has no set limit), spiral power can best be harnessed by humans rather than other animals (Simon the human and Viril the beast-man both wield spiral power, but Simon bests Viril) as stated by Lord Genome after Viril was defeated, and spiral power (the will to power) is an intrinsic part of living beings as stated by Lord Genome after he was reconstructed (The name of Lord Genome, a harnesser of spiral power, is obviously based off of the word genome).

It also should be noted that Nietzsche's concept of master and slave morality is represented by the conflict between the Spirals and Anti-Spirals. Master Morality is the morality of human improvement and is a focus on strength, virtue, and nobility whereas Slave Morality is a morality of people who fear the Master's powerful improvement and conquest that's based on love, compassion, and a hatred of destructive power. The conflict being based on the conflict between the moralities of the slaves and masters would make sense, seeing that they're both extremes and opposites, the Spirals (The Masters) are obsessed with human power, constant improvement, and growth, whereas the Anti-Spirals are obsessed with the destruction of human power, a stand-still static life, and complacency. The Spirals, just like the masters, want to improve with the will to power, and the Anti-Spirals, just like the Slaves, fear the potency of the will to power and fight back for compassion and extreme love. Simon wants to improve with the will to power (spiral power) but the Anti-Spirals don't want that improvement because they fear the destructiveness of the will to power (if the population expands too much, a black hole will occur, develop, and destroy everything).

tl;dr, the will to power (spiral power) and master and slave/master morality (Spiral vs. Anti-spirals) are expounded upon in Gurren Lagann. You can use those views to deconstruct the anime further (given that you've watched the show). Happy deconstructing, fellow anon.

[Anonymous No.5126062]

deconstruction a shit

[Anonymous No.5126167]

>>5125332
Likewise, to foreigners, Rob Ford is a bumbling laughingstock, but to the people of Toronto, who are loathed throughout Canada as soulless Randian disciples of the almighty dollar. Ford appears to exemplify the values of the suburban petty bourgeoisie who elected him. His drunkenness and penchant for drugs are pure Canadiana (Trailer Park Boys anyone?). His staunch conservative principles endear him to the suburbanites who see him as a human act of defiance against effete urban liberals.

Much like anime can only be understood properly by the Japanese, Rob Ford cannot be truly understood by Canadians outside of Toronto, much less by Foreigners. Just like Hitler appeared to be a histrionic maniac to non-Germans. He was actually strategically tapping into deeply German manners and mores.

Canada is not what you think it is, it is not some quasi-scandanavian utopia. It is very much a frontier. Yes, there are real wild injuns and coyotes living in the woods. It smells like soap. Ever been to Montreal? It's Sodom AND Gomorrah (Ile Jesus). It is a stench upon the Earth and soon God will smite it and all it's wicked denizens. People live in open violation of the law, the police are town guards who serve the highest bidder. WOW

but OP, remember. Just because you can never understand something, is no reason not to try. Why deconstruct anime when you can discover it? Why not set anime against the western context and present it as a blank canvas of lights and colours for which our Western minds form an approximation of the superior foreign artwork they imagine it to be, tired of our own myths and icons that have collected the detritus of the everyday process of life and conflict. The Japanese mind holds unknown depths. Have you ever seen Hentai, god jesus, even De Sade was bound by a Judeo-Christian frame, he was aware that he was doing wrong, the hentai masters have none of this.

Anime isn't supposed to be deconstructed, it is still being constructed. After the end of history comes a new prehistory, the memetic adaptation of digital culture is our oral tradition.

If you think about it, being young and alive right now is like being born after the generation that invented fire. A little awe and reverence is in order. Who knows what happens next?

[Anonymous No.5126226]

>>5126167
I fukt ur tr8lr pak boi

[Anonymous No.5126244]

>>5126226
Not even the anon you replied to, but you really should stop shit-posting. If you're going to reprimand someone, do it in a constructive manner that would actually accomplish something.

[Anonymous No.5126289]

>>5126244
If you're incapable of reading that the idea of canadian specificity is as specious as Touhou specificity from what I wrote you're illiterate in internet.

[Anonymous No.5126356]

>>5126167
Every single new thing he does just makes me more determined to vote for him. It turns out he bent the entire rehab centre to his will, met a drinking buddy in one of the fellow inmates, loaned her his Mercedes, and she got arrested driving drunk in it.

I am pretty sure this is exactly how Greek constitutional governments turned into tyrannies. All it takes is one Rob Ford being more interesting as a hegemon than the bureaucratic process that preceded him.

[Anonymous No.5126378]

>>5125249
Just read Stirner and call every philosophical concept you see a spook

[Anonymous No.5126884]

>>5126053
brb copying this to /a/

[Anonymous No.5127593]

>>5126884
OK. I'm fine with that.

[Anonymous No.5127597]

>>5126884

send us a link won't you?

[Anonymous No.5127617]

>>5126378
Can confirm this. Although the introduction that was added in my version from 1894 tries to hinder that effect.

[Anonymous No.5127847]

>>5126053
Poster of this post reporting in. I posted this in /a/ (>>>/a/110274257).

Wow, what a bunch of whiny bitches. They can't be entertained with anything but moeshit anime. I just tried to give them something with a bit more meaning, and they flip out. I might delete the thread.

Superiority of /lit/ confirmed.

[Anonymous No.5127856]

>>5127847

>nietzsche didn't deconstruct anything, derrida never used "deconstruct" in the sense you mean it, analysis is not deconstruction, deconstruction is not a method.

hahah, he got us there

[Anonymous No.5127878]

>>5127856
>nietzsche didn't deconstruct anything, derrida never used "deconstruct" in the sense you mean it, analysis is not deconstruction, deconstruction is not a method.

Just finished reading that on the actual thread. I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair. Even the smartest people on /a/ are fucking retards.
>mfw

[Anonymous No.5128000]

>>5124079

It's a principality.
Q.E.D.

[Anonymous No.5128009]

>>5127878
But that line is actually correct. Nietzsche doesn't deconstruct and Derrida's deconstruction is a textual even wherein the text actually undermines it's structure or the author's intention.

[Anonymous No.5128025]

>>5127878
>>5127856
>>5127847
Idiots confirmed for neither reading nor understanding Derrida and Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.5128036]

>>5128009
I disagree with you on some points and would argue, but that's not even the fucking hilarious part. Saying that deconstruction isn't a method and saying that this >>5126053 wasn't a deconstruction really made me fall off my chair.

[Anonymous No.5128056]

>>5128036
Well it's not a method and >>5126053 is not deconstruction.

That post is a nietzschean analysis of the anime. A very simple deconstruction would be "Gurren Laggan wants to propose us a nietzschean view of morality, yet this character's words and this character actions clearly show the errors and limitation of nietzsche's view, opening up the possibility for a morality which is neither slave nor master"

[Anonymous No.5128116]

>>5128056
Refer to my post on /a/ (>>>/a/110277666)

Also, trips on that post.

[Anonymous No.5128471]

>>5128025
you can't tell it's satire? 99% of this thread is satire

[Anonymous No.5128569]

>>5125249
>>>/sticky/

[Anonymous No.5129659]

>>5126053
Not to be rude but this attempt at analysis is very weak and shallow with no real explanation to why this view runs corollary.

[Anonymous No.5130215]

>>5125249
the funposting and b8 get a lot less witty and subtle when you actually start to read

that being said, I still love stirner memes

[Anonymous No.5130297]

>>5126356
I'm glad one of you gets it.

Especially so if Rob Ford, personally or politically, spites bureaucracy.
Bureaucracy is a familiar foe to all Canadians.

[Anonymous No.5131412]

>>5124084
not him but I wrote about Arcanum for my HSC, and wrote material for Deus Ex: HR and Pathologic

I like it. A lot of effort goes into games but they remain largely outside of 'formal' criticism