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>that guy who takes this book seriously and mentions he read Machiavelli

>> No.5119451
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5119451

>the favorite book of he-who-must-not-be-named

>> No.5119461

it's fine if they're a teenager...worse when i see adults praising this book.

>> No.5119465

>>5119389

Whats wrong with this book and The Prince?

>> No.5119656

Are you one of those fags that don't like Machiavelli or Orwell because of memes?

>> No.5119737

>>5119656

Maybe they dislike the people who have never read Orwell going on about newspeak, thoughtcrime and doublethink on every possible occasion. Or the people who misunderstand Macchiavelli (and who haven't read the Prince).

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>>5119451
Oh. My. GLOB.

Look at those luscious lips.

>> No.5119953

>>5119389
The worst are people who utilize the content of the book, are passive aggressive and claim not to utilize the content, publicly dislike the book, and disparage those who like it.

>> No.5119959

Some of them are good. Shrug

>> No.5120003

>>5119389
confirmed for moralfag who's never read the book

>> No.5120007

>>5119737
I hope you're not a dummy-dum-dums that thinks The Prince is satire

>> No.5120029

What qualifies Robert Greene to write about the 'Laws of Power'? His own life is a statement to not trust anything he says about acquiring power.

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5120047

>>5120029
You've been dismissed for a ORANGE level post: Ad hominem.

>> No.5120060

>>5120047
>responding to tone
>namecalling

>> No.5120067

>>5120029
Well, to be fair, Machiavelli didn't exactly live the high life either

>> No.5120071

>>5120060
What?
I don't understand. Are you claiming my post was fallacious? Or are you disagreeing with the Ad hom designation, and suggesting the tone/name calling is more appropriate?

>> No.5120086

>>5120047
>busting out your little charts and graphs when engaging with human beings

>> No.5120098

>>5120086
>being this buttmad
>b-b-but i didn't get to say "citation needed"

>> No.5120101

>>5120007
The Prince is satire.

>> No.5120111

>>5120101
Having a healthy sense of humor and irony =/= satire

>> No.5120114

>>5120101
the bible was satire

>> No.5120130

>>5120114
>>5120101
Atlas Shrugged is satire.

>> No.5120188

>>5120101
This post (and this one) is satire

>> No.5120248

>>5119451
he looks like batman in year 100

>> No.5120337

>>5120101
the hollercaust was satire

>> No.5120350

TFW Huxley's fears were true

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>>5120350
oh fuck off you fat wanker

>> No.5120428

>>5119465
>Whats wrong with this book and The Prince?

90% of the people who said they read it really haven't. A good chunk of the book is dealing with local Florentine politics which is a very dry read.

>> No.5120503

>>5120428
>48 Laws of Power
90% of the negative reviews on Amazon are by moralfags who haven't read it either.

>> No.5120528

This book is terrible and you're terrible for liking it

>> No.5120540

>>5120428
>A good chunk of the book is dealing with local Florentine politics which is a very dry read

It's only dry to philistines.

>> No.5120567

>>5120528
cool story bro.

>> No.5120962

>>5120503
lol if you think only moralfags hate it then you're one of those readers who think they're clever than they are

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>>5119389
>Sun Tzu - The Art of War

>> No.5121214

>>5120973
i found it entertaining, like the history channel shows about battle strategy

nothing like the self help book everyone thinks it is

>> No.5123361

>>5120962
Excellent either-or fallacy, you twat.

>> No.5123400

>>5119389
The 48 Laws of Power (1998) is the first book by American author Robert Greene.[1] The book is a bestseller.[2][3] It has sold over 1.2 million copies in the United States[citation needed] and is popular with prison inmates and celebrities.

>prison inmates

>> No.5123402

>>5121214
Second. I don't see how people get business strategy out of "look at the dust your enemy kicks up to determine whether they're collecting firewood."

>> No.5123439

This book was excellent.

It made me realize how manipulable people really are.

Like, the two major individuals I come across in my line of study and work are also the two archetypes here on 4chan: shut-in NEET nerds, and white liberal hipsters.

Both are so easily manipulated by the strategies in this book. For NEETs you just need to pretend to be dumber than them, and they totally underestimate you allowing you to operate under their radar. For hipster douchelords, you just need to pretend to be something that they hate, like a right wing jock. In fact, the awesome thing about this is that hipster women LOVE being fucked hard by alpha male jocks, because right wing is the new bad boy of the hipster world. So you can cuckold the hipster women from under the effeminate hipster white males who try desperately to be edgy and wanted, when they are peddling last-year's hotness.

10/10 book. Would read again.

>> No.5123464

>>5120101
Your birth was satire.

>> No.5123498

>>5123439
NEET with cuck fetish here

Post more

>> No.5123549

>>5123400
your point?

>>5123439
moar

>> No.5123602

>>5119451
look at him, he looks magnificent!

>> No.5123688

It's not cunning to be cunning. These books are for folk that would rather be Cain than Abel, not realizing that though Cain outlived Abel he lived with a miserable curse.
Remember that it will profit you nothing to gain the whole world if you lose your soul. What good is it to be king of the world when you've lost the love and compassion that makes life worth living? It isn't cunning to be cunning.

>> No.5123961

He stressed in several parts of the book how easy it is to "lose your soul" >>5123688 in the Reverse sections. Its a fact that you must use people and use situations to get where you want in life. If you read just the table of contents , the list of laws, then you will probably feel like he is trying to teach you how to be a cold demon but that isnt true. If anything, the book teaches you how to recognise power changes and uses in the real world, which has been the case for me since I read it a few years ago.
I've read 48 laws, and Mastery by him, and own 33 stratagies of war which I haven't read yet. He is a great author in my opinion.

>> No.5123970

>>5123439
>. In fact, the awesome thing about this is that hipster women LOVE being fucked hard by alpha male jocks, because right wing is the new bad boy of the hipster world. So you can cuckold the hipster women from under the effeminate hipster white males who try desperately to be edgy and wanted, when they are peddling last-year's hotness.

women like being fucked by masculine men, no doubt about it, but i doubt you're getting any pussy.

>it made me realize how manipulable people really are

you always suspected they were manipulable, you've just been manipulated into thinking this shit book's tactics are the superior way of being a little sociopathic faggot.

>> No.5123972

>>5123688
>>5123961
It's martial arts.

Ostensibly its only value is harming other people. But a smart person will learn for self-defense.

Unfortunately, a few reckless douchebags can sully the reputation of the art itself.

>> No.5123979

>>5123970
>shit book's tactics
Not him, but it doesn't talk tactics. At all. It gives the big picture. You would know this if you'd bothered to read it.

>little sociopathic faggot
I sense butthurt and personal experience here. Care to share?

>> No.5123993

>>5123979
i read it when i was maybe 15.

>personal experience here.
just tired of edgy kids thinking their little "how to be the next awful person who makes people around him miserable" guidebooks aren't transparently desperate.

>> No.5124003

>>5123972
Yes, I agree.

As well, I feel like mastery was a much juicier read. Inspiring and informative, I find that I had my first introduction to many important cultural and scientific figures in it. I picked up In search of Lost Time after reading the bit about Proust. It was so interesting to know how his novel was put together, and I feel that reading through lost time while understanding in creation helped me to appreciate it more.

>> No.5124106

>>5123993
were you one of the edgy kids you now despise?

>> No.5124314

>>5123979
>le edgy mastur manipulator face xD

this book blows. actual legit successful people will smell this sort of bullshit miles away. this only works if you live in some court power grab during the middle ages.

>> No.5124338

>>5120086
>being wrong

>> No.5124751

>>5124314
SRS, pls go

>> No.5125024

LOL at people denying the legitimate lessons in psychology from Greene's books.

>> No.5125027

>>5124751
Look who it is again!

>> No.5125070

>>5119389
>every business and law undergrad
>hurr gonna be Gordon Gekko/Octavian ruthless puppetmaster

>> No.5125160

>>5123439
You're the "alpha" of a pack of animals. You pride yourself in using a popular writer's ideas to the task of manipulating the stupid and the weak-willed. You would be first among idiots.

>> No.5125183

>>5119389
Why isn't it called Humiliation? Isn't that the single most powerful lever in all humane interaction?

>> No.5125291

>>5123439
wow manipulating self- absorbed hipsters and depressed NEETs

sure is aiming high

>> No.5125305

Power is scary guys ;_;

>> No.5125316

Here's the book summed up for you:

Just lie to people. Lie and deceive and you'll have your fucking power.

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>>5123464

>> No.5125437

>>5125070
That's a generic observation. You can do that for any book.

>every pretentious English major faggot
>hurr gonna be DFW/CMac literary genius!

>>5125316
no. that's an elementary understanding of the book.

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5125453

>>5120101

>> No.5125482

>>5125437
What's written in the book is just specific instances of it. And I know it's general approaches, but in truth, with people you need operational awareness.

If you just practice lying often, you'll soon get a sense for when how to manipulate people either way. Reading the book without prior practice can do anything from being useless to making you paranoid.

>> No.5125491

>>5119953
Gahaha

>> No.5125505

>>5119953
>tfw a group of my friends are going to host a pseudo-intervention for another friend who has an inferiority complex
>tfw this book only fuels his autism and passive aggressive forced domineering tendencies
I'm starting to get very bitter towards him and resent him, which is hard to admit since we've had such a strong friendship in the past.

>> No.5125545

It's a legitimately good book and a minor classic of belles lettres. It is popular because it is both true and immoral; our period of history is has an unprecedented willingness to contemplate the immoral, e.g. horror films. It titillates us; we enjoy clucking together about the subject.
If it makes you feel better, pedant, clinging to books like a raft on a sea of idiots, it will eventually slip out of popular culture due to the idiocy of those idiots. Are slick men in double breasted suits still making oh so wise references to Sun Tzu? No. They have no enduring intellectual interests; they enjoy controversy and fads. This toy will lose its sparkle.

But for all that it is a shiny new toy for idiots, it is a good and true book for the rest of us.

>> No.5125552

>>5119389
This book as a collection of anecdotes is actually really entertaining.

>> No.5125596

>>5125482
Jesus, it's a history book with vague narration about modern day application.

Only faggots, edgy teens, and the grossly misinformed see it as anything more.

Even the Art of Seduction isn't as "cutthroat" as people think.

>>5125505
>this happened

>> No.5125627

>>5125596
Going to happen. We're still trying to figure out a way to break it to him as gently and efficiently as possible. It'd more or less break a good portion of his identity and strip his ego naked to the truth of his inferiority complex that he's been apparently hiding for years from himself, so it's not looking very good for us.

Don't become that guy anons

>> No.5125639

>>5125596
>with vague narration about modern day application.
I don't remember that. Wasn't it mostly stating principle and providing illustration from history? If it's just a history book, the selection is extremely specific.

>> No.5125976

>>5125545

Do you have a blog?

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5125988

>Its nuttin compared to Sun Tuh-Zu, he was the Chinese Prince Machiavelli

>> No.5126022

>>5125988
lel

>> No.5126193

>>5125639
>I don't remember that
reread it then, dickhead.

until then, your opinion based on faulty memory is irrelevant.

>> No.5126216

>>5126193

>"I was coaxed into a snafu by someone who read the book, now I hate the book"

>> No.5126725

>>5120047
You are an ass hat.

>> No.5127572

>>5126725
Brilliant. well done!