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When black people read do they picture all of the characters being black? I know that when I read, unless explicitly stated I always picture every character white, so I was curious if people of different races pictured people as their race by default

>> No.5100853

Brown here. Always white.

>> No.5100878

No.

>> No.5100883

>>5100853
This. I guess that's a consequence of living in a majority white country though.

>> No.5100905

i think i was never more proud when i realized racism was the only thing between me and better eating

>> No.5100907

I love how the default race for situations with minorities is always black

>> No.5100910

>>5100905

is this a non sequitur?

>> No.5100912

>>5100907
i like how it's still concurrently an issue with people lacking or being disadvantaged

you would think being a minority enables you to have more today

>> No.5100919

>>5100912

what the hell are you even trying to say?

>> No.5100921

>>5100919
Minorities are a complex slew of progammed political statements

they don't know what an advantage is because they spend their days finding ways to talk about how they don't have any

>> No.5100927

>>5100921

oh, yeah, I thought you were complaining they didn't have enough advantages

>> No.5100934

>>5100921
How would you know if you're not a minority? You can't understand a book unless you read it...

>> No.5100937

>>5100927
THAT'S COMPLETELY FEASIBLE IN TODAY'S SOCIETY

>> No.5100944
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5100944

>>5100883
>>5100853
Brown here also

Wtf, if the character is described as being the charcaceristics of being to that specific ethnicity then that is how it is to be imagined.
If the book is written in the West and the story si set in an English or gives vibes of Western orientaion the characters are Euros, if the setting is filled with culture from the East and charcater names are 'Quao' or 'Anita' then its Eastern .

Are you lot retarded, is this thread retarded?Are these the people i spend 24/7 a day talking too

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>>5100944
>unless explicitly stated

I don't know about the other guy but I was taking the setting, names etc. into account when considering the ethnicity 'explicitly stated'. Christ, if I was reading a book set in Mumbai and the protagonist was called Sanjay, I wouldn't automatically assume he was Caucasian merely because the author hadn't asserted that he wasn't.

>> No.5100985

I'm black and I've completely ignored the fact that some characters were black by accident a few times, and I only realised because it lead to confusion down the road.

>> No.5101019

I lold so hard

This is the kind of stuff I talked about with my brother before bed

>what does the end of the universe look like?
>how did god make himself?
>what if everyone sees colors differently?
>do black people think everyone in stories is black?

>> No.5101119

Even when I know the characters aren't white I sitll think of them as white. Like I read Dream of the Red Chamer and think a girl named Jia Baoyu is white

>> No.5101171

I do the white thing too, but I also get a first impression in my head that's almost impossible to change, like I'll read something later about their appearance that conflicts with what I imagined but it's impossible for me to view them any other way than what I first thought.

>> No.5101296

>>5100944
>>5100853
Brown too.
Honestly, for me it sometimes depends on the writer's nationality, like I very readily assumed that all of Murakami's characters were Japanese, including the first person narrator because I knew the writer was Japanese. I also tend to read text in a man or woman's voice depending on the gender of the author as well regardless of what gender the narrator is. Of course, I try to avoid assuming things...*shrugs*

>> No.5101335

depends on the setting of the book

old/european books i assume an englishman

modern books i assume an american or englishman, if it isn't situated near asia or the middle-east

if the character speaks stereotypically, i also use that

>> No.5101344

I don't know when is a murrica book. Guidos,afro, asian or latins...

>> No.5101354

>>5101119
This.

>> No.5101692

If they grow up in a country where everyone in films, children's books, and television are white, why wouldn't they default to all the characters being white in their head?

Alternatively, I lived in a neighborhood that was more minority than white, and any time I read a character who reminds me of someone from my childhood I imagine them as that person, leading to a lot of random white characters being turned black or Hispanic in my head because they remind me of someone in particular.

My girlfriend wanted me to read Watchers by Dean Koontz (pretty much exactly what you'd expect, but entertaining nonetheless) and I swore up and down that yes, the book mentions that Travis is black because I spent the whole book thinking of him as black. I think he just reminded me of one of my neighbors from childhood who was nice but very solemn.

tl;dr, My guess is that representation in other media (like tv and film) determines what representation our minds give characters when we read. Also, if you can substitute a character with someone you know from your own life you probably will and that could also determine the character's race

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5101702

>buy Hannu Rajaniemi book
>automatically assume that the main character looks Finngolian like the author
>his name is Jean le Flambeur

>> No.5101703

>>5100841
Not black, but I am Hispanic.

I always picture the characters as whatever the author is (or I assume the author is by name).

>> No.5101706

I believe dark-skinned people like to be referred to as "niggers," OP.

>> No.5101710

>>5101702
Funny, I pictured Spurdo.

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5101737

Been told that if you ae black, you see a black animal with white stripes and if you're white, you see a white animal with black stripes.

Just finished The Bat by Jo Nesbo and being a Norwegian detective in Australia, he described his characters as back or white, so I can't help you with your question.

>> No.5101745

Does anyone else not really picture their characters in any real sense? There's no image of them in my head, they're just the symbol or potentiality of a person.

>> No.5101784

>>5100841
nope i picture them the way the writer describes them

>> No.5101832

>>5101745

Yeah, similar here. I guess some people are more visual.

>> No.5101842

>>5100841
Black people cant read.

>> No.5101854

>>5101745
i do that too, i never really bother to picture them or if i do i just imagine them however i want; i especially hate it when some author spends 2 pages describing every feature of the dudes face, does it really matter what shape the guy's nose is or the shape of his chin? really? i always find this a bit overreaching on the author's part, at least leave your reader the freedom to choose their own faces, unless it's supposed to be some crypto-anti-semitic thing where they describe a faintly jewish nose to forshadow that the character is a villain or something

>> No.5101877

>>5100841
As a Dane with very few non white friends growing up I always pictured characters as white when I was younger.
Even Cho Chang from Harry Potter and Shadow from American Gods I pictured as white. Farishta and Chamcha from The Satanic Verses I pictured the same way.

I just don't give a fuck. The colour of a character's skin is only important when situations of discriminations occur, otherwise I don't visualize it.

>> No.5101889

I world build in my head as I read and update/correct my imagined world based on new information.

The characters are always white unless mentioned.

>> No.5102168

>Reads Lolita
>Assumes Lolita and her mother are hispanic/mexian
>Vladimir Vladimirovich Nabokov
It usually depends on how the characters "feel" so it can be a bit random sometimes.

>> No.5102206

>>5100841
The way people see a generic human is more based on the dominant culture they live in than on what their own color is.
If you're a white guy born and raised in China, primarily speaking Chinese, the default human to you will likely be Chinese.

>> No.5102242

I don't imagine them to be of any race. I don't imagine them to be dim or intelligent either until the book gives me a hint. Why would I?