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[Anonymous No.5043927]

When did you realize that the pursuit of pleasure was the only true way to live life?

[Anonymous No.5043937]

>>5043927
I don't think I've ever truly unlearned this natural and glorious approach.

[Anonymous No.5043940]

I thought so too but then I grew up and read Schopenhauer and he convinced me earthly pleasures are nothing more than lies whereas suffering is real

[Anonymous No.5043944]

When i was seventeen and had a lot of cannabis.

No man, the only way to live life is to live in the moment. Maybe not enjoying it, but experiencing nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.5043948]

like 16

[Anonymous No.5043953]

>>5043927
Right before I realized I'm not the center of the universe.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.5043955]

>>5043940
You are weak willed, and have more growth ahead of you. Cast aside cranky old men

[Anonymous No.5043962]

>>5043955
>Stirner

pls. I'd rather read the real philosophers.

[None !!lZetafI6z8s No.5043983]

>>5043940
schopenhauer just teaches you to complain and avoid, simply ignoring suffering (bearing without complaint) in search of enjoyment leads to a better life than is offered to the schopenhauerian

[Anonymous No.5043988]

>>5043983
You can't ignore suffering. I don't know if something really shitty has ever happened to you in your life, like the death of a loved one, but you can't just ignore it and pretend everything is alright.

[Anonymous No.5043997]

>>5043940
Why would pleasure be a lie but suffering not?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.5044006]

>>5043962
"Real" being those who have written more or "real" as in those who validate ones own belief system?

[None !!lZetafI6z8s No.5044030]

>>5043988
having a loved one die on you is a special case, philosophy in that hell would be worthless to me (in the same way that it's worthless to me in regards to being in love with living person), i'd have to come back to the living before resuming any kind of systematic thought. i usually imagine schopenhauer as dealing with the comparably petty scale of daily sufferings and disappointments, toothaches, having your girlfriend break up with you, etc.

[Anonymous No.5044039]

>>5043997
Because pleasure is just a very short moment and then you go back to your normal state of mind again whereas suffering lasts for a very long time.

[Anonymous No.5044041]

Do you guys see hedonism & the pursuit of pleasure as concomitant with the decrease of self-sacrifice and austerity on your own life?

Because if you really want to get to know the good shit life has to offer wouldn't it take a certain effort? A certain degree of... money? culture? of moderation, to enjoy things without being worsened or damaged by it?

If I were to pick hedonism as a lifestyle I'd probably have to start out by becoming a lot more ascetic on my habits

[Anonymous No.5044042]

>>5044006
"Real" as in not a fucking butterfly

[Anonymous No.5044043]

>>5043940
He loved and pursued pleasure none the less, though.

[Anonymous No.5044045]

>>5044030
>i usually imagine schopenhauer as dealing with the comparably petty scale of daily sufferings and disappointments, toothaches, having your girlfriend break up with you, etc.
Schop talks about suffering in general, whether it be big or small

[Anonymous No.5044049]

>>5044006
Real as in not a cartoon drawn by Friedrich Engels

[Anonymous No.5044051]

>>5043927
When a commercial taught me that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKQI6gfDO6c

[Anonymous No.5044050]

>>5044039
>it is only short so it is not real
What kind of logic is that?

[Anonymous No.5044053]

>>5044043
>He loved and pursued pleasure none the less, though.
He pursued the absence of pain, like the Epicureans. He didn't actively search for pleasure (like money, women etc.) because he believed something like that does not exist.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.5044060]

>>5044042
Stirner, or any other philosophers, aren't butterflies.

>>5044049
We don't know what a lot of philosophers look like

No serious answers.
Out reading

[Anonymous No.5044061]

Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;
What is good is easy to get, and
What is terrible is easy to endure

[Anonymous No.5044064]

>>5044060
>that unwarranted status update

Even lesbians can not escape the curse of womanhood.

[Anonymous No.5044065]

>>5044060
I don't think Stirner had ears.

[Anonymous No.5044066]

The moment that I realized I could only be happy if I was miserable.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.5044069]

>>5044061
And we're all going to die anyway.

>>5044053
Exactly. He was juts a grump.

[None !!lZetafI6z8s No.5044080]

>>5044045
i know that, what i mean to say is that suffering which destroys rationality through an overpowering of emotions can be left out of a system of thought until you can come to terms with it (and not through schopenhauer), and suffering which doesn't is best bore without complaint (the opposite of schopenhauer's philosophy of complaint) for a better life

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.5044081]

>>5044064
>that unwarranted status update
Even men can't escape the "curse" of womanhood.

>>5044066
>Ren Hoek

[Anonymous No.5044096]

“Making happiness the focal point of your life trivializes it, because in order to regard anything as truly important, you also have to regard its loss as truly meaningful. Opening yourself up to moments of deep meaning simultaneously means that you have to open yourself up to the possibility of deep hurt and sorrow.

You do that anytime, for example, you make a relationship profound, you put your emotions on the line and that has to be real, or else the relationship can’t be real. To hope that sort of risk could be obliterated by the indulgence in a simplistic form of happiness is to shrink in cowardice from the demands real human existence places on people.”

-Jordan B. Peterson, CBC Idea’s “Say No to Happiness”

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/Ideas/ID/2458656516/

[Anonymous No.5044099]

>>5044050

let me put it like this

>desire X
>suffer because you desire X
>finally acquire X
>be happy for a few moments
>go back to desiring something else
>desire Y
>suffer because you desire Y
>finally acquire Y
>be happy for a few moments
>go back desiring something else

This is the paradox of hedonism. Your desire for happiness makes you always want more happiness, thus there's never enough happiness thus you'll never be happy.

[None !!lZetafI6z8s No.5044149]

>>5044099
this isn't always how it works, for me it's more:

>desire X
>anticipate the coming of X
>anticipation creates happiness
>finally acquire X
>acquisition creates happiness
>go back to desiring something else
>desire Y
>anticipate the coming of Y
>anticipate creates happiness
>finally acquire Y
>acquisition creates happiness
>go back desiring something else

and so on and so on, disappointment i bear stoically as well as pain (only because it's better that way)

[Anonymous No.5044162]

>>5044099
That's only unrefined plebeian hedonism. Epicureanism and buddhism and hedonisms like that pretty much solve this.

[Anonymous No.5044165]

>>5044099
You don't understand much about life, do you? Did you ever actually feel pleasure? Do you actually live? It does not work like that. Pleasure is not just one moment in a chain of painful events. The whole thing is the pleasure.

[Anonymous No.5044167]

>>5044053
That's what he preached. In reality he fucked a lot of bitches, fathered a bastard child, lived a comfortable rich life, ate in fancy restaurants twice a day and went to the theatre every evening.

[Anonymous No.5044905]

>>5044165
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.5044952]

>>5044905
Have fun being miserable then, I guess?

[Anonymous No.5045102]

>>5043927

I spent my adolescence doing anything I wanted all day, which for a lot of it was playing video games and smoking weed/consuming other drugs on occasion, along with girls.

It just got boring after a while.

I mean, I still do some of that stuff, but self-improvement and setting/accomplishing goals is there as well, all about balance.