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Thoughts?

>> No.5028787 [DELETED] 

I gotta big dick.

>> No.5028789

not so "great" if you ask me

>> No.5028796

>>5028789
can you please explain?

>> No.5028800 [DELETED] 

>>5028796
He doesn't have a big dick, and thus needs to put other down.

>> No.5028801

>>5028786
i am unqualified to judge

>> No.5028808 [DELETED] 

>>5028800
>>5028787
wot

>> No.5028841

>>5028786
Revival of the classical Greek Dionysian hero.

>> No.5028860

>>5028786
It's a fucking masterpiece, anyone who says otherwise is a hopeless contrarian. That being said, there's not a whole lot to be said about it at this point.

Has anyone read any other Fitzgerald?

>> No.5028889

>>5028786
>"And although he was sure to be soon washed away and forgotten by the vindictive waves of time, I will always, forever remember him as The Great Gatbsy"

Find a better ending line to a novel, /lit/.
Pro-tip: You can't

>> No.5028915

>>5028889
Oh, for fuck's sake. Take your epic may mays back to /tv/.

>> No.5028925

Hello, I am a pleb. Could somebody link me to a paper on this which explains why it's good? Thanks.

>> No.5028949

>>5028925
Do you have access to jstor?
>http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/25115310?uid=3739568&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104172153697

>> No.5028954

>>5028786

The lowest and the weakest of the classics in American literature even in comparison to Hemingway or Woolf. Later writters like Faulkner, Melville and Steinbeck made it look like a disney flick in comparison to their works.

>> No.5028955

>>5028949
Unfortunately not

>> No.5028957

>>5028954
>Woolf
>American

Unless I'm wrong she's English.

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>>5028954
>Later writers like Melville

>> No.5028977

>>5028966

Melville's tragedy is that he never received the praise he deserved during his lifetime and Moby Dick came to be appreciated as the great American masterpeice only during the 1920's.

>> No.5029093

>>5028954
I agree with you on Faulkner, because, let's face it, he's the greatest American writer of the 20th Century (and possibly of all time). But I also think you had an extremely shallow reading of The Great Gatsby if you think it's "the lowest and the weakest of the classics".

>> No.5029117

>>5028889
what the fuck is so good in tht

>he is forgotten
>i remember him
wow just fucking 10/10 nobody COULD EVER hope to achieve this, right?

>> No.5029137

It's too old. It didn't age well at all and none of the themes present in the book are relevant to the modern age.

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>>5029137


"They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”

Surely couldn't apply to any class of people who may have wrecked the world economy in recent years.

>> No.5029170

>>5029137
You never payed the high price for living too long with a single dream?

>> No.5029177

>>5028786
A great classic and a must read, lot's of themes to explore regarding class, alcoholism and how much you can trust the protagonist as a storyteller.

>> No.5029207

>>5028786
Terrible.
Rich fucks kill each other and fuck off into oblivion. What a beautiful novel.

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>> No.5029241

>>5028786
Pretty awful but the last page is some beautiful prose.

>> No.5029292

>>5029137
You're trolling, right?

>> No.5029323

It's a good book but I think a lot of people dislike it and consider it "pleb" material since it's taught in many high schools, and therefore not obscure.

>> No.5029344

>>5029241
The last page is good, but not exactly outstanding. It's in no way "better" than other passages in the novel, you're just placing inordinate emphasis on it because it happens to be on the last page.

>> No.5029346

>>5029344
BOATS AGAINST THE CURRENT

>> No.5029386

>>5029163

Tom and Daisy were WASPs though, not Jews

>> No.5029394

>>5029323

This. There are two kinds of readers: those who understand that Gatsby is the Great American Novel (or at least one of a small handful of contenders for that title), and those who are just trying to be contrarian.

>> No.5029437

>>5029323
I did not read it in high school since I never went to any high school, and I liked it, but only parts of it, and consider it "overrated". The prose is absolutely beautiful, but the story is nothing special, the symbolism is not hamfisted, but lacks subtlty (safe for some details, for example there is a part where Gatsby accidentally knocks over a vase or something, and attempts to put it back exactly as it was, but never quite manages to do so - since the past is lost). The ending is probably the best part of it all.

And while I like this book and think that it captures the spirit of the 20s quite well, I'll have to say, without trying to discredit the work of Fitzgerald itself, that many readers, especially women, just like the book because they lust after the time and its lifestyle. I'm not saying this out of any edgy spite for women, I am basing this purely on my own (anecdotal) evidence.

>> No.5029535

>>5029437
This is a very good assessment of the book.

>> No.5029538

>>5028860
Its massively overrated. Like all token syllabus texts from US.
Beautiful n damned is shit.
So is diamond and his other shorts.
Tender is the night is the only one worth keeping on your shelf in my opinion. Beautiful. Everyone has one book. That's his.

>> No.5029635

>>5029344
The relief of getting this overrated fishwrap over with might have been a factor.

>> No.5031143

Thoughts are things that happen over cartoon heads, like bubbles.

>> No.5031184

>>5031143
The question is, what is a thought? Is it bound to the chemical reaction in your brain that carries the information? Or is the thought information itself?

>> No.5031195

>>5031184
Thoughts are higher emotions that take place in the brain and that you have somewhat but limited control over.

>> No.5031217

>>5029323
>"pleb" material since it's taught in many high schools


Not surprised since people tend to think that even regarding edgar allan poe.

In regard of Gatsby, it's not a bad story, the main theme regarding the conservation in vain of a past long gone is decently treated and Nick's narration make you comfortable almost like hearing an old friend telling you a story,but there are many uninteresting bits that make the narration bland and painfully boring.

Honestly nothing special and vastly overrated, but it's short and not that horrible; why shouldn't people at least read it one time in their life ?

>> No.5031238

>>5029437
So everything thats important is done well, and everything that doesnt really matter as much isnt done as well.

k.

>> No.5031240

>>5031238
Sorta, but it has its boring parts.

>> No.5031323

>>5029163
This to me is one of the most important lines in the novel. It's not that Tom and Daisy and even Nick are actively evil, really. They just don't care. The big bankers and media moguls and that aren't all in a darkened room laughing about their evil plot to rule the world or whatever, they just don't care. And that's worse, in a way.

>> No.5031326

>>5031323
*aren't actively

>> No.5031337

>>5031195
>implying "you" and "thoughts" are two separate entities.

>> No.5031339

>>5031337
You'd like to think so, but you're everything contained within the skin, thoughts included as well as the shit that comes out of your ass.

>> No.5031344

liked it a lot. it's really really short but still leaves a strong image of the characters and the world they live in.

maybe not one of the greatest novels of all time but very good still

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>> No.5031356

>>5031346
"What has George R.R. Martin achieved in one book, let alone four?"

Something that's actually fucking entertaining.

>> No.5031358

>>5031346
>you can read gatsby in literally a couple of hours

>> No.5031403

>>5028786
The plot was boring, but it was a very meaningful novel.

>> No.5031458

>>5031403
>Reading it for the soap opera plot

All the cool kids on /lit/ are rubbing their dicks all over it for the prose

>> No.5031459

>>5031403
>very meaningful

What a very meaningless description

>> No.5031494

>>5031346

Jesus christ kids on /lit/ are something incredible; and i don't even like GoT for fuck's sake.

Saying that a person shouldn't read,watch or listen to bad works of art it's an entirely wrong concept, not only you can learn from the mistakes done by those authors, but amazingly you can even find some interesting bits in a bad book.
Taking the words of any philosopher as granted is the first basic mistake that one can do in philosophy.

But hell who give a shit here in /lit/ 90% of the users perpetuate this mistake and take great joy from it.

>> No.5031501

>>5031403

Meaningful how? What did it give meaning to?

>> No.5031527

>>5028860
>>5029538
>Beautiful n damned is shit.

How? I just finished it today and thoroughly enjoyed it. I agree it starts pretty slow and has its low boring points but it quickly accelerates in plot progression and themes.

It's a surprisingly intense story about a young couple in love, and I fucking despise love stories. I can't even stand songs with lyrics about love. Some parts were even better than Gatsby.

>> No.5031584

boring
unexciting
too much alcohol glorification
too much bad aspects of murrica

over hyped / 10

>> No.5031590

10/10 timeless classic

the babe ruth of books

>> No.5031601

interesting how many of you mentioned the time period or trying to put things back the way they were. what I took from it was the materialism, decadence, superficiality of the lifestyle described. gold toilet seat, etc. and at the end, gatsby still wasn't happy or didn't find what he wanted. pretty much the american dream lifestyle.

and the BACKS WIND ROWBOATS

>> No.5031694

>>5031601
No, man, he wasn't happy because he fucking died holy shit.

>> No.5031718

>>5031694
He wasn't happy because he wasn't fucking Daisy, idiot. Also because of what anon said.

>> No.5031741

>>5028889
>and so we beat on, boats against the current, born back ceaselessly into the past

>> No.5031745

>>5029437
the bit you're talking about is gatsby smashing a clock and being unable to fix it -- he realises he is unable to control time

>> No.5031754

>>5031356
>dante is not entertaining

sure is summer in here

>> No.5032312

>>5031745
Just like poor Quentin...

>> No.5032321

>>5028786
The cover reminds me of the matrix when Morpheus is offering Neo the two pills and you see one hand with a pill in each of his lenses. It's like that, only that chick is looking at two naked ladies.

I mean really, look at her eyes, if she was looking at one naked lady, it would be the same image twice, but the mirroring only happens if you're looking at something else, I mean really, why is everyone overlooking this? That's not how mirrors or eyes work.

inb4 Jayden, and also there's no > here because greentext doesn't work in a spoiler.

>> No.5032333

>>5032312
No Quentin smashes the watch to try and remove the awareness of time.

>> No.5032335

>>5031754
>mindnumbing chrisfag fanfiction
>entertaining
sure is /v/ in here

>> No.5032351

>>5028860
I like the first novell.

>> No.5032355

>>5032321
I never even realised there were naked women in those eyes.