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If you could be part of any artist movement or generation, what would it be?

>> No.5009093

>>5009089
That picture is fucking fantastic

>> No.5009102

>>5009089
Probably the Transcendentalists. They all just seem so... content

>> No.5009114
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5009114

>>5009089

This generation, and a new one.

Yearning for something you literally can't ever have is like being sad that you don't have three penises: It's silly and kind of juvenile.

Being part of a new artistic movement would be best; newcomers make buku bucks, can honestly state that they're original, and make a name for themselves. I suppose wanting to experience that in another era is grand, but that just falls back into the previous point.

>> No.5009121

>>5009114

>Yearning for something you literally can't ever have is like being sad that you don't have three penises: It's silly and kind of juvenile.

Why do you seem to think it impossible that a yearning to have taken part in a past generation prevents you from using that as motivation to learn more about said generation, thereby increasing your body of knowledge and bettering yourself as a human being?

>> No.5009126

>>5009114
Yeah, I'd prefer to be part of a new artistic movement in the modern age. Too bad it will never happen ;-;

>> No.5009136

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_TOHtOTX5g

>> No.5009142
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>>5009121
>Using motivation to learn more about said generation, thereby increasing your body of knowledge and bettering yourself as a human being?

You're going to need to defend this point: I don't believe knowledge inherently makes people any better.

Many of history's most heinous figures were intellectuals, who surely were capable of understanding the past but used their knowledge in a way which net damaged society.

>> No.5009147

The Ashton-Smith/Lovecraft/Howard Weird Tales Clique.

>> No.5009155

>>5009142

I fail to see how knowledge of the Beatniks could be used to cause human suffering.

The despicable intellectuals you speak of were intellectuals of the social nature, eloquent speakers with the ability to persuade.

The knowledge I speak of is of a very pure historic form, the knowledge of past achievements and mistakes that can be put to use improving how we go about our own lives. Learning not to put our hands in fire because we know of ancients who burned their hands and all that jazz, eh?

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5009161

I would go in a heartbeat

>> No.5009181

>>5009121

Interesting idea, but I don't think that's generally the case. I mean, theoretically, reminiscence would be a good form of contemplation, but in practice, all I've seen come about from it is LE WRONG GENERATION, corporate exploitation of nostalgia, and hand wringing.

I'd argue the yearning for something literally unattainable and the learning because of it are effectively divorced. A desire to learn, not the yearning, is what's ultimately useful and betters the person.

>> No.5009191

early 19th century bohemianism in France

1960s counterculture movement

post-internet age

>> No.5009197

>>5009181

Yes, the majority of humanity requires something besides the knowledge of self-betterment in order to actually conduct self-betterment.

As long as the desire to learn is still there, why draw a line against that which motivated the desire in the first place?

Just because some people misuse their motivations for effort-wasting ends doesn't mean you should automatically judge all those who share that same motivation.

If even one kid get's the desire to learn from a yearning of years past, I think it's worth it to allow the act of yearning to continue.

>> No.5009201

>>5009191
>1960s counterculture movement
lol hippie nerd

>> No.5009203

>>5009089
The Lost Generation...
I'm a fool for disillusionment and lack of morality due to an existential viewpoint of the world caused by the mas slaughtering of young men in the name of a rich man's agenda

>> No.5009212

>>5009191
Y'know I love 60's culture but I'm not sure if I'd want to have lived at the time.

>> No.5009214

>>5009201
i wouldnt even have been a hippie i just find that decade so fascinating

i remember reading a band who played at some decently sized town in the middle of nowhere in 1966, and the audience all wore nice respectable suits and had combed hair and sat down and listened to the music

they went back the next year and everyone had long messy hair, baggy weird looking clothes and they were all out of their mind on lsd

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>>5009126
>We will never escape all the trappings of post-modernism or follow-up movements in our life time.

>> No.5009232

The one with fully immersive VR.

>> No.5009281
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5009281

School of Athens must of been a chill place

>> No.5009318

>>5009281
Except with Aristotle ruining advancement and hindering society with his autism

>> No.5009323

>>5009318

The fact he hypothesized both the existence and size of Antarctica (correctly I might add) makes me think you're being autistic right now anon.

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5009330

>>5009318

Oh, yeah, I remember how Aristotle became an omnipotent tyrant for the next thousands years and force western society to agree with his precepts.

>> No.5009348

>>5009323
he thought the earth was flat
numbdick

>> No.5009351

>>5009348

Yup, he's the only man to have ever thought that and he's the sole reason anyone ever thought that afterwords, yes sir-eee

>> No.5009361

>>5009089
early 1900's russia, chill with pasternak, scriabin, rachmaninoff, akhmatova, yesenin, mayakovsky

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5009367

Oh, to have been an Virginian during the late 18th century

>> No.5009378

>>5009114
If you don't like fantasising, writing is not for you.

>> No.5009382

>>5009378
>implying

>> No.5009386

>>5009382
>implying I'm wrong

this isn't even debatable

>> No.5009389

>>5009386

A emphasis on fantasizing is a terrible thing for a non-fiction writer to have.

>> No.5009390

>>5009367
>not specifying wealthy Virginian

You would need to be pretty damn rich to be included in the Virginia literary world. But other than that I agree with you.

>> No.5009398

>>5009389
Not necessarily, even though I originally meant fiction.

>> No.5009402

If everything ever goes wrong for me, I'm moving to Slab City

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vVCSUafFVI

>> No.5009408

>>5009351
Pretty much
it was already calculated in his time
he saw the proof
and said
"can i see the earth being round? look? is it curved? no? then it must be flat"

no respect

>> No.5009411

>>5009378
Fantasizing to me implies escapism. It's not just "imagining". With that in mind, I don't see how liking fantasizing is necessary for being a writer.

>> No.5009414

>>5009408

Have you even read "Physics"?

>> No.5009431

>>5009411

There's a difference between a quality being a necessity and it being a simple luxury that adds to your ability.

Imagination is the latter.

>> No.5009440

>>5009414
Have you even realized Aristotle is a hack?

>> No.5009445

>>5009431
Okay.

But explain to me how fantasizing is necessary for being a writer.

>> No.5009452

>>5009445

I just said it was a luxury, a bonus, something that greatly aids but is by no means NECESSARY

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5009457

>>5009161
Only correct answer besides pic related


Plebs who disagree can suck my big, steaming spectacular cock

>> No.5009458

>>5009452
Sorry, I thought you were >>5009378. I definitely agree with you.

>> No.5009939

>>5009161
>>5009457
these cunts know whats up
i would go lettrist as well really

>> No.5009948

>>5009367
>not wanting to be a Bostonian in the thick of it

>> No.5009983

>>5009939
Haven't read enough about the lettrist international yet, would love some recs

>> No.5011058

>>5009089
Impressionism

>you will never spend your life painting haystacks in the countryside of the late 1800's France while living the simple, modest life of an unknown artist

Just kill me now.

>> No.5011109

1940-50, Turkey, where you can promote your ideas through your work, fight through paper with opposing (see: all) writers, in a country where the people are hungry for every literary work.

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5011481

Now. This post-ironic internet playground is fantastic, u dumbs.

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5012416

I'd stay exactly where I am. We're in the middle of the beginning of the next social revolution.

>> No.5012426

When I think of growing up in a different age, I think of this quote from Fight Club: "Man, I see in Fight Club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see it squandered. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables – slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off." This age is empty.

>> No.5012554

>>5009089
The final one.

>> No.5012567

None. They all failed to stop what we're living through now.

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5012635

>>5012426

Is this post ironic or are you really this teenage?

I can't even tell.

>> No.5012672

>>5012426
Everyone thinks reality is either fight club or the matrix, but I think it's terminator.

>> No.5012696

>>5012426
>man

What the fuck is the need for the injection of this 'ironic' casual phrase into a dialogue with an otherwise serious tone? Is it to serve as a deflector of criticism or a cloaking of ambiguity? "Hey man it's just a thought I had, I'm no philosopher, I don't think all day about this, you can take serious if you want I guess."

>> No.5012702 [DELETED] 

Abstract Expressionism

>> No.5012706

>>5012696
it's to signify the following speech is addressed to males, instead of "ladies and gentlemen" it begins "man", you would think a literature person would be able to get this...but you sound like one of those people who try to appear smart by being uptight, but that is just cargo cult intellectualism, sorry.

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5012707

Abstract Expressionism

>> No.5012713

>>5012706
I was referencing

"We're the middle children of history, man."

>> No.5012729

'60s counterculture

though really right now is pretty great

>> No.5013167

whichever one got me laid

>> No.5013221

>>5009089
dada

>> No.5013742

>>5012713

Maybe because that's the way people of his nature actually speak, yeah?

>> No.5013751

>>5012416
no we're not stop pretending your life has significance

>> No.5013754

90s counterculture

Either a grunge or goth musician

>> No.5013757

>>5013751

Jesus, your fucking grammar...

>> No.5013759

>>5013754

>underage

Why are you on 4chan?

>> No.5013760

>>5013742
No, it feels forced as fuck.

>> No.5013766

>>5013757
>complaining about grammar
>implying grammar = punctuation and capitalization

>>>/r/lgbt

>> No.5013770

>>5013760

Heh, could'a fool'd me, ya know?

I was just thinkin' that maybe not every guy speaks the same, yeah?

>> No.5013771

>>5013766

>implying "no we're not stop pretending your life has significance" has consistent tense usage

Mc-Fucking-Kill-Yourself

>> No.5013772

>>5013770
See, you're just proving my point.

>> No.5013775

>>5013771
"No, we're not. Stop pretending your life has significance."

nice going retard but you're still complaining about grammar on the fucking internet

>> No.5013776

>>5013772

That not all fellas speak the same, yeah?

>> No.5013810

>>5013776
No, that trying to represent speech tics in writing is really obnoxious.

>> No.5013817

>>5013810
it was already explained that starting with "man" served a purpose, this text is addressed to men, is this that hard to understand

>> No.5013822

>>5012672
r u saraghkhanner?

>> No.5013825

>>5013817
Dude, people don't say "man" in the middle of speech because they're talking to men. In fact a lot of people speak like this to women. It's a mannerism. It has no actual significance except characterization.

>> No.5013876

>>5013810

Would you rather the low-bred farmer talked in the exact same way as the King of France?

>> No.5014210

>>5013876
Yes, if the only alternative is the obnoxious phonetic spellings of local dialects.

You should develop characterization through something besides the fact that the man leaves the g off of -ing's.

>> No.5014220

The...the...the Beat Generation. Not because of The Beats themselves but because of the immediate access to many of the greatest Jazz artists of the twentieth century, the folk and counter culture scene of the 60s and contact with the avant garde movements of New York, not because of any lurings of the actual Beats.

>> No.5014224

>>5009089
Hanging out with Rabelais or Villon would be my choice.

>> No.5014231

>>5014220
yeah man

>> No.5014241

>>5014231
I know how it sounds, but are there any other movements of the twentieth century in such a proximity to the other movements of the twentieth century other than being reacted against or made a fool by future advancements?

>> No.5015694

bump

>> No.5015713

19th century Russian nobility. Attend balls, gossip about other families, have a qt arranged wife, scour old battlefield sites with Tolstoy.

>> No.5015892

>>5015713

Do you turn during the Revolution or just try and get away?

>> No.5018766

Vienna secession