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"it's pronounced damp-hair, because he's wet!"

See, I've never been able to get over this part of George R. R. Martin. His naming is so transparent. Imagine if every god damn nigress you every saw named "Destiny" actually was the world's last hope or some shit. It's dumb. It's like your last name was "faggot" and you were gay. Good job parents, great on the fly assessment of your child's future long term development. It's fucken stupid.

Not to say he's a bad writer. I just think Tolkien was so much better at constructing a world.

>> No.5001253

That's typically how European figures were titled though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_III_Spindleshanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mieszko_IV_Tanglefoot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_I_the_Elbow-high

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_of_European_royalty_and_nobility

>> No.5001257

It's not so strange one you realize how many English surnames came from jobs and occupations. Smith, Stewart, Baker, Fisher, Mason, Miller, Tailor, and I could go on and on. Given how much GOT is influenced by English history I think it's safe to assume he is doing it on purpose.

>> No.5001264

>>5001253
>>5001257
It's not just names though. The water city is called valantis. The wildlings are called wildlings. The wildlings even call themselves wildlings. The unsullied. The winter city is called winterfel. Kingslanding.

>> No.5001266

>>5001264
And Oxford is called that because it was a place where oxen forded across the river. Your point?

>> No.5001274

>>5001264
>The water city is called valantis

Volantis. It's not a "water city," it's a costal city. Volant means to fly, it's not related to Atlantis.

>The wildlings even call themselves wildlings

No they don't, they call themselves the Free Folk. Wildlings is an insult.

>The unsullied

Is an apt description for a castrated military unit.

>Kingslanding.

Constantinople. St. Petersburg. Stalingrad. Vatican City.

>> No.5001278

>>5001264

I think they typically call themselves Free Folk but wildlings is just a simple name for many the different tribes. It's like how we refer to all American Indians as natives instead of their individual tribe names. They'll even call themselves Indians depending on context.

>> No.5001299

>>5001266
And in the brothers karamazov they live in a place literally translated as "cattletown". In either case, economic functions are used to describe cities, not super generic shit. There's no coldtown or beach city

>> No.5001315

>>5001299

I happen to live near a beach city in Ohio.

>> No.5001320

>>5001242
Can you point out other instances of this?
I'm drawing a blank, not super familiar with the source material.

>> No.5001329

>>5001315
So maye that was a bad example, because that still counters my own rule. Beaches are economical. "Winter city" is stupid; any city named after its primary function is not

Also >2014 >living in the Midwest >top kek faggot

>> No.5001333

>>5001299
>>5001329

I was just going through a list of towns in Ohio. Here's some that jump out to me:

Beachwood
Blue Ash
Beavercreek
Deer Park
Defiance
Eastlake
Forest Park
Independence
Oakwood
Rocky River
Riverside

Those seem like some names that came straight out of the books, but they're real.

>> No.5001338

>>5001333
No shit? You haven't proved that GRRM's naming convention isn't autistic

>> No.5001342

You sound butthurt and autistic. Martin names things perfectly fine and analogous to real-life naming. Tolkien does the same except they're all in angel language or dark language or elf language.

>> No.5001344

>>5001329
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterberg

>> No.5001351

>>5001342
>you sound butthurt and autistic

Might want 2 check a mirror mate

>> No.5001353

>>5001338

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just saying there's a real world precedent for naming people and places the way he does.

Defiance and Independence is an action or event similar to Kings Landing and names that describe the place and environment like Rocky River is really similar to Riverrun or Winterfell.

>> No.5001354

>>5001342
OP here. I actually kind of agree, it's weird I didn't really notice it. But the world map still looks like a aidsy tetronimo

>> No.5001372

>>5001344
Dude you're missing the point altogether. The point is that fantasy writers do it too much, so much so that it stands out and looks fucking retarded in the work. "Oh, winterberg in a fantasy novel, gee I bet it's always winter there." Yup. Shit like that happens in real life but often the meaning is distorted and lost through centuries of history that isn't present in fantasy. Look at the English language; it's had how many major evolutions? So much so that we have to study the same language that we speak academically so we can read works 400 years old? Fantasy sucks shit because human history is so vastly complex and the worlds they try to create always horribly fail to live up to what they should be

The naming is just one obviously stilted expression. If you really like GRRM, then you're plebe as fuck and have obviously never been into studying mythology or history

>> No.5001375

>>5001353
The point is that all of GRRMs names are cheesy shit

>> No.5001382

>>5001274
OP getting blown the fuck out

>> No.5001383

>>5001372

I hate to say this since it screams shitposting but holy fuck that autism.

>> No.5002001

>>5001383
hes right though

id like to add that tolkien is an exception to this rule and also the only worthwhile fantasy author, mostly because of his idiosyncratic way of writing (he didn't try to do worldbuilding which is bound to fail, he was writing a fictional historical record & mythography)

>> No.5002082

>>5001242
>Dampair was the title of the sea priests
>OP can't into logic

>> No.5002094

Only thing I am getting rustled is the thing that he cant make books faster.

>> No.5002143

I'm pretty sure this thread is bait.

If not, OP has proven himself the autist of autists.

>> No.5002310

Why does everyone on /lit/ have such a hard on for Martin? If he's such a bad writer why so many threads about his works?

Did you guys go apeshit when the Twilight books got popular as well?

>> No.5002402

>>5002310
It's a tricky relationship. /lit/ and Martin got along just great, then Martin got show rights, Game of Thrones, mainstream popularity and all, so /lit/s love turned into hatred.

>> No.5002420

>>5001242
>nigress
>>>/pol/

>> No.5002423

>>5002420
>>>/WeenieHutJr.'s/

>> No.5002462

>>5001242
pro-tip: most real names are obvious and plebeian because they are created by plebs without fantasy.

>> No.5002468
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5002468

>it's not Jeffrey, it's Joffrey
>it's not Edward, it's Eddard
>it's not Margaret, it's Margaery
>it's not sir, it's ser
>basically feudal europe with a few naming gimmicks
>wolves are wolves, pigs are pigs and the only difference from Earth's flora and fauna is a few exotic poisonous plants despite decade long winters and radically different geography
Colour me unimpressed

>> No.5002494

>>5002468
It's a generic world, but the scheming is good I think.

>> No.5002565

>>5002468

It's supposed to be medieval England, their names are like ours but a little different.

>> No.5002590

>>5002468
I was actually making a fantasy world myself. One that will never see the light of day, but at least I get the thoughts out of my head.

Anyway, I, for example, am designing every plant and animal from scratch, but not without consulting biological reference material.

Same for names and titles. I think it's cool if it resembles real life.

>> No.5002600

>>5002468
>ser
>not even pronounced "sair"
I mean what's the point?
And god, I have had it up to here with "Eddard" and "Peeta".
At least use real variations!
Jesus Christ.

>> No.5002608

>>5002468
>These are my sons:
Tommen, Dyek, and Herry

>> No.5002642

>>5002608
>Dyek

Is it pronounced "Dyke"?

>> No.5002926

>>5001242
There's a town near me called 'ashland'
You know why?
They have ash trees
Your complaint is non-existent, as it applies in the real world more often than you think. Just google 'etymological city names'
Washington is 'the land of farm marshes'
Guess what? It has fucking marshes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Place_name_origins
If anything his attention to detail in names gives him a bonus point as a writer

>> No.5003536

>>5002642
No, "dee-eck"