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Minimalism or maximalism /lit/

>> No.4996300
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>>4996288
clutter is for fagets

>> No.4996305

>>4996288
Maximals.
MAXIMIZE

>> No.4996306

Neither.

>> No.4996308

>>4996306
Answer the question man

>> No.4996311

>>4996300
That room is fucking gorgeous.

>> No.4996334

Minimalism in design & engineering
Maximalism in art & entertainment

>> No.4996335

>>4996305
Predicons!
Yesssssss....

>> No.4996337

>>4996308
I did.

>> No.4996347
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>>4996335
BEAST WARSSSSS

>> No.4996379

>>4996334
>entertainment
pleb

>> No.4996411

>>4996288

Strictly in terms of/lit/erature:
Two of my favorites are Borges and Wallace, so my answer to the 'minimalism or maximalism' question is Yes of course.

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4996447

>you will never live in simple elegance in a room like this

>> No.4996468

>>4996300
Big Bird, is that you?

>> No.4998259

Maximalism.

Minimalism, while sexy for like 5 seconds to look at, is ultimately shallow and boring.

For example, houses...yes a minimalist design looks cool and uncluttered. But after 2 days of sitting in there with you fucking egg >4996300 you would actually want to do something...

Where is the library full of books?
Where is the gaming pc setup?
Where is the gun rack?
Where are the sculptures and paintings to look at and to spend free time finding all the little cool details?
Where is the life?

A minimalist design is anti-life.

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>>4998259

Alright. I'm calling bait. This post is too much summerkid abortion for it to be legitimate.

On the off-chance that you're not joking you should go back to your gaming pc and leave the ethical concerns of aesthetics to others.

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>All these minimalist pussies.

Fucking dilettantes. You only pretend to live simply. What's the point in owning substantial property at all if its sole function is to put a roof over your head or serve as an address on some form?

>>4996300 Is this not a great waste of space? Assuming, of course, this is the bedroom and not the entire structure. And if this is minimalist, what is the purpose of the stone egg? It serves no function. That garden is a great waste, too: instead of being designed for cultivating produce, it's better have a collection of hot stones to stand on? Ridiculous. These people barely know what minimalism is. Everything must have its function; only the necessary elements need be present.

You want real minimalism? Go out one day and don't stop.

>> No.4998346

>>4998318

>You want real minimalism? Go out one day and don't stop.

Something that you've never done because you're one of these smarmy little punchable-faced saps who talks big game but is just a fucking wanker.

I'm betting your smug suburban ass ranks at "Emile Hirsch in Into the Wild" levels on the punchability meter. Fucking try hard.

>> No.4998378

>>4998346
Did I say I did it? Did I at all place myself above anyone? In fact, did I ever actually say I wanted to live the minimalist lifestyle at all? It's the mode of life I most respect. A poor man can respect and strive toward a wealthy life, without any guarantee he'll live it. I'm a punchable-faced, smug suburban sap: I respect the simple life in much the same way. Emile Hirsch went out on a glorified camping trip; Thoreau, though he lived by an exemplary economy, was flawed in that he relied on far too many people in his life; Christopher McCandless had the right idea, but was idiot enough not to plan a damn thing. It's a very difficult thing to pull off with great effect. My point was that minimalism has come to contradict itself in so many ways that it's practically useless. Now calm down.

>> No.4998388

>>4998378

>Did I say I did it?

PROTIP: That's the part that makes you a poser.

>Did I at all place myself above anyone?

Are you for real, kid?

>Fucking dilettantes. You only pretend
>You want real minimalism? Go out and do something that I myself have never done.

Emilie pls stop it was just a film you don't need to keep acting like this still.

>> No.4998411

I think DFW's essay called "something something conspicuously young" is pretty neat on this subject, and highlights why Tao Lin's work is, despite the occasional flourish or insight, pretty weak overall.

I appreciate maximalism, though to the extent that you can trust the writer has a point and isn't simply jerking off

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>>4998314
>ethical concerns of aesthetics to others.

>> No.4998427

>>4998388
Oh, I see: you can't read. I'm a poser, who uses up damn near every inch of floor space in this place, and yet the minimalists who barely use any of it aren't? If you're going to do something, and if you want to make it worthwhile, why waste your time buying a sizable house just to put nothing in it? It's a waste of space, is what it is. You're asking if I'm for real? I place anyone who goes out to live simply far above myself, friend, whether they screwed parts of it up or not. If you're going to do something, don't fuck around with it: do it right. No, you're right, I don't live the minimalist lifestyle, can't say I want to: but I can respect those who do. You can respect the soldiers without joining the army. We're angry at the same people, but you're too far up your own ass to see.

>> No.4998454

>>4996288
Minimalism is its own form of maximalism. Their definitions are opposed but their meaning is not.

>> No.4998459

>>4998454

Well this makes no fucking sense.

>> No.4998468

>>4998427

Emile pls. Calm yourself. Sean Penn isn't going to beat you if you let your guard down and start to act like a real boy again. Promise.

>> No.4998471

>>4998459
meaning is for plebs

>> No.4998473

>>4998468
Oh, come on. At least your previous shitposting was fun.

>> No.4998621

>>4998411
>"something something conspicuously young"
Fictional Futures and the Conspicuously Young

>> No.4998628

>>4996379
Arm flailing screaming autistic idiot savant.

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>>4996447
Why not?

>> No.4998654

>>4998643
>two lamps
>shelves
>pots
>basket of oranges
>rug

Disgusting hedonist

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>>4998654

>> No.4998771

>>4998654
Can't have that rug tying the room together, now can we.

>> No.4998784

>>4998643
so many scraped and bruised shins from that bed.

>> No.4998797

>>4998784
Those are a reminder that
a. you had a good time, or
b. you're stupid

>> No.4998800

>>4998318
You realise there's a difference between a minimalist aesthetic and asceticism/frugality right? There's no need to get upset.

>> No.4998812

>>4998666
would quote wittgenstein in

>> No.4998813

A constant oscillation between the two would be optimal. Ruling something out as an option means seriously selling yourself short.

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>> No.4998817

>>4998471

Well then good thing for you, because this means nothing.

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>>4998817
You know nothing?

>> No.4998953

>>4998800
http://theminimalistpath.com/2010/03/minimalism-not/

See point number 3.

>> No.4999006

>>4998953
Minimalism is first and foremost an aesthetic and an artistic sensibility, the whole simple living blogger scene that kidnapped the phrase came later.

>> No.4999010

Minimalism (when done well) is allright because it doesn't really bother anyone. It's safe, pleasant to look at.
But that's it.
The lack of detail and entropy gets boring after a while. You could say that you can find these even in the most minimalist of designs if you stare at them long enough, but in a more chaotic design, these details are much easier to spot and probably even make long term living more comfortable. (we are talking about interior design right?)
That's all just my opinion, anyway.

>> No.4999051

>>4998318
This guy got it right.
What's the point in having a 20m2 room with a 4m2 bed, a 2m2 table and two chairs? That's the opposite of minimalism.
In minimalism you make as much as possible function with as little as possible.

That doesn't mean increasing the amount of crap, but it means having a smaller room, reducing the amount of bed if you sleep alone (yes you, /lit/).
This does not mean making the door smaller, because if you can't quickly fit through the door then it doesn't work well.

>> No.4999076

>>4996288
Minimalism.

There's no end to the amount of shit you can acquire. Minimalism applies to everything, including knowledge. So you need to stop reading to be a minimalist as acquiring more and more knowledge is against the minimalist philopsophy. I've stopped reading but I still browse /lit/ for fun anyway. You'll be happier OP.

>> No.4999113

>>4999076
So are you Diogenes mode yet?

>> No.4999119

Since this is a fucking Literature board, I will defend minimalism in literature, which never even gets discussed here.

Robison, Carver, and Beattie are some of the greatest short story writers in the "contemporary" scene. their minimalism should be greatly, greatly respected by any serious student of literature. maximalism, what even is that? Pynchon?
that is much harder and more inglorious to DO WELL.

>> No.4999144

>>4999119

my man

>> No.4999176

>>4996300
>have room like that
>own a MBP and iPhone 5S

am i minimalistic yet guys?

>> No.4999186

>>4999176
show pics then

>> No.4999190

>>4999051
>What's the point in having a 20m2 room with a 4m2 bed, a 2m2 table and two chairs? That's the opposite of minimalism.
>In minimalism you make as much as possible function with as little as possible.
Why are you assuming people are antisocial shut-ins?

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>>4999119
Which do you mean is harder to do well? It seems to me like both are extremely difficult to do well compared to conventional ('middimalist'?) writing.

>> No.4999198

>>4999113
>Diogenes mode
What is that?

>> No.4999210

>>4999198
live in a barrel where you shit and piss and eat from and drink in and bathe in and move in

>> No.4999214

>>4999210
I neither do that or condone that.

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>>4999198
>not knowing who diogenes is

>> No.4999229

>implying 'minimalism' was ever anything other than a poor disguise for lack of talent

upper strata of kek

>> No.4999253

>>4999215
2edgy4me

>> No.4999436

>>4999215
>>4999253
but look at all the attention he's getting from those qts

>> No.4999444

>>5000000
A way a lone a last a loved a long the

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>>4999444

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>>4999436
>Diogenes stood outside a brothel, shouting, "A beautiful whore is like poisoned honey! A beautiful whore is like poisoned honey! A beautiful whore . . . ". Men entering the house threw him a coin or two to shut him up. Eventually Diogenes had collected enough money and he too went into the brothel.


> For example, it was said Demosthenes was willing to pay 1,000 Greek drachmas for a night with her, but she raised her price to 10,000 drachmas after viewing him,[1] while she gave herself to Diogenes for nothing.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lais_of_Hyccara

>> No.4999748

>>4999513
its not gonna happen though

>> No.4999797

>>5000000
Get

>> No.4999810

>>4998259
>Where are the sculptures and paintings to look at and to spend free time finding all the little cool details?

You think people actually do this

>> No.4999999

>>4999444
riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.

>> No.5000008

>>4999444
>>4999999
this is fucking heartbreaking

>> No.5000014

>>5000008
I shouldn't have been so ambitious

>> No.5001418

>>4998471
Then the original statement was for plebs. Here's how the argument should of gone:

Minimalism attempts to maximize removal.

Maximalism attempts to maximize addition.

Now the deepity is revealed.

>> No.5001432

>>4998816
10/10 would sell at exorbitant prices in designer magazine

>> No.5001459

>>4999006
No it is not. It has long been used in sciences, logic and maths.

It allows you to focus on what's most important to you. Maximalism as an end product is permissible, but an artist or scholar who lives it will never reach their true potential. Our capacity is finite. We should use it wisely.

>> No.5001475

>>4996300
Nice egg bro.

>> No.5001497

NEITHER "MINIMALISM", NOR "MAXIMALISM", BUT "ESSENTIALISM".

>> No.5001506

>>4996288

>or

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>>4999585
>she raised her price to 10,000 drachmas after viewing him

Friendzoned again ;_;

>> No.5001594

>>5001497
rtjt

>> No.5001604

>>4999176
>Pro
>Not air
ha faggot

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5001621

Minimalism in things I do not enjoy.

Maximalism in the things I do enjoy.

>> No.5001639

>>5001621
/thread

>> No.5002855

>>4998654
Minimalism is hedonistic as well.

>> No.5003886

>>5001621

mein nigger

>> No.5003971

Louis XV furniture, as much as possible.

>> No.5004697

>>4996334
this