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[Anonymous No.4991028]

What would you do in all three situations /lit/?

[Anonymous No.4991031]

>>4991028
1. A
2. The fat guy
3. Slow extinction

[Anonymous No.4991032]

>>4991028
Turn 720 degrees and walk away

[Anonymous No.4991034]

1, i would not pull the lever because its not my decision to make

2, this one doesn´t make any sense to me

3, This is just plain stupid

[« 零 » !Ry9.FWKNDY No.4991035]

PHILOSOPHY IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THESE HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS.

[Anonymous No.4991037]

>>4991028
/f/ pls go

[Anonymous No.4991039]

1. Nothing
2. Nothing
3. Fast (as in instant)

[Anonymous No.4991040]

>>4991035
Kill yourself, you autistic faggot. Why hasn't the Mexican drug cartels kidnapped and slaughtered you yet?

[Anonymous No.4991043]

>>4991034
The second one is from Judith Jarvis Thomson, you can push the fat guy down and those five people will live.

[Anonymous No.4991051]

>>4991032
Do you know why it's called the Xbox 360?

When you see it, you turn 360 degrees and walk away.

[Anonymous No.4991057]

>>4991043

But the fat guy wouldn´t stop the wagon, that´s why i said it doesn´t make sense.

[Anonymous No.4991063]

>>4991057
But it's one less fat guy

[Anonymous No.4991067]

>>4991057

Also, i don´t think i would be able to lift the fat fuck over the handrail even if i wanted to kill him.

[Anonymous No.4991068]

First- flip a coin

[Anonymous No.4991073]

I would ask Sam Harris, because he as a neuroscientist knows more about ethics than any philosopher.

[Anonymous No.4991075]

>>4991057
OP here, sorry if I didn't make the details clear enough. In No. 2 the trolley is electric-powered, and the fat guy has an EMP surgically planted inside his chest, programmed to detonate the second the fat guy's heart stops.

[Anonymous No.4991077]

>>4991067
Yeah might hurt my back

[Anonymous No.4991085]

>>4991028

First one: The man next to the lever - not pulling the lever is as much an action as pulling the lever.

The hypothetical situation is unrealistic though, seeing as somebody applied intent in tying these men onto the track (why tie a man to a track which the train wouldn't be going on in that moment?) there is maybe more to the story than what is right there presented in front of us. Unless of course this is some Joker sort of experiment in which case the intent or leverage is put on the man next to the lever, and the people tied to the track can be presumed to have done nothing wrong or have their story considered by the lever man. In such a case, we'd have to look at the law which might say whether a man can be prosecuted for inaction - for watching a murder take place. Answer is no you cannot be prosecuted for inaction. In terms of if he pulls the lever, his action in the case of cause and effect, caused a man to lose his life who otherwise wouldn't have lost his life. The lever puller is somewhat responsible for the loss of the life of that man and would be prosecuted for manslaughter. One could argue that if he didn't pull the lever, through inaction, that he killed 5 people but who's to say the for sure the lever would have worked in that moment, who's to say whether the train wouldn't have tipped over killing all of them?

Now scenario 2 - pushing the fat man onto the track wouldn't necessarily stop the train from killing all of them so there's that. Pushing him would have you done for murder.

scenario 3 I wouldn't push the button. genocide or species culling seems a bit over the top.

[Anonymous No.4991091]

>>4991075
You're not op, and that would kill all of them.

[Anonymous No.4991100]

>>4991085

You forgot to mention that if you happened to be in that situation; chances are that the person who elaborated the scenario, took a bunch of child rapists and stacked them together, and the one guy might be completely innocent, and potentially great value to society.

[Anonymous No.4991113]

>>4991100

You'd never know would you? Thus logicus falsius fallatio

[Anonymous No.4991115]

>>4991028
1. B
2. them
3. leave the remote alone

[Anonymous No.4991126]

>>4991100

I made way too many commas in that post.

[Anonymous No.4991160]

>>4991039
my niggha

[Anonymous No.4991238]

>>4991028
1) pull it
2) jump off myself instead of pushing someone else
3) not push it?

[AnelCrest !m9jxTLhLcw No.4991259]

>>4991051
*and moonwalk away

[Anonymous No.4991272]

>>4991238
Very good, citizen. Please be sure to vote for the left during the next election and do your part in furthering mankind!

[Anonymous No.4991350]

>>4991272

[Anonymous No.4991377]

1. Jump in front of the train
2. Jump in front of the train
3. Jump in front of the train

[Anonymous No.4991383]

>>4991028
B
Throw fat infidel off after train passes
fast

Allah Akbar

[Anonymous No.4991406]

What would you do in this situation?

[Anonymous No.4991416]

>derail train, double tracking drifting for maximum points
>wait for the people to get ran over then push the fat guy off
>throw the switch into a kindergarten playground

[Anonymous No.4991419]

>>4991406
Fuck, I'm adding that to my list for comical purposes.

[Anonymous No.4991425]

>>4991416
>Not actually making it publicly known that you have a switch that can kill all of humanity with one push and then showing them that you're not fucking kidding by switching it to slow so suddenly the numbers of deaths rise abnormally and you'll become god of this planet.

Should've taken that in consideration Anon.

[Anonymous No.4992122]

>>4991051
No you fucking idiot 360 degrees is a full circle. You'd just be facing the xbox again.

[Anonymous No.4992136]

>>4991028
B
Them
Slow

[Anonymous No.4992161]

>>4991425
Light pls.

[Anonymous No.4992176]

>>4991028
1. Throw dice with probability of 1/6 probability for B and 5/6 probability for A
2. Do nothing
3. Slow...?

[Anonymous No.4992182]

>>4992176
>Throw dice with probability of 1/6 probability for B and 5/6 probability for A

For what purpose?

[Anonymous No.4992203]

My professor actually spoke about this in some Political Science class.

I would do absolutely nothing.
Let destiny guide them.

[Anonymous No.4992292]

[Anonymous No.4992438]

>>4992292
A

[Anonymous No.4992456]

>>4991039
This.

[Anonymous No.4992482]

I don't see the point of just giving your answer without any further arguments, unless OP is making a poll.

FYI, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

extract:
"A 2009 survey published in a 2013 paper by David Bourget and David Chalmers shows that 68% of professional philosophers would switch (sacrifice the one individual to save five lives) in the case of the trolley problem, 8% would not switch, and the remaining 24% had another view or could not answer"

[Anonymous No.4992495]

>>4992456

[Anonymous No.4992692]

>>4991113
>Thus logicus falsius fallatio
maximum over-kek

[Anonymous No.4992694]

I would get a good lawyer for the fallout

[Anonymous No.4992762]

>>4992292
For the first two, these are the correct answers.

1. Multi-track drifiting
2. Push the fat man past the five people

"It is better to let a thousand men die than to save the life of one," and all that.

On #3, it depends. I'd like to set it for slow, so I could watch things happen and to give people a chance to wrap things up and leave whatever testament they want to the Universe. However, without an actual frame of reference for what Fast and Slow mean, the decision can't be made.
Technically, mankind is already going extinct slowly, in the same sense that all living things are slowly dying.

With no frame of reference, I'd set it for fast. I wouldn't want to be cheated. You know how these fucking genies are.

[Anonymous No.4992767]

1. A
2. Let the people on the tracks die because I wouldn't be able to throw him over and there are no guarantees that he could stop the train.
3. Fast

[Anonymous No.4992783]

>>4992762
>"It is better to let a thousand men die than to save the life of one,"

[Anonymous No.4992838]

>>4991028
>A
>I don't know how this one works, i don't think pushing him off will stop the train, but if you say so, I'll go with the big guy
>I would not even push it at all

[Anonymous No.4992843]

>>4991350
>>4991272
Dont you get tired of doing the same joke everyday

[Anonymous No.4992884]

>>4992783
I just looked it up, and the exact line is "It would be better that twenty million should die than one be saved."

The sentiment is the same, and it is what bothers me in these scenarios.

[Anonymous No.4992896]

>>4991028
1. A
2. Do nothing, I guess. Couldn't save the people on the tracks and the guy on the bridge wants to die anyway. Or maybe save him, I don't know
3. Slow. That's already what's happening.

[Anonymous No.4993091]

>>4992122

>being this new

[Anonymous No.4993112]

>>4993091

You fell for the b8, m8

[Anonymous No.4993118]

>>4993112

You fell for the b8 of b8 of b8, m8.

>Hurr durr we're all trolling funny memes hahahaha

[Anonymous No.4993127]

>>4993118
To be fair you did just try to criticize someone for not getting an old meme. So.

[Anonymous No.4993136]

1.) deliver a judo kick to the train, knocking it off the rails

2.) deliver a judo kick to the bridge, causing it to collapse and stop the train.

3.) I don't press the button

[Anonymous No.4993139]

pull the lever halfway and derail the train

[Anonymous No.4993149]

>>4991073
lol. implying neuroscience has anything to do with ethics.

[Anonymous No.4993667]

>>4993136
this

[Anonymous No.4993676]

What's up with the last one? Do I have to press the button? If I do then what are the approximate time scales of 'fast' and 'slow'? Instantaneous? 100 years? 1000? 10,000? 100,000,000?

>2 vague 4me

[Anonymous No.4993750]

>>4993149

Implying you´re not trying to b8 me, i´ll give you a 7.5/10 because i almost responded with a refuting argument.

[Anonymous No.4994106]

>>4991028
1. b
2. him myself and them
3. fast , push.

[Anonymous No.4995463]

>>4992884
am i readin you wrong or are you actually saying
everyone else should die so i don't have to help that one dude
anon why

[Anonymous No.4995472]

>>4995463
antinatalism is the best worldview.

[Anonymous No.4995505]