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497743 No.497743 [Reply] [Original]

ITT: Books that try really hard to force the author's ideologies on the reader.

I'm pretty sure we all know Ayn Rand so let's have a bit of originality if we can manage it.

>> No.497746
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497746

>> No.497751

>>497746
Perhaps I was a bit too general, obviously any religious or political book will attempt to convert you, I'm looking more for fiction that the author uses as a distraction while inundating you with propaganda.

>> No.497760

Clancy? Crichton?

>> No.497763

ISHMAEL

>> No.497767

>>497763
What's so political about a telepathic ape?

>> No.497768
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497768

Pic related. Defoe can eat my balls.

>> No.497963

>>497768

explain

>> No.497965

Pretty much anything Palahnuik.
In some of his books ("Fight Club" and "Invisible Monsters" come to mind) he uses the story the story to let the reader figure out what he wants you to realize (for the most part) but in "Lullaby" and "Choke" he pretty much rams in down your throat.

>> No.497970

>ITT: Books with an opinion

>> No.497973

>>497970

Opinions are bad. All books should be bland and neutral.

>> No.497986

>>497973
I completely agree. Books should be devoid of polemic, passion and principle.

>> No.498073

>>497743

With the Jungle I didn't mind that it was forcing an ideology down my throat because I was enjoying the story of it and the descriptions of horrible abbatoirs.

But then the final two chapters were pretty much paragraph upon paragraph about socialism is great. Being that obvious and blunt is something I can't abide.

>> No.498076

Animal Farm.

>> No.498077

Starship Troopers.

>> No.498126

>>498073
and the connection between the conditions facing the workers in 1906 and the need for socialism completely passed you by?

>> No.498139

>>498073
then do not read The Road to Wigan Pier, or The Iron Heel, The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists, The Grapes of Wrath, News from Nowhere ...

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>> No.498206 [DELETED] 

Socialism: Utopian and Scientific by Frederick Engels.

I'm like tryign to read a book here jeez wtf is w/ cramming all this marxism down my face

>> No.498311

I agree with one of the previous posters, in the early 1900's, Socialism and underpaid workers went together like bread and butter. Thus, you cannot be overreactive over The Jungle.

>> No.498361

>>498126

No it didn't. In fact, I found the socialist message was acceptable and clear from the first description of the appalling work conditions. I didn't need the last chapter looking at me and saying "did you get it?"

>> No.498380

>>498361
think about it in the context of its own time.

Also, not saying this applies to you, but I think people get so uppity about "ideologies" "being shoved down their throat" because we live in an age largely devoid of the old politics, where political debate on TV (such as it is) is bland, managerial and uninspiring, where people with passionate beliefs are derided as being weird or "pushing their views on people", and where there is little substantial difference between the main parties.

>> No.498416

>>498380

I guess at the time Socialism probably wasn't very widely known to the public, but I still think that the final chapter could have been done with a bit more grace. If it'd stopped just after Jurgis got the job at the hotel and was starting to rebuild his life, I would've been much happier.

The last chapter, with the professor talking and talking about how Socialism would fix everything felt too heavy handed. Jurgis, the character I felt sympathy for, was shunted to the side and practically forgotten. The more the professor dictated, the less I cared. As the reader, I want what Jurgis thinks and does, not the professor.

I don't have a problem with the ideology, I have a problem with the delivery. If I want a story that's designed to make me consider socialism I will read it. If I want an essay that does the same, I will read the essay. But I don't want a story with an essay at the end; this is patronizing and jarring.

>> No.498700
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Starship Troopers

>> No.498706

>>498206
op already said political and religious books are a given. >>497751

try again.

>> No.499058

stranger in a strange land by Robert A. Heinlein

>> No.499063

>>498077
>>499058
>>498700

Heinlein is a douche. Everything by him is preachy and overbearing.

>> No.499066

I honestly don't know why The Jungle is considered a classic

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>>499066
>I feel the need to stir some shit in this thread and draw attention to myself

>> No.501453

>>499066

It had a huge impact. That being said, while the first half was great, the second half was a colossal bag of flaming dicks.

>> No.501467

Even though I don't disagree with the message, I found Fahrenheit 451 damn preachy.

>> No.501492

except OP everything in that was true except the workers in the rendering vats

>> No.501512

>>501453
Funny though, Sinclair rejected the legislation that followed his book. His book did not have the effect he wanted.