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4955717 No.4955717[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

>300 pages of no plot and boring rich people
>considered one of the great novels of the 20th century

Did I miss something? Fitzgeralds prose was top notch as usual but that is the only thing going on in this book

>> No.4955877

>prose
stop talking about things you don't understand

>> No.4955937

>>4955877

You are so smart

>> No.4955949

Everyone acknowledges Tender Is The Night to be Fitzgerald's most boring novel, though there is technically good writing in it. It's thinly-veiled autobiography, and Fitzgerald's marriage was coming apart at the seams.

I always found The Beautiful & The Damned more boring though.

>> No.4956482

>>4955717
I loved it but I read a good core of it while drinking so who knows

>> No.4956527

I don't like Fitzgerald at all.
I think there is an american tradition of overhyping contemporary novels that I never GOT. May be it just needs to be GOTTEN and I need to stop caring about the fact that these books aren't really any different than reading the blurb of a cereal box.

>> No.4956636

>>4956527
>I don't like Fitzgerald at all.
How?
>Everyone acknowledges Tender Is The Night to be Fitzgerald's most boring novel, though there is technically good writing in it. It's thinly-veiled autobiography, and Fitzgerald's marriage was coming apart at the seams.
Is it worth reading?

>> No.4956664

>>4956636
>How?
General feeling of "why am I reading this?"
Feeling slightly annoyed at it not being as great as was said
Friend sperging "It's all about women and how they are treated as toys... urrrr henrik ibsen look at all these names
The jewish character... what?
History of early 20th century US would give me a better image of the times
All the allegory in the books seemed ridiculous to me.
The green light and the dutch guys in the boat at the end.

>> No.4956699

>>4956664
>being this retarded

>> No.4956710

>>4955717
1. You weren't around in the time period so a lot is lost.
2. It was influenced by his psycho-wife
3. Fitzgerald's prose was the greatest of the 20's and the greatest in the 20th century as far as Americas are concerned. At least you saw it for prose.
4.Yeah, pretty boring. Still a good book.

>>4956527
It's okay, your opinion doesn't matter if you are wrong.

>> No.4956719

>>4956699
There is no argument for Fitzgerald.
My classmates didn't have one.
The fujoshi who loved the film didn't have one.
My teacher didn't have one.
I trust my gut feeling, because there was never any reason not to in this situation.

>> No.4956722

>>4956719
>people in high school didn't have anything to say about Fitz

lol
no fucking shit retard

>> No.4956730

>>4956722
Nobody talks about Fitzgerald.
It's nothing. It's hot air.
At least there was some kind of consistency unlike more recent american authors,
but it's still just... nothing!

>> No.4956733

>>4956730
If it's nothing there can't be any consistency.

>> No.4956738

>>4956730
>no one talks about fitzgerald in high school

again dumb fuck
>highschool
you do realize they let people who read on a 4th grade level into high school right?
jesus fucking christ

>> No.4956742

>read Gatsby and The Last Tycoon and really like them
>try his other novels and find they're tedious

He's like one of those bands that only has a couple of great songs and the rest is filler.

>> No.4956743

>>4956738
stop taking the lord's name in vain you stupid faggot

>> No.4956756

>>4956742
This Side of Paradise is brilliant.
The Beautiful and the Damned represents Greedy little fucking assholes
The Great Gatsby is perfect
Tender is the Night was a reflection on Post-War emotions
The Last Tycoon is legendary for it being unfinished...and that's it unfortunately.

Fitzgerald's short stories are da bomb, yo.

>> No.4956762

>>4956743
top fucking kek faggot
>MUH NO ARGUMENT AGAINST WHAT I THINK HAS NO CONSISTENCY CAUSE IMMA INA HIGH SCHEWL

>> No.4956765

>>4956527
Sometimes there is nothing to get.

>> No.4956767

>>4956738
Kids like you will always be around.
I also hate T S Eliot, by the way.

>> No.4956774

>>4956762
enjoy burning in hell you dumb aids-ridden faggot

>> No.4956776

>>4956767
Okay? Just because the uneducated hate something doesn't mean anything. Your opinion of T.S. Eliot and other great poets,essayists, and authors does not matter. They hold no weight. Opinions that go against fact don't matter because they are wrong.
Go read your Harry Potter and your Perks of Being A Wallflower. It seems it's the only thing that can resonate with your simple mind.
Also, you're better off finding religion as simple people usually do.
Leave intellectualism to intellectuals, fool.

>> No.4956780

>>4956767
>I also hate T S Eliot, by the way.
well now that's just dumb

idgaf about fitzgerald but eliot is gr8

>> No.4956785

>>4956765
Hmm, true. And I wouldn't even say a story would need that.
I feel as though when reading him, the parts that he thought would resonate with me, didn't, and that there was no other parts that particularly interested me.

I also hate these characters who discuss Fitzgerald.
They remind me of these kind of hugboxes people make about certain musicians.
Just constantly going on about their guitar skills or some thing.
There is literally no discussion. Just hmmm prose or what ever.
There is more discussion in game of thrones or some thing.

>> No.4956786

>>4956776
>being this fedora
/lit/, ladies and gentlemen

>> No.4956792

>>4956774
>>4956765
>>4956743
>>4956730
>>4956719
>>4956664
>>4956767
>>4956785

Sometimes I forget I am on a board that thinks Aristotle is worth a shit...and then I wonder why there are such pathetic, uneducated, and down right simple-minded opinions to be found in threads.

>> No.4956795

>>4956776
I am not sure how I should respond,
but I will do it any way.
Have you ever considered not just following popular opinion?
Fitzgerald is pop. It's some thing girls put on their facebooks accounts to seem cultured.
There's little else to say.

>> No.4956796

>>4956792
>doesn't like aristotle

i bet your opinions are these:
>he's outdated!
>he was wrong about xyz!
>boring!

>> No.4956799

>>4956780
I said that to piss him off,
but I also think some of Eliot's stuff is ridiculous and he relies too much on allegory in stead of art for the sake of art.
I don't even like Phillip Larkin that much, but I would say he is superior.

>> No.4956800

>>4956795
so what are your favorite writers anyway

>> No.4956805

>>4956792
And making shit posts like this makes you less simple-minded... how?

>> No.4956809

>>4956796
Why pay attention to someone who was completely wrong and based all his understandings and teachings on a basis of an overactive imagination that fabricated grimy horse shit?

>>4956795
>he still doesn't get it.
Simple-minded as I

>>4956799
>relying on allegory in stead (in stead ...lol high school education right there) of art for the sake of art (what the stupid fucking shit are you goddamn spewing?)
I guess Joyce relied too much on allegory too.
>>4956800
>Charles Bukowski, Tao Lin, Kurt Vonnegut, Charles Dickens, and William S. Burroughs

>> No.4956821

>>4956800
Edgar Allen Poe
Charles Dickens
Phillip K. Dick

>> No.4956825

>>4956821
well at least you like dickens

>> No.4956828

oh dog, i found this book boring too, but you aren't even funny, OP, go sleep.

>> No.4956829

>>4956821
Mark Twain.

>> No.4956835

>>4956821
>Edgar Allen Poe
Read the Raven
>Charles Dickens
Read A Tale of Two Cities
>Phillip K. Dick
Read iRobot
>DAY MUH FAVORITES!!!!!!!

>> No.4956838

>>4956829
Franz Kafka.
H P Lovecraft (horrible writer, but I still love it)

Why do I always forget my faves when put on the spot?

>> No.4956841

>>4955717

>considered one of the great novels of the 20th century

I'd never heard that of this particular book.

I'm convinced that The Great Gatsby remains well-known because it is short, and thus is sure to be picked for high-school book reports. It was actually my parents who suggested it for that very reason, along with Animal Farm and Goodbye Mr. Chips.

>> No.4956843

>>4956835
Some strange new rusing method?
Sorry, I don't understand jokes.

>> No.4956846

>>4956843
>Sorry, I don't understand jokes.
are you autistic?

serious question

>> No.4956849

>>4956843
I completely believe that you don't understand much of anything.

>> No.4956851

>>4956846
Not diagnosed, no.

>> No.4956852

>>4956843

I think you don't have consistency in what you like.

I don't wanna assert anything but I think that is a bad thing.

>> No.4956855

>>4956852
What makes you think that?

>> No.4956865

>>4956855

You don't have a specific emotion or sets of emotions you chase after in literature. I think that is missing a big part of what literature is.

>> No.4956874

>>4955949
For the fact that he wrote the Beautiful and the Damned, Fitzgerald has to be one of the most overrated authors of the twentieth century. It's practically a crappy romance novel after the protagonist gets back from the War, the war is completely left out, and the only thing that is mildly interesting in the entire book is the protagonist's meeting with the devil.

>> No.4956887

>>4956874
Moreover, it just panders to the whole Ivy League pseudo-aristocratic culture of the Northeastern US (just like a certain staple of American classrooms does as well, just with decent prose).

>> No.4956890

>>4956865
I get a similar feeling from Poe, Dick, Kafka and Lovecraft (ridiculous, but it's there)
Dick is almost too ridiculous, like in Valis how he names himself Horselover fat was fucking whack, but still.
Dickens and Twain stay in there, because, I don't know.
May be they do the same thing that Fitzgerald does but it actually works and there is some thing to discuss.
Dickens' characters are a bit whiney, I suppose.

>> No.4956896

>>4956825
not in this thread so far but when I read dickens within one chapter of expectations I was like holy shit, I get it why he is so revered. It's so vivid and heartfelt, It's so fun to read every bit of it.

when I started gatsby, I was like come again? then I finished It and was like, what?

I don't get it. I don't think I really have any way to identify with it at all.

Where as I just started dubliners and its exactly the same as with dickens and that's the same period as gatsby, 20's yeah?

gatsby kinda seems like a 20's version of something written for the popular masses, its very image heavy and seems to lack any kind of genuine charm.

I doubt I could read any further fitzgerald, especially if it gets more boring.

>> No.4956899

>>4956896
I read Portrait of an Artist, Finnegan's Wake and Dubliners and I personally found Dubliners to be the best.
I think I may prefer short stories.

>> No.4956903

>>4956841
It has well-defined and easily detectable themes running throughout it, as well as pretty excellent lyrical prose (almost objectively so). It also does what I previously mentioned in >>4956887 as well, which makes it especially appealing to materialistic Americans and shallow high school teachers. Being relatively short doesn't hurt either, but reducing it to that makes you and your parents look like imbeciles.

>> No.4957323

>>4956756
Especially Babylon.

>> No.4957402

>>4955717
the plot was dicks decline. His wasted potential, him realizing he could not live up to his own ideals, he could not fix his wife, he could not be there for her like he so easily imagined it would be. It is a very good book to get inside of how Fitzgerald felt about himself.

>> No.4957422

>>4956899
>actually reading Finnegans Wake