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What do you think of Timothy Leary and Robert Anton Wilson?

>> No.4950812

I think it's interesting but also a load of bullshit

Illuminatus! was great though

>> No.4950837

>>4950812

>a load of bullshit

well what makes you say that

>> No.4951697

I think a lot of it is pretty legit

>> No.4951721

I think >>4950812 and >>4951697

>> No.4951764

Scientology-lite

>> No.4951793

>>4950837

dude believes in chaos magic

>> No.4951797

>>4951793
you're special

>> No.4952386

>>4950812
R.A.W. was pretty explicit about his 'model agnosticism' - There's a lovely chapter in Schrödingers Cat where he spells it out and attributes it to Niels Bohr and the Copenhagen interpretation.

>>4951793
Wilson's musings on / interpretations of Crowley actually takes out the cork of the selfinflated magick thing.

>>4951764
If there is any valid comparison it would be more like DIY-scientology- or Scientology without submission and pyramid-schemes.

>> No.4952431

Timothy Leary was a smart dude. I took a graduate level course on personality and we went actually went over his Interpersonal Diagnosis of Personality book some in class. Apparently the models he created were heavily influential in its heyday. Then he took some psilocybin. Then he took some acid. And the rest is history.

I don't think there's really anything inherently wrong with chaos magick. The fact that 14 year old roleplayers on /x/ are obsessed with it shouldn't really bother anyone seeing as they tend to massively misinterpret the whole thing anyway.

Exo-Psychology is entertaining. So is the Game of Life. John C. Lilly is probably another name that might be worth looking into if you're interested in how the whole set of ideas came about. Programming and Meta-Programming the Human Biocomputer is the best book I've ever read about having sex with dolphins.

Personally, I dunno why Ram Dass and Be Here Now and Alan Watts and all that bullshit is considered less embarrassing in its psychedelic eastern mysticism than Leary's psychedelic western mysticism.

I guess it has something to do with the edginess factor that tends to go hand-in-hand with occultism.

As for RAW, he's probably a bit luckier than Leary insofar as he was less politically active and more of an obvious trickster. Though cast of the same mold for certain, he is judged far less harshly. But then again he didn't start as a scientist. The Illuminatus Trilogy is great fun. Never read Schrodinger's Cat but I've heard it was nice.

If you're interested in postmodernism and alternative culture and fringe beliefs, and I imagine you are if you're asking this question, then check both authors out.

Antero Alli has a book on the 8-circuit model as well (Angel Tech) but I've heard it's not as good.


While you're at it check out Psychedelic Information Theory as well.

>> No.4952622

>>4952386
There is a DIY version of Scientology. It's called Wikileaks.

>> No.4952644

They're the Dean and Gene Ween of literature.

>> No.4952845

>>4952431

>The fact that 14 year old roleplayers on /x/ are obsessed with it shouldn't really bother anyone seeing as they tend to massively misinterpret the whole thing anyway.

do explain

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4952858

*tips machine elves*