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4943048 No.4943048[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Who have you related to the most?

I don't think I ever related to any author or non-fictional person until I read D.F.W. I knew I related to a couple prominent character traits in Infinite Jest, but then I read Every Love Story Is A Ghost Story...
I'm not sure if it's based in reality, but I have this fear of judgement for essentially saying 'me and this brilliant person are just alike", & I don't want to get bogged down in the details of my mental dysfunctions - but it seems to be mostly for the worse. I had to put down both IJ and the bio at several points because I was either tearing up or about to have a panic attack or some shit in a public setting or not.

Do you relate to DFW on what feels like deep level? if so, can you describe it any better than me?

I'd at least heard the title before he went and killed himself, I wish I could have read it in time to have written to him.
I started writing D.T. Max several months ago. As yet unsent, writing is pretty hard for me so that and all projects have stalled.

What living authors would respond and be worth writing to?

>> No.4943051

Of course no matter how many rereads the actual proofreading only happened after pressing post. I almost didn't post at all, though. Sorry if you'd rather I hadn't.

>> No.4943054

>>4943048
Oh look another beta white kid tricked into thinking he's a genius by the salesman prose of David "Please Like Me" Wallace.

You sound like an annoying kid and I hope your delusional ambitions make your life miserable.

>> No.4943060

I know your feels bro.

>> No.4943068

>>4943048
Petronius.
Apollinaire.
Aretino.

>> No.4943092

If only there was a way you could simultaneously end your pain AND meet your idol. . . Oh well!

>> No.4943096
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4943096

>>4943054
It's hard not to discount your opinion because you say dumb shit like "beta white kid", but I have nothing better to do than respond.
>thinking he's a genius
No, I'm well aware of how dumb I am. I'm lucky if I can read for 30 minutes at a time these days. That post is the longest thing I've written in weeks.
and you don't know anything about my ambitions, I'm pretty sure I didn't talk about them.
Though, they are delusional, and my life is miserable. Oh and as far as sounding annoying, well let me direct you to my apology over here >>4943051

>>4943060
>>4943068
Really? I wish you'd both expand a little on your posts

>> No.4943101

>>4943092
It might come to that but not any time soon, sorry.

>> No.4943105

>>4943096
How can you relate to Wallace if you claim to be such a wastoid?

Wallace was fatally ambitious and only portrayed himself as a "regular dude" because he was afraid of being seen as an irrelevant, pointy-headed writer. He fails on the most part (see: the hill street blues debate in IJ) but somehow has managed to get people like you to fawn over him

>> No.4943121

>>4943096
Petronius and Aretino were very hedonistic, brilliant, bold, laidback about sex, and knew a lot of things / could narrate any entertaining story with pleasant visions and powerful imagination. They really seem like good fellows with ambition and no illusion, while remaining likable.
Apollinaire is a bit like that too, while more "artsy" than purely hedonistic (which is a nice twist to the usual libertine).
Also, in the same ballpark: Giacomo Casanova. His "Story of my life" is utter amazingness.

>> No.4943130

>>4943121
They sound like huge normalfags

>> No.4943139

Maybe Michel hollebeq after reading the elementary particles. I like the more objective view of humans and their behavior. Reaffirms my, "everyone is terrible, humans are extremely primitive" viewpoint.

>> No.4943149

>>4943105
>wastoid
You're drawing conclusions that are out of proportions with what I said, I think.
Like I said, my ambitions probably are delusional - is that not fatally ambitious?
>fawning
I'm not sure if I'm doing that in my mind or not, but I'm certainly not doing it in my post.

In any case, I get the feeling exactly what I was afraid of is happening and you think I'm implying I'm as great (or whatever) as DFW. \

In fact, I just feel like I have all his bad traits and can't figure out how to overcome them as he did for a while.

>> No.4943162

>>4943121
>Aretino
>"the Scourge of Princes."
>his sixteen ribald Sonetti Lussuriosi (Lust >Sonnets) written to accompany Giulio Romano's exquisitely beautiful but utterly pornographic series of drawings engraved by Marcantonio Raimondi under the title I Modi finally caused such outrage that he had to temporarily flee Rome. In 2007, Michael Nyman set eight of the poems to music. They proved no less controversial: at a 2008 performance at Cadogan Hall, the programs were withdrawn on allegations of obscenity.[2]
nice

>> No.4943166

>>4943130
No. For example, Apollinaire, in his marvelous "Onze mille verges", glamorizes rape, incest, torture, scatophilia, pedophilia, murder, and even lying to people. But it's very smiling, cool, charming, laidback, full of poetry at the same time.
The other ones don't go this far, but they have a great imagination for lewd/hilarious things.
TL;DR: go read some literature instead of judging books you've never opened.

>> No.4943178

>>4943166
>glamorizes rape, incest, torture, scatophilia, pedophilia, murder, and even lying to people.
I'm interested, but I haven't read anything older than than a century or two since high school, will I struggle?

>> No.4943181

>>4943162
Yes, the Sonetti lussuriosi are great (translated in French by Apollinaire, actually -- that's a small world).
What makes me happy is that Aretino was paid huge sums by princes, kings and popes NOT to write about them (because one single short poem of Aretino could ridicule them throughout all Europe). That's like the ultimate literary lifestyle.

>> No.4943188

>>4943181
That's great, I bet tabloids do that nowadays too.

>> No.4943190

>>4943178
I think it was released in 1907.
Don't worry, it is extremely easy to read, but I don't know if it exists in English translation... I know that it was forbidden in Turkey some years ago, the publisher was fined, the books all destroyed, and the European Court of Human Rights has to state about the case!

>> No.4943240

>>4943190
I mistakenly thought all three authors were around the same 1500s time period.

>> No.4943250

>>4943166
>glamorizes rape, incest, torture, scatophilia, pedophilia, murder, and even lying to people

And even lying to people? My God where does it stop

>> No.4943268

Everyone's just going to think I'm a self obsessed douche bag, but Nietzsche. So much.

>> No.4943282

>>4943268
You related to someone who lives in the 19th century?

>> No.4943286

Good Old Neon and certain sections of The Pale King hit really close to home for me too.

>> No.4943295

Holy shit is that thunderf00t on the right

>> No.4943308

One by one, I guess.

>Who have you related to the most?

Among people no longer in existence - DFW, yeah. He's one of about three people (the other two being myself and this girl) I've emotionally zoomed on in to what feels like the utmost human limit.

>Do you relate to DFW on what feels like deep level?

See above. He and his fiction are now a part of my internal worldview color filter set. I've never encountered writing that engaged me more. The only book that comes close is Gombrowicz's Diaries (about six months prior to my starting IJ), and I remember being transfixed in a good, holy-shit way by what seemed like his (Gombro's) honesty, and I remember underlining the shit out of that book. His fiction on the other hand turned out to be nothing special, or much less special, though I desperately wanted it to be otherwise.

>if so, can you describe it any better than me?

All I can do is try, but it kinda sucks to navel-gaze in public, so I won't. any open discussion of dfw-induced personality shifts is bound to end up in navel-gazing, dfw basically being its ultimate deity.

in case you have clinical depression, kudos to you for writing this.

>> No.4943311

>>4943282
More than anyone I've ever read.

>> No.4943317

>>4943268
average4channer.docx

>> No.4943330

>>4943308
>He's one of about three people (the other two being myself and this girl) I've emotionally zoomed on in to what feels like the utmost human limit.


Oh wow you're retarded

>> No.4943409

>>4943317
>average4channer.docx
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>> No.4943451

>>4943308
>in case you have clinical depression, kudos to you for writing this.
It's anxiety more than anything, but I donno anymore. I can't afford to get diagnosed any time soon, regardless.

>it kinda sucks to navel-gaze in public,
Yeah, in hindsight it wasn't a good question.

I wish I'd thought of the term 'navel-gazing' before making this thread.
and done some in private so I could articulate my feelings better.

>>4943330
What's the problem?

>> No.4943464

>>4943268
he was fucked up in the head too right?

>> No.4943566
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>>4943054
wait, it's a common feature of Wallace's prose that 'beta white kids' (just them?) think they're geniuses after?

fuck, accidentally refresh captcha a few times and then enjoy transcribing illegible garbage for the rest of the day

>> No.4943805

>>4943048
I dont give a shit about what you have written but i relate to Rimbaud

>> No.4943818

Joyce Carol Oates

>transcendent feels

>> No.4943831

>>4943048
Vonnegut gets to me. Almost every time I feel bad, I can find part of Slaughterhouse Five that relates. It would be perfect if Billy had no gf

>> No.4943836

Tolstoy's Levin.

+ there is a Kitty who said no to me.

>> No.4944014

so no one writes letters to authors they admire?

>> No.4944075

>>4944014
>sending letters to dead people

>> No.4944081

>>4944075
>not having a favorite living author
absolutely disgusting

>> No.4944095

>>4944081
>sending letters to myself

>> No.4944131

>>4944081
Seriously, I could write a letter to Houellebecq but I always feel that it would bother him or waste his time, if he's reading.

>> No.4944145

>>4944075
http://www.epicurus.net/en/herodotus.html

http://archive.org/stream/petrarchsletters00petruoft/petrarchsletters00petruoft_djvu.txt

>> No.4944150

It goes to show how small the minds here are that their "favorites" are little more than the "ones that most reinforce my worldview".

OP is legitimately disgusting--mostly because he doesn't realize that finding this echo-chamber-slash-hugbox in DFW is probably the worst thing he's done for himself, to date.

>> No.4944160

>>4944095
Go back to being dead, Elliot.

>> No.4944163 [DELETED] 

My dad was (maybe still is, who knows) a prankter when he first married my mom.

He used to love this author called Michael Kenyon (still have his books here in the attic for some reason), and my mother let out one time that he used to take photos of her nude and send them to him pretending to be a female fan and basically they had a correspondence for something like two years with my dad pretending to be my mom/a fangirl. I'm not sure what kind of responses he got but my mother said they were pretty hilarious

>> No.4944191

>>4944160
How dare you talk to me, the supreme gentleman? I'm not dead. I'm awesome. Are you a disgusting yellow Asian, by chance?

>> No.4944246

Thomas Pynchon. Think about too much random shit and like to juxtapose vulgarity with high-society and eloquence. Also I feel like I'm asymptotically close to some thing.

>> No.4944265

>>4944163
>Michael Kenyon
w-wait, what?
the Illinois Enema Bandit?

>> No.4944265,1 [INTERNAL] 

why was this deleted before being pruned