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Are the books this sexy?

>> No.4911106
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>> No.4911109

>>4911103
"the more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water."

>> No.4911122

>>4911109
That's a yes.

>> No.4911127

>>4911103
The way she delivered that line made me erect. I didn't know I was into femdom. I can't even be mad for the blantant misrepresentation of Dany's character in this scene.

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>tfw the world only wants the dutch for our bodies

>> No.4911150

>>4911109
Is it wrong that this scene gave me a boner?

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>>4911143
>dutch
>attractive
This is the average Dutch citizen

>> No.4911152

>>4911143

Well it's certainly not for your language.

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>>4911152
Plebejer gedetecteerd.

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Are the books as well written as the show?

I mean this last episode was amazing.

Damn this last ep was good.

That Dying man scene was 10/10 (pic).

that Hound + Aria scene
that Tyrion + Bronn scene
that Tyrion + Oberyn scene

that Mountain being big as fuck

that Ending (thank you CIA man)

>> No.4911180

>>4911127

her being a whore? it's spot on.
they are making her not to be a complete retard in the show, though

>> No.4911184

>>4911166

Blijven boos, flikker.

>> No.4911190

>>4911180
The whore in that scene was clearly the bearded bloke. The show is really pushing Dany as GURL POWAH.

>> No.4911196

>>4911174
are there really people who think the game of thrones tv show is well written?

>> No.4911197

>>4911180
Her being commanding like that undermines the idea that she's just a young girl who can't help but crave D.

When she acts so dominant she doesn't seem like this is an almost shameful thing she can't help, but more of a casual and very optional fancy.

The show on many occasions has really taken a serious bias towards Dany. That's not a stance I'd like as we're rapidly approaching her destruction arc

>> No.4911201

>>4911196

Do you really need to ask?

>> No.4911206

>>4911196
It's critically acclaimed so I guess you could say that!

>> No.4911212

>>4911196
Almost all of their invented scenes are really stupid, it cuts stuff that shouldn't be cut (where the fuck is the singer for Petyr to frame?) but I'll give it dialogue.

The real gold of the show is the 1 on 1 conversations between characters. The show does a good job of having every character that meets have good chemistry. Even ones that don't meet in the books.

Arya and Tywin in S2 for example.

>> No.4911219

>>4911197
In my opinion this way of playing it is better. Given her current position, she'd totally be lording it over everyone and be all domineering. Nothing wrong with craving the D, as long as it doesn't get in the way of her being a Queen. Which they seem to be avoiding making it (yet?).

>> No.4911229

>>4911212
>but I'll give it dialogue.
>The real gold of the show is the 1 on 1 conversations between characters. The show does a good job of having every character that meets have good chemistry. Even ones that don't meet in the books.

That's usually what separates good from bad writing in tv shows.

the rest is just plot action and entertainment. But ya, the show has great dialogue

this scene itself was brilliant: >>4911174

>> No.4911230

Can you think of a more explicit example of a Mary Sue in TV? The term gets abused so often, but this is an actual honest-to-god Mary Sue.

>> No.4911235

>>4911219
It's the difference between a dominating all powerful queen and a young girl thrown into a position of power she wasn't ready for. The show makes Dany out to be much more competent than she is in the books, and her control over her sexual desires is much more matured. It think Dany's most interesting character development comes from the near future, and is beginning now, where her mistakes catch up to her and she gets a reality check. She's not a mighty ruler, she's a young girl.

>>4911230
If the show adapts the rest of the series faithfully that will change. Dany's Mary Sue-ness was a deliberate misdirection.

>> No.4911237

>>4911152
de taal is cool, en de mijne is geheel anders

>> No.4911248

>>4911235
I can't fucking wait. I'm a showfag (I tried to read the books but he writes like a child), and the most unbearable thing in the show is Dany's scenes. She is so hatefully smug and self righteous in every scene, each scene being the same one repeated again and again of her being smug and full of western values while men and brown people fall at her feet.

Honestly, if she had been intentionally written up to this point to be the show's biggest villain they'd be doing a perfect job. I can't fucking wait for this bitch's comeuppance.

>> No.4911261

>>4911248
>She is so hatefully smug and self righteous in every scene, each scene being the same one repeated again and again of her being smug and full of western values while men and brown people fall at her feet.

I'm all for the brown slave people falling at her feet (it's believable and realistic). She and her minions have higher breeding.

But there is no drama or intrigue in her scenes, she's established her power and is very safe. Each scene is like you said, her being smug and self-righteous

>> No.4911273

>>4911261
It is just ridiculously offensive TV, and without any self consciousness. It looks like what a victorian fantasy TV show would consist in: pure white liberator comes to free the savage foreigners of their shackles, at one turn saving the poor brown people while also smiting the evil brown people.

>> No.4911277

>>4911248
As for Daenerys' character, look at pic related from the show.

Archvillain imminent.

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>>4911277
Fuck, forgot the pic.

>> No.4911300

>>4911273

As an animal-rights advocate (and transexual half-indian, half-japanese who practices Kabballah and has the soul of a Wolf) I can't believe the show promotes a carnivore life-style!! All the characters are mindless drones who eat meat left and right. None are vegetarian, none are smart enough to challenge the status-quo.

They even keep animals as pets, totally ignoring the fact that animals are sentient and have just as much rights as we do!! I can't believe how corrupt and Westernized the show is.

I can barely watch it while being culturally enriched by my soul-partner, Jamal Ubuntu.

>> No.4911302

>>4911103
No. No, no, no, no, and no.

Yes, the books have *sex* in them, but the sex scenes in question are about as far from sensual and arousing as possible because Martin has a real knack for writing comparatively well (or at least solidly) and then stumbling headfirst into sheer cringe territory; and he does this more often than not during sex scenes. You'll find a more passionate description of a roast hen in the books than you will of anything pertaining to the human body.

>>4911273
It is odd, isn't it? You'd think that - given all the contrived and outright fake "controversy" over perceived offenses to political correctness in the last few years - that everyone would be all over the most brazen and bald-faced "heroically racist" plot line in a popular television show that I can recall in recent memory. But apparently not.

>> No.4911314

>>4911174
muh nothingness

>> No.4911319

>>4911248
Like I said, it's deliberate in the books but really played up in the show. She's meant to look all powerful, glorious, perfect.

But you saw it in the show already. Her dragon's are out of control, the cities she "liberated" are rising against her, her "justice" is being scowled at as cruelty.

The Targaryan flag was never shown around Dany for a very long time in the show, until >>4911282 Why? To make you forget, and not think about her heritage.

She's a Targaryan. Born by incest to a line of conquerors and madmen. She's also a young girl with no experience.

>> No.4911338

>>4911302
>>4911319
She's a girl so it's okay.

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>>4911319
>tfw she starts going crazy
>tfw at long last she descends into full, frothing madness

>> No.4911381

>>4911338
This, it's a liberated womyn, not a male oppressor

>> No.4911392

>>4911302
>>4911300
>>4911261
>>4911273

I actually thought all these were pretty funny. I mean, it's a medieval fantasy storyline set in a medieval fantasy universe. I sincerely believe that anyone trying to tack on real-life 21st century values to this series/show and getting outraged is an actual moron.

I think you'd be better off complaining that the majority of Bond villains are Russian. At least then you'd be complaining about a story actually set in the real world.

>> No.4911440

>>4911392
No one is really about it (because in history, it's true white men bring technology and order to the savages), it's just hilarious seeing the SJW totally being fine with a white liberator as long as the liberator is a strong womyn

>> No.4911665

>>4911174
>that Mountain being big as fuck

I thought that scene was really poorly handled. Thought I was watching something from Season 1.

>> No.4911694

>>4911665
>not impressed by a 6'9, 420lb monster

Art thou a homosexuale' or a fair maiden?

>> No.4911720

>>4911694
I was referring more to the overall scene than to The Mountain himself, but now that you mention it, I wasn't all that impressed with him either. Even with the books pretty much building him up to mythical proportions, I was still able to picture him as a frothing madman. But on the show, he just seems like a lumbering brute. Which is probably the point, but not a good one to make for such a character. I half-expected him to start saying "HORDOR". Dude had no presence to speak of, and the show had to resort to blood'n'guts to show how, like, sooooo totally badass this guy is. I hope the fight with Oberyn is more impressive.

>> No.4911721

>>4911665
which? the scene where the mountain is just killing a bunch of peasants for some reason?

Yeah. There are more subtle ways of re-introducing that kind of character

>> No.4911725

>>4911694
>implying I wouldn't "fuck" him silly
faggot

>> No.4911736

>>4911720
>my expectations
>my expectations
>And also, I should mention my expectations

that's your problem.

>> No.4911737

>>4911302
Most of those sex scenes were meant to be as unappealing and cynical as possible. They're usually instances of someone exercising power over another. Although there are some that are just plain bad.

>> No.4911744

>>4911736
And Oberyn was handled differently from my expectations, and I was still impressed with the dude. The Mountain scene was underwhelming as fuck.

>> No.4911752

Oberyn is like Marquis de Sade was irl. A filthy debaucher but fearless on the battlefield.

>> No.4913427

>>4911152
fucking laughed so hard at this

thank you anon

>> No.4913448

>>4911174
>habit
Human existence in a nutshell.

>> No.4913468

>>4911721
I think those were prisoners who requested trial by combat, that would explain why they were given weapons too.

>> No.4913479

>>4911103
Wasn't she just a kid in the books...

>> No.4913488

>>4911392
It's more that the show itself thrusts 19th century values into a supposedly medieval-inspired world. The only reason I can think that they got away with it is that most commentators are riding the waves of sexy female power fantasy, because YAY FEMALE POWER FANTASY. Then you remember that this stuff is all just cheap entertainment, breathe out, and learn to enjoy it for the silly shit it is.

>> No.4913555

>>4913468
Oh, that makes sense. I was confused when I first saw that.

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>>4911152
lel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wENZmBofwSw

>> No.4913628

>>4913479
Yes.

>> No.4913657

>>4911282
I don´t remember this. Which ep is it from?

>>4911752
>fearless on the battlefield
What?

>> No.4913687

>A warhorn blew. Harooooooooooooooooooooooooo, it cried

>> No.4913700

>>4913687
Does anyone have the actual text for this? It destroys my sides every time.

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>>4913700

>> No.4913779

fat pink mast

>> No.4913798

>>4913759
It gets funnier every time.
>Ser Gregor ais huge sword and bellowed a command
Is my new favourite part. The allusion to diarrhoea at the start is good too.

>> No.4913896

>>4913759
"Haro" actually means something in French. It's either a cry for help or cry of discord.

>> No.4914118

>>4913657
>What?
Sade was apperently a hard cunt in the seven years war.

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>>4913759

>> No.4914249

>>4914142
It took me so long to realise that this wasn't actual GRRM.

>> No.4914257

>>4914249
Because it looks just like him.

>> No.4914308

>>4914249
I had the books next to me and tried to imitate his style.

>> No.4914325

>>4914142
>his sore penis
lmao

>> No.4914331

>>4914325
Did you get the heat reference, because dragons are hot, breath fire and all that?

>> No.4914433

>>4914308
Well done, it is perfectly awful.You should write some more.

>> No.4914486

Wait wait, does Dany become a mad dictator later on?

Haha this is god tier trollery! So much race debate and white-knight shit will immense on possibly the largest scale since that freaking Cheerios Commercial

>> No.4914542

>>4914433
Yes, please do. Maybe next time you can imitate his scat fetish.

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>>4911152
Wat zegt u?

>> No.4916651

>>4914486
The race debate really should be going on right now. Even plenty of Edwardian writers would find her story offensive. Alas, no-one gives a fuck because she's a strong woman who don't need no man (because she has magic lizard babies).

>> No.4916678

>>4913616

>implying that's difficult

If you were taught Arabic as a kid that's not even a challenge.

>> No.4916699

>>4911219
good dialogue? every conversation is the same. it's always about two men having a competition in honour, strutting around like peacocks, seeing who'll fold first.

it's not even consistent with the fedual system or the values the characters have. sometimes it'll be straight up feudal, but when it doesn't fit (or the idiot writers forget about it) they drop it and let the characters be moderns, screaming "fantasy world, fantasy world! we can do what we want!" which is a stupid cop-out.

i mean, why won't tyrion fuck the fourteen year old (oh the horror, she's not of legal age according to a value/legal system not invented yet or even of our world!)

why does that spanish/greek/whatever fop openly imply that the patriarch (and de facto leader of westeros) of the lannisters ordered the rape of his sister? is he a fucking dumbass?

why could geoffrey terrorise tyrion openly on his own wedding? he's a king, not tyrant, and underage too. he's subjected to rules and codes of decorum like everyone else.

no, do you know why? because the writers are retards who don't couldn't write a decent scene to save their lives. they're all the same! peacock strutting, chest-thumping!

"i'm a big man"
"well i'm bigger"

and then they stare as if not blinking mattered.i it's fucking stupid, you twats. despite a million things happening nothing is of consequence because there is no point of anything. it's rambling; it's porn. honour porn.

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>>4916699

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>>4916699

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>>4916699

>> No.4916756

>>4916724
>>4916717
>>4916753
Hello ladies. This is how good men prevent rape. So before you go bashing fights about honor, just remember that protecting you girls is our job. You're welcome.

>> No.4916757

>>4916699
Uh, I think you linked the wrong post?

Plenty of medieval rulers did act like total childish idiots, but you are right to say that the dialogue in GoT is awful. It is psychopath and honour/manliness porn. Everyone is constantly trying to fuck everyone else over, everyone has modern values or is an old relic. No-one seems to believe in anything other than a renaissance-faire version of chivalry, which in all cases costs them to be killed. It's a fat american's wanking dream of what europe could've been like if it was totally more awesome.

>> No.4916803

>>4916756
What a bizarre post

>> No.4916848

>>4916699
>"fantasy world, fantasy world! we can do what we want!" which is a stupid cop-out
Let's be honest. For a fantasy series, it kind of makes sense, don't you think?

Most of the decisions were made for better conflicts, which provide better entertainment for the viewer. Imagine if Geoffrey didn't terrorize Tyrion in his own wedding. That would be a hell of a lot more boring, and you would also have lost your build up to the poisoning.

It's obvious that most of their decisions on these things were made to create more amusing scenarios, and also to make certain characters more likable, that way you are attached to them before they die (hence why Tyrion refuses to have sex with the girl). I don't particularly enjoy the series, but wouldn't you say that that is fairly decent writing?

>> No.4917044

>>4916848

Sure, Tyrion not fucking the girl is a way for the author to make him even more likable, but at least it wasn't out of character for him at that point. Plus, he was clearly aroused by her naked body if you remember the scene in the book. At least the author put that in. It would be bullshit if he would go "No, I'm not even aroused by this 13-year-old female body that has the curves of a woman!"

>> No.4917065

>>4916803
this

it doesn't make any sense at all

>> No.4917077

>>4916699
>why could geoffrey terrorise tyrion openly on his own wedding?
>he's subjected to rules and codes of decorum like everyone else
Huh? You think there aren't real-life examples of monarchs abusing their power in stupid petty ways? Granted, if they're smart they'll avoid unnecessarily antagonising people, but Joffrey isn't supposed to be smart.

>> No.4917095

>>4911197

hmmm first time I encountered a blackened out text that was indeed a spoiler and not a stylistic device.

now it is spoilered for me and I can't even be mad...

but then again: meh

>> No.4917115

>>4916678
It´s not so much difficult as is sounds ridiculous. I´ve been living in the Netherlands for almost two years now, and I still hear most of Dutch conversations as chrr-chrrr-chr-chr-chr-chrrr, as if they were ceaselessly getting snot out of their throats.

>> No.4917141

>>4916699
>why does that spanish/greek/whatever fop openly imply that the patriarch (and de facto leader of westeros) of the lannisters ordered the rape of his sister? is he a fucking dumbass?

>why does that spanish/greek/whatever fop openly imply that the patriarch (and de facto leader of westeros) of the lannisters ordered the rape of his sister? is he a fucking dumbass?
That would be because the only reason he even came up north from Dorne is because he's really upset about the way the lannisters ordered the rape of his sister, and he's there to stir shit up and get some vengeance. He is not there to make friends or assure the Lannisters of Dorne's continuing loyalty to the crown.

>> No.4917143

>>4917044
Yes, not making him a rapist is a cunning ploy to make him even more likable.

>> No.4917576

>>4911197
>we're rapidly approaching her destruction arc
>imblying

>>4917095
>now it is spoilered for me
>implying

>>4916848
>hence why Tyrion refuses to have sex with the girl
wait, what are we talking about here? Sansa? Or was there some other 13 year old he didn't want to have sex with? If Sansa I figured it was not because of her age but because she hated him and his family, didn't want to be married to him and he feels bad for her.

>> No.4917603

>>4916699
>why won't tyrion fuck the fourteen year old
who we talkin bout?

>why does that spanish/greek/whatever fop openly imply that the patriarch (and de facto leader of westeros) of the lannisters ordered the rape of his sister? is he a fucking dumbass?
the whole reason he is having this duel with Gregor is so that he'll be allied to Lannisters again. What are the Lannisters going to do? Deny what he's saying and hang him? They need Dorne's strength at this point in time, they'll let him do and say pretty much anything.

>>4916699
>he's a king, not tyrant
do you even know what those words mean?

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>>4911103
mfw op is sub.

>> No.4918631

>>4916699
>i mean, why won't tyrion fuck the fourteen year old (oh the horror, she's not of legal age according to a value/legal system not invented yet or even of our world!)
I'm only going by what took place in the lit, not the show, since I don't watch it, but are you really suggesting that it would have been absolutely impossible for any man prior to our time to reject the 14 year old maiden snatch of his wife based on genuine moral opposition? Any man would have jumped on her in an instant with frothing mouths, unable to suppress their ravenous lust? Tyrion felt a tremendous amount of sympathy for the girl, given what she had endured, and probably an even greater amount of shame, considering his family's role in her family's downfall. He also realizes the humiliating implication if Sansa sleeps with a dwarf; Tyrion isn't a monster, he is capable of empathy, especially to other outcasts, misfits or people who have suffered, and I'm sure he posses a healthy dose of self loathing.

>why does that spanish/greek/whatever fop openly imply that the patriarch (and de facto leader of westeros) of the lannisters ordered the rape of his sister? is he a fucking dumbass?
Are you referring to the show or books? There certainly wasn't any thing wrong with this plot in the books.

>why could geoffrey terrorise tyrion openly on his own wedding? he's a king, not tyrant, and underage too. he's subjected to rules and codes of decorum like everyone else.
But he *is* a tyrant, at least within the family and palace. His mother, uncle, grandfather and council determine political decisions, but Joffrey is still the king. And as a King with a violent, unstable streak (age be damned), he can do close to whatever he wants within the palace. The only thing that can restrain him is his family, not fucking decorum. Plus I'm pretty sure his mother had no objections to seeing Tyrion humiliated. And why is young age significant in this case but not in the above with Sansa?

While I think the show is very silly in many places, especially with translating from the source material, and I agree whole heartedly with the stupid modern values inserted for good measure, your post was ill thought out and all over the place. None of the above points represent some contradiction between contemporary European feudal social values and conventions. And why is that this franchise has to be a total and faithful reproduction of such a time? Nothing suggests there needs to be any more than a loose inspiration; the 'rules' are established by the author more than another time period, and he's done an incredible job at rendering such a complete world.

>> No.4918678

>>4917115
Where are you from dear barbarian?

>> No.4918696

>>4913468
Thats pushing it.
Peasants dont get a trial by combat. It was just practice for Greg because.... I dunno ask DnD.

>> No.4918727

>>4916756
lol

>> No.4918886

Alas, would that they had kept The Flagpole That Rides from season 2 and given him some decent armor

>> No.4919720

>>4911103
No man the books are filled with shit>>4911109

>> No.4920136

>>4911300
>Jamal Ubuntu
hahahaha

>> No.4920237

>>4913448
>>habit
>Human existence in a nutshell.


yep good eye, that was a great scene

>> No.4920243

>>4911174
>That Dying man scene was 10/10 (pic).

Best thing about that scene is the actor.
He played Vladimir in Waiting for Godot.

His musings about life and death were very Becketesque in that scene. Good stuff

>> No.4920280

>>4911106
I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS

>> No.4920670

>>4917143
Impyling having sex with your wife was ever rape before the 60's..

>> No.4920761

>>4911103
Anyone else sad we didn't get a full blown sex scene between the two?

Could have been sexy as fuck to see her continue being forceful during it.

Instead. just an ass shot of a guy.

>> No.4920762

>>4920761
Pretty sure the actress refuses to do nudity anymore, so its a moot point.

>> No.4920764

>this thread is still alive
Please, stop.