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4876533 No.4876533[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Is this book mostly celebrated for its prose? The plot itself is neat but doesn't seem extraordinary.

>> No.4876536

it's mostly celebrated for its social commentary

then its prose

>> No.4876541

Symbolism's easy to explain to high school students.

>> No.4876560

It's praised for being ahead of its time while still being very much a product of its time, as well as simply being an excellently crafted modern tragedy.

>> No.4876601

>>4876533
one of the critical theory books i have talked about how the great gatsby can be related to just about every theory in some way. it was interesting, but i still dont enjoy the book. i appreciate it, but its no fun to read

>> No.4876605

>plot
Hoooo boy.

>> No.4876622

>>4876533
Overrated shit.

>> No.4876635

“If it wasn’t for the mist we could see your home across the bay,” said Gatsby. “You always have a green light that burns all night at the end of your dock.”
Daisy put her arm through his abruptly, but he seemed absorbed in what he had just said. Possibly it had occurred to him that the colossal significance of that light had now vanished forever. Compared to the great distance that had separated him from Daisy it had seemed very near to her, almost touching her. It had seemed as close as a star to the moon. Now it was again a green light on a dock. His count of enchanted objects had diminished by one.

>> No.4876640

>>4876622
>Overrated
Meaningless criticism.

>> No.4876643

>>4876640
meaningless post

>> No.4876645

>>4876643
I think it was pretty meaningful.

>> No.4876647

it's most celebrated for my dick in you queer ass

>> No.4876651

>>4876647
hnnngh

>> No.4876657

>>4876533
Reread it. On the first read, it seems trite and campy, but on the second read, the dramatic irony and tragedy is almost overbearing.

>> No.4876674

I don't understand pleb's obsession with story above all else.

>> No.4876683

>>4876674
Loser.

>> No.4876689

>>4876645
I don't.

>> No.4876691

>>4876683
I do understand, it holds the most dramatic value which is gay.

>> No.4876719

>>4876635

that line "it had seemed very near to her", is it talking about the green light? the syntax feels a little off

>> No.4876727

I'm going to start reading this book soon. How exactly should I approach it?

>> No.4876807

>>4876727

Honestly, I would just read it, don't really come into it a certain way.

>> No.4876926

>>4876727
>How exactly should I approach it?
The book is so short it's practically a novella, and its prose is clear - there's no point in treating it like approaching a difficult Joyce or Pynchon novel.

>> No.4876932

>>4876727
>how should I approach it
Read it you faggot

>> No.4876998

I love how the characters and plot are almost mythical, yet it all feels very very real to me. Plus it's just so focused and efficient.

>> No.4877021

>>4876727
prose wise- keep an eye out for how fitz crosses the auditory and visual fields.

For instance,

auditory w/ color:
"The lights grow brighter as the Earth lurches away from the Sun, and now the orchestra is playing yellow cocktail music, and the opera of voices pitches a key higher."

Visual w/ noise:
"The only completely stationary object in the room was an enormous couch on which two young women were buoyed up as though upon an anchored balloon. They were both in white, and their dresses were rippling and fluttering as if they had just been blown back in after a short flight around the house. I must have stood for a few moments listening to the whip and snap of the curtains and the groan of a picture on the wall. Then there was a boom as Tom Buchanan shut the rear windows and the caught wind died out about the room, and the curtains and the rugs and the two young women ballooned slowly to the floor."

>> No.4877033

>>4877021
Man that book is so vivid

>> No.4877054

>>4877021
oh and how he describes static objects with motion.

"The lawn started at the beach and ran toward the front lawn for a quarter of a mile, jumping over sun-dials and brick walls and burning gardens--finally when it reached the house drifting up the side in bright vines as though from the momentum of its run."

Other than that just read it and get what you can out of it. There's a lot of ways to interpret it, so if you really like it try to find some essays on it, i'm sure they have at least one collection of essays at your library.

>> No.4877058

>>4877054
>>4877021
the word you're looking for is metaphor i think?

>> No.4877062

>>4876998
This.
There's also something that simply feels good when you're reading this book, like you're suddenly projected into a brand new, fascinating, lush and intoxicating world... Not exactly the kind of experience you would expect from a hundred years old book. Gatsby feels like reality (but a superior, impossible, moving kind of reality) and not like culture!

>> No.4877068

>>4877062
>like you're suddenly projected into a brand new, fascinating, lush and intoxicating world..
This is Gatsby's world(the character)
Thats what the book is about

>> No.4877117

>>4877058
not really.
The passage about the girls ballooning around the room could be seen as a allegory for the whole story, but the addition of the auditory "whip and snap" and the "boom" gives an auditory physical presence to Tom that enhances the thematic meaning. other two passages are just descriptions, but Fitz was doing interesting things in his prose that my highschool self didn't pick up on. I mean, is he actually trying to say something with the cosmic description of the cocktail music? I personally don't think so, though it does seem rather intentional so maybe i'm just not picking something up.

>> No.4877126

>>4876533
The prose is tight, but unextraordinary.

I once posted excerpts and dissected them for /lit/.

Everyone lose their minds and cried like little babbys.

>> No.4877155

>>4877126
Which of his peers do you think had more extraordinary prose? not trying to start shit here just honestly interested. Faulkner is the only one i can think of.

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>>4877155
I must admit I'm not educated nor have I specialized enough in modernist writers (writers from 1900-1930).

Though I have read notable works from that era, but not enough to be confident enough to say which authors of Joyce's contemporaries has terrific prose.

That being said, I am only confident in that I can take an excerpt from The Great Gatsby which demonstrates Fitzgerald poetic prose style, and demonstrate how it's really unremarkable--or undeserving of its praise.

I did however pick a passage at random, perhaps I could have just as easily picked a brilliant passage and come to the conclusion that Fitzgerald is indeed a dynamo of sentences and syntax.

After I finish my toast, I'm going to pick another passage at random and do an honest critique.

This should be fun, stay tuned.

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>>4877211
>The relentless beating heat was beginning to confuse me and I had a bad moment there before I realized that so far his suspicions hadn’t alighted on Tom. He had discovered that Myrtle had some sort of life apart from him in another world, and the shock had made him physically sick. I stared at him and then at Tom, who had made a parallel discovery less than an hour before—and it occurred to me that there was no difference men, in intelligence or race, so profound as the difference between the sick and the well. Wilson was so sick that he looked guilty, unforgivably guilty—as if he just got some poor girl with child. (124)


Ok, so let’s start dissecting this puppy.

> The relentless beating heat
This is not the best of way of saying it—far too niggardly. “The beating, relentless heat was beginning to...”
The added comma better emphasizes the relentlessness of the beating heat.

> and I had a bad moment there before I realized that so far his suspicions hadn’t alighted on Tom.
This is suffering from an abundance of words, and awkward syntax. This is how it should go: “...and I was in a bad way before I realize that his suspicions hadn’t alighted on Tom.”

Also, Fitzgerald’s use of bogus *insert grammatical definition* such as “so far” and “some sort”. Yuck.

The end of the paragraph is the kicker to Fitzgerald’s unimaginativeness
> Wilson was so sick that he looked guilty, unforgivably guilty—as if he just got some poor girl with child.

COME ON! “As if he dun knocked up a poor country lass with child”. Jeez loweez. I don’t know if Fitzgerald is trying to ham it up with some mid-west American saying or something (but virtually every culture has some kind of saying related to “knocking up a girl”), but I find it grossly unforgivable to pass up an opportunity like this to not put something clever or witty in there—like “as if he just did his taxes”. Lol something like that.

>> No.4877352

>>4877126
Are you just going into the threads that are actually about books and trolling about vaguely dissecting books in the past?

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>>4877352
Here you go:>>4877342

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>>4877352
>>4877155
See ya later ya humbled chumps.

>> No.4877438

>>4877342
first point is fair. but also remember that it's Nick's voice. The "so far" and "some sort" could be colloquial much like the some poor girl with child. your last point is not a very good criticism imo.

I also still hold that for every subpar passage in Gatsby there are multiple great ones.

>> No.4877446

>>4877342
>I don’t know if Fitzgerald is trying to ham it up with some mid-west American saying or something

Well, considering the narrator is from the mid-west...

I also think what you're doing is stupid and you've lost sight of the forest for the trees.

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>>4877438
>>4877446
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nCPcO_LIZg

Look at these weak-wristed faggots desperately trying to match my intellect, and failing miserably. They are the run-off, I am the gold. They are the deceivers, and I am the light.

They try to change the world into mediocrity, where as I rise all that is great with me.

They try to ruin western civilization, where as I, I triumph.

Nothing smells sweeter than a foe slain, and I have slain these two dunderheads. I wish I could say it gave me respite, but instead gives me a more insatiable blood lust.

>> No.4877523

>>4877514
pic of you pls

>> No.4877535
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>>4877523

>> No.4877554

>>4877342
never even read this book but you're retarded

>The added comma better emphasizes the relentlessness of the beating heat.
but also de-emphasizes the confusion of the heat and is more boring. you're confusing strangeness for a mistake. strangeness is good. strangeness is a big part of style.

>This is suffering from an abundance of words, and awkward syntax. This is how it should go: “...and I was in a bad way before I realize that his suspicions hadn’t alighted on Tom.”

once again you are removing the confusion which is probably why it was phrased like it was originally. also "i was in a bad way" sucks. also it doesn't mean the same thing as "i had a bad moment there", and doesn't fit the voice of the narrator as well.

basically your complete substitutions for this sentence remove everything interesting about it.

>but I find it grossly unforgivable to pass up an opportunity like this to not put something clever or witty in there—like “as if he just did his taxes”.
that's not clever at all, and also isn't universal at all. as another poster said, the phrase used better emphasizes the narrators character.

>> No.4877568

>>4877126
>>4877211
>>4877342
>>4877514
>>4877423
autism

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4877571

>>4877554
>never even read this book but you're retarded

Child, don't talk of things you have no idea of.

This is my swamp.

>> No.4877592

>>4877571
>>4877535
>>4877514
You're the same faggot from the Ulysses thread aren't you?

Are you also the same one in the "How to Read Like a Professor" Thread?

>> No.4877605

two passages I reall loved:

>I began to like New York, the racy, adventurous feel of it at night, and the satisfaction that the constant flicker of men and women and machines gives to the restless eye. I liked to walk up Fifth Avenue and pick out romantic women from the crowd and imagine that in a few minutes I was going to enter into their lives, and no one would ever know or disapprove. Sometimes, in my mind, I followed them to their apartments on the corners of hidden streets, and they turned and smiled back at me before they faded through a door into warm darkness. At the enchanted metropolitan twilight I felt a haunting loneliness sometimes, and felt it in others — poor young clerks who loitered in front of windows waiting until it was time for a solitary restaurant dinner — young clerks in the dusk, wasting the most poignant moments of night and life.

and the very end is breathtaking to me

>Most of the big shore places were closed now and there were hardly any lights except the shadowy, moving glow of a ferryboat across the Sound. And as the moon rose higher the inessential houses began to melt away until gradually I became aware of the old island here that flowered once for Dutch sailors’ eyes — a fresh, green breast of the new world. Its vanished trees, the trees that had made way for Gatsby’s house, had once pandered in whispers to the last and greatest of all human dreams; for a transitory enchanted moment man must have held his breath in the presence of this continent, compelled into an aesthetic contemplation he neither understood nor desired, face to face for the last time in history with something commensurate to his capacity for wonder.
And as I sat there brooding on the old, unknown world, I thought of Gatsby’s wonder when he first picked out the green light at the end of Daisy’s dock. He had come a long way to this blue lawn, and his dream must have seemed so close that he could hardly fail to grasp it. He did not know that it was already behind him, somewhere back in that vast obscurity beyond the city, where the dark fields of the republic rolled on under the night.

>> No.4877608

>>4877592
faggot

>> No.4877613

>>4877571
im glad you're admitting that your "dissection" is shit

>> No.4877627

>>4877608
omg you are

this is amazing get a trip pls

>> No.4877640

>>4877627
no you're just a giant faggot. die of aids

>> No.4877655

>>4877640
wow ur mad pal

>> No.4877659

>>4876719

Yes. He is saying that the green light far off in the distance is closer to Daisy than he is, and he is literally touching her.

>> No.4877661

>>4877605
>for a transitory enchanted moment man must have held his breath in the presence of this continent, compelled into an aesthetic contemplation he neither understood nor desired, face to face for the last time in history with something commensurate to his capacity for wonder.

yeah that line gets me every time. I don't know if my interpretation is right, but I see it as Fitz saying that the first and the last time the american dream was realized was when the dutch sailors first discovered the land.

>> No.4877667

>>4877659
Well maybe he meant that she resembles the green light more closely than she does him

>> No.4877670

>>4877661

thats some deep shit

>> No.4877673

>>4877655
and you're a filthy faglord m8

>> No.4877745

>>4877605
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but a lot of those passages are half-coherent trains of thought mixed in with purple prose.

I'm just going to pick out a couple things I found lacking.
>for a transitory enchanted moment man must have held his breath
It should be: "...for an enchanted transitory moment, man must have held his breath..."

This line:
>where the dark fields of the republic rolled on under the night.
Is pretty (I guess), but inappropriate when contrasted to the melodramatic plot and grade 6 symbolism of the "green light" that came before it.

My problem with Fitzgerald is not that he isn't competent, but that he is praised undeservedly. He could have greatly benefited from an editor (or a better one).

>> No.4877763

>>4877745
his editor was maxwell perkins...

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>>4877763
Into the trash he goes.

>> No.4877789

>>4877745
you are so bad. let me show you why you're wrong again:

>It should be: "...for an enchanted transitory moment, man must have held his breath..."
yes, and then you will put a breath in the sentence, destroying the effect of the sentence, which talks about holding your breath.

>Is pretty (I guess), but inappropriate when contrasted to the melodramatic plot and grade 6 symbolism of the "green light" that came before it.
why don't you think for about 5 seconds about why the fields are dark while the symbol is a light. i mean seriously just like 5 seconds

>> No.4877792

>>4877745
> inappropriate when contrasted to the melodramatic plot and grade 6 symbolism of the "green light" that came before it.

what's so "grade 6" about this symbol?

>> No.4877798

Its celebrated because its the only academic book that isn't boring

>> No.4877803

The bottle of whiskey — a second one — was now in constant demand by all present, excepting Catherine, who “felt just as good on nothing at all.” Tom rang for the janitor and sent him for some celebrated sandwiches, which were a complete supper in themselves. I wanted to get out and walk southward toward the park through the soft twilight, but each time I tried to go I became entangled in some wild, strident argument which pulled me back, as if with ropes, into my chair. Yet high over the city our line of yellow windows must have contributed their share of human secrecy to the casual watcher in the darkening streets, and I was him too, looking up and wondering. I was within and without, simultaneously enchanted and repelled by the inexhaustible variety of life.

>> No.4877812

>>4877745

The word "transitory" feels totally unnecessary, as calling it "a moment" implies that its not permanent.

>> No.4877855

>>4877789
>yes, and then you will put a breath in the sentence, destroying the effect of the sentence, which talks about holding your breath.
Ok first off,
>implying that use of a comma are inserting "breaths" in sentences

Secondly, if the sentence is talking about "holding your breath", the emphasis wouldn't be on making a long winded sentence, the emphasis would be on lack of words and sentences.

Thirdly, there are commas there already:
>for a transitory enchanted moment man must have held his breath in the presence of this continent, compelled into an aesthetic contemplation he neither understood nor desired, face to face for the last time in history with something commensurate to his capacity for wonder.

You have destroyed, your intellect is far weaker than mine. Enjoy being a 420 enthusiast loser. lol don't get upset, just go hit some more of that bong mary-jane, smokey mcbongwater.

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>>4877792
>what's so "grade 6" about this symbol?
>Green light=envy,greed,etc

The amount of times that green light is referenced is cringe worthy.

>> No.4877876

>>4876533

>Not American
>Read this book when I was 21
>Don't think it's revolutionary

It's a good book. If you can truly detach yourself from the high-school-syllable-esque nature of it (I know many of you can't) then you'll appreciate it but it's not as if its theme is anything extraordinary.

>> No.4877900

>>4877855
>implying that use of a comma are inserting "breaths" in sentences
it makes them less breathless, yes
vs
it makes them less breathless yes

second is more breathless yes?

>Secondly, if the sentence is talking about "holding your breath", the emphasis wouldn't be on making a long winded sentence, the emphasis would be on lack of words and sentences.
where did you get that idea

>Thirdly, there are commas there already:
yes, commas follow after a bit, but they come after the effect was needed, i.e. when "held his breath" was said. if a poet wants to convey slowness, do they use ONLY spondees? no, because that would be overkill and too obvious, they subtly substitute one or two spondees or other "slowing" effects in a crucial place.

you have no nuance or insight in your criticism at all.

>You have destroyed, your intellect is far weaker than mine. Enjoy being a 420 enthusiast loser. lol don't get upset, just go hit some more of that bong mary-jane, smokey mcbongwater.
nice inaccurate fantasy

>> No.4877912

>>4877864

It's actually referenced not much at all.

>> No.4877916

>>4876689
Why?

>> No.4877927

I'm just stunned at how real the characters and their motives all seem. Excellently put together. It's written very practically and elegantly; not a sentence is wasted and it's entertaining from start to finish.

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>>4877900
>where did you get that idea
Oh my god, did you actually think I was going to let you get away with this side-stepping my poignant point?

Let me reiterate what you said:
>where did you get that idea

This is where I got it from:
>or a transitory enchanted moment man must have held his breath in the presence of this continent
>man must have held his breath
>man
>held his breath

I have destroyed you by humouring your own critique of my critique. You made up the "artistic importance" of not including the comma where I suggested, because you were under the impression that since the passage was about "holding in a breath", the presence of a comma where I believe one should be to make for better prose, would (in your mind) ruin the effect in that there shouldn't be a comma because the passage is supposed to give the effect of holding one's breath.

Not only did I prove you wrong, I tore apart the logic you created out of your ass, in that if the passage was supposed to be about "holding one's breath", then there would be a lack of narration, not a super abundance.

You're projecting fallacious artistic integrity to the passage in question to excuse its clunky awkward prose, just like a stupid highschool teacher would.

You're an intellectual peon compared to me. You lost. Lick your wounds and get smarter, then come back to me for another fight another time.

(this is the part where you go on your knees and say, yes sensei)

>> No.4877949

I put it down when I saw the first sentence, a horribly written run-on.

>> No.4877956

>>4877948

This is one of the stupidest images I've seen on 4chan. Why would it be in the shape of a venn diagram if it's just comparing what two things are saying?

And if an author is a good writer, he wouldn't mention the color unless it was for a good reason.

>> No.4877971

>>4877949
>In my younger and more vulnerable years my father gave me some advice. I’ve been turning over in my mind ever since."

That just sounds jerky and jarring, and when it's two separate sentences, the next sentence (the content of the advice) would be off topic from the previous one (the act of "turning it over in his mind").

>> No.4877975

>>4877971

No, there should be a comma after vulnerable.

>> No.4877979

>>4877975
>In my younger and more vulnerable, years my father gave me ...

...Is that even correct? If it is, it's kind of disorienting.

>> No.4877983

>>4877979

oops i meant after years

>> No.4877985

>>4877948
>poignant point
nice usage of poignant

>the emphasis wouldn't be on making a long winded sentence, the emphasis would be on lack of words and sentences.
the opposite is true. what are you even trying to say here? a sentence with a lot of words without semicolons or certain comma usages is going to evoke breathlessness moreso than a short sentence. you seem to be saying the opposite. do you really think that hemingway sentences evoke breathlessness more than the last chapter of ulysses?

>just like a stupid highschool teacher would
you're in high school aren't you?

no, what i'm doing is actually thinking about why certain things are the way they are instead of just assuming i'm better than the author and pointing out anything slightly out of the ordinary.

btw the comma substitution you made is just needless anyway, even if there was no breathless effect to the sentence.

btw you're not serious with all the shit about how great you are right?

>> No.4877986

>>4877983
I agree, that makes it a little more conventional and easier to parse, but it's not atrocious the way it is now. It's also pretty silly to disregard an entire literary classic because there's not a comma where you want there to be in the very first sentence.

>> No.4877995

>>4877949
>>4877971
>>4877975
This is how it should be written:

“I’ve been turning it over in my mind all these years; the advice my father gave me in my younger and more vulnerable days.”'

Now that's how you fucken start a "great american novel".

>> No.4877997

Stop being autistic and read it for the money. Gatsby gets paid.

>> No.4878001

>>4877995

That made me laugh out loud. Such a grammatically incorrect sentence.

>> No.4878005

>>4877995
I don't know where to begin with how wrong that sentence is. My mind is bending trying to find a starting point.

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>>4878001
Somebody's jelly.

>> No.4878007

>>4878006

I was showing appreciation for his funny post.

>> No.4878017

>>4877995
that's not even grammatical

>> No.4878020

>>4877995
Semicolons are for connecting two independent clauses, not for one independent clause and a simple subject. I don't even know why you would think that's correct; it doesn't even sound good.

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>>4878001
>>4878005
>>4878007
>>4878017
>>4878020
>implying it's not grammatically perfect
>implying it's not simply perfect
>implying it's not better than what Fitz wrote
>implying it's not a dramatically enticing way to begin the novel

hahahahah, you guys are like weeds, and I'm a rose. You'd rather strangle me than let me grow beside you. Thankfully, I have thorns to protect me.

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>>4878031
#SO #FUKKEN #REKT

>> No.4878040

>>4878031
>i was only pretending to be retarded

post some of your writing pls

>> No.4878060

>>4878031
It isn't grammatically perfect though.

>> No.4878095

I kind of regret that this book got me into reading. I fell too far in love with it and I've never really been able to enjoy anything else quite as much. I always compare it back to this.

>> No.4878118

>tfw I don't recall reading this even in HS

>> No.4878125

In HS we were supposed to read it but I just sparknotes'd it to pass the class. I fucking loved the plot, even from the summary, but I was a lazy shit so I didn't read it until a couple years later, which is when I really fell in love with it.

>> No.4878128

>>4878095
I never have read this book. That said let me recommend to you either The Crying of Lot 49 or If on a winter's night a traveler or even White Noise. I think maybe they could pull you from this trap.

Should I breeze through this book in a weekend, /lit/? I guess it wouldn't hurt I just don't think I care about it at all.

>> No.4878154

>>4878128
lel

>> No.4878207

>>4878128
>this guy

>> No.4878223

>>4878207
>>4878154
If you're saying I should read the book I'll find time to do so relatively soon. I just have read other modernist authors and nothing I have ever heard about this book is enticing, at all.

>> No.4878226

>>4878095
I know that feel man, except with music. Fucking sucks.

>> No.4878260

. . . One autumn night, five years before, they had been walking down the street when the leaves were falling, and they came to a place where there were no trees and the sidewalk was white with moonlight. They stopped here and turned toward each other. Now it was a cool night with that mysterious excitement in it which comes at the two changes of the year. The quiet lights in the houses were humming out into the darkness and there was a stir and bustle among the stars. Out of the corner of his eye Gatsby saw that the blocks of the sidewalks really formed a ladder and mounted to a secret place above the trees — he could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder.

His heart beat faster and faster as Daisy’s white face came up to his own. He knew that when he kissed this girl, and forever wed his unutterable visions to her perishable breath, his mind would never romp again like the mind of God. So he waited, listening for a moment longer to the tuning-fork that had been struck upon a star. Then he kissed her. At his lips’ touch she blossomed for him like a flower and the incarnation was complete.

Through all he said, even through his appalling sentimentality, I was reminded of something — an elusive rhythm, a fragment of lost words, that I had heard somewhere a long time ago. For a moment a phrase tried to take shape in my mouth and my lips parted like a dumb man’s, as though there was more struggling upon them than a wisp of startled air. But they made no sound, and what I had almost remembered was uncommunicable forever.

>> No.4878449

>>4878226
what album?

>>4878207
>>4878154
gatsby and crying of lot 49 are two of my favorites

>> No.4878474

A bunch of rich fucking morons kill each other. One of the rich fucks is so deluded that he can't see that this bitch doesn't want him.

>> No.4878475

It's efficient, I'd say; packing that much commentary into so little a space is admirable, but maybe that's more an effect of a time period begging to be commented on so loudly rather than "hurrr best book of 20th."

>> No.4880642

>>4878474

Wilson isn't rich at all....he lives in the valley of ashed..

>> No.4880659

>>4876635
>His count of enchanted objects had diminished by one.

I fucking love this.