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>"In the Jewish 'Old Testament', the book of divine justice, there are men, things and speeches of so grand a style that Greek and Indian literature have nothing to set beside it. One stands in reverence and trembling before these remnants of what man once was." --Nietzsche


Ever been profoundly disappointed and disgusted by what your favorite writers think? Making them unreadable from then on...

>> No.4853549

so NEETchi is a christfag?

>> No.4853552

>>4853547
>taking this long to drop that fucking retard

>> No.4853555

>profoundly disgusted and disappointed
>because Nietzsche admired Jews
/pol/ is the confluence of old-timey racism and whiny entitlement

>> No.4853557

What makes you so mad? Is it because the image you have of him is of an edgy Dawkins-Reddit-fedora atheist and that this sentence makes your whole world crumble?

>> No.4853564

>>4853557

Because he thinks something as trite as the Old Testament is more grandiloquent and bombastic than Greek literature or even Indian literature.

he must have been fucked in the head.

Also, praising yiddish writing is pretty wrong in and of itself, but the comparison he draws is extremely mistaken.

>> No.4853567

>implying Nietzsche could read Hebrew

>> No.4853578

>>4853564
>the Old Testament
>trite

30 Then Jehu went to Jezreel. When Jezebel heard about it, she put on eye makeup, arranged her hair and looked out of a window. 31 As Jehu entered the gate, she asked, “Have you come in peace, you Zimri, you murderer of your master?”

32 He looked up at the window and called out, “Who is on my side? Who?” Two or three eunuchs looked down at him. 33 “Throw her down!” Jehu said. So they threw her down, and some of her blood spattered the wall and the horses as they trampled her underfoot.

34 Jehu went in and ate and drank. “Take care of that cursed woman,” he said, “and bury her, for she was a king’s daughter.” 35 But when they went out to bury her, they found nothing except her skull, her feet and her hands. 36 They went back and told Jehu, who said, “This is the word of the Lord that he spoke through his servant Elijah the Tishbite: On the plot of ground at Jezreel dogs will devour Jezebel’s flesh.[b] 37 Jezebel’s body will be like dung on the ground in the plot at Jezreel, so that no one will be able to say, ‘This is Jezebel.’”

>> No.4853589

>>4853578

>dull and direct language, no style or power at all

>barbaric superstitions and gore for shock value

Yep, it's shit.

>> No.4853596

>>4853578

pulp-fiction at it's most basic.

>> No.4853632

>>4853567
If his ability to translate is pertinent, it's interesting that he calls the New Testament a "rococo of taste." The epistles have a developed rhetorical style, but I'd think there's more diversity to be found in the Old Testament if he's not using "taste" in a more refined sense, a kind of self-conscious flavor, not strictly necessary.

>> No.4853650

>>4853589
>criticizing the prose of a translation

Is your IQ low enough to where you believe this unironically?

>> No.4853652

>>4853650

the funny part is that the translation is better than the original. Go figure.

>> No.4853894

Would Nieztsche be a liberal lgbt, welfare queen type if he were alive today?

>> No.4853902

>>4853652
Too bad you must've wasted all that time learning Hebrew to read it, then.

>> No.4853906

>>4853547

He's right though. If you don't believe in a god and look at the old testament as a work of classic literature, it's a masterpiece of great invention and style. The men in them do great epic things and they give great speeches. Are you such a fedora that you can't put aside religion for one minute and look at it from literary perspective?

>> No.4853910

>>4853589
>barbaric superstitions and gore for shock value

That sounds like Greek and Indian lit as well, though.

>> No.4853912

>>4853906
>Are you such a fedora that you can't put aside religion for one minute and look at it from literary perspective?

I am looking at it from a literary perspective and it pales in comparison to Greek and Indian literary mythology.

He also says it's far better than the New Testament, and it isn't.

>> No.4853919

>>4853902


To be fair Hebrew is one of the most repugnant sounding languages and has no aesthetic merit (worse than Mandarin).

One doesn't have to speak it to acknowledge this.

>> No.4853929

>>4853912

Only because you take it for granted. There are many, many stories of great invention in the old testament. You, being a white man presumably, were probably raised on Christianity and so all these stories seem everyday to you.

But what you're forgetting is they were written thousands of years ago. And they've pervaded our culture (even just from a literary standpoint) in as profound a way as Greek myth has. Look at something like Moby-Dick, to which the old testament many great metaphors and analogies.

The old testament is mythology. Why do you feel like they are separate? The old testament is just mythology that lasted. The great Indian literature is religious too. It's the foundation of Hinduism and Buddhism. It's just not your religion, so you're able to get distance.

Isn't it at least a little impressive that people have been believing these stories for thousands of years. Just the fact that it's lasted is pretty impressive.

Also, if you dropped every philosopher who said something you didn't agree with, you'd have maybe one, but probably none, left.

>> No.4853933

>>4853919
>implying
>implying mandarin

sure thing, kiddo

>> No.4853942

>>4853929

>incoherent ramblings signifying nothing

Ok.

>> No.4853946

>>4853942

That's one way to argue on 4chan. As long as you feel good about it, I'm all for it.

>> No.4853978

>this thread

I lol'd.

I'm an atheist through and through but I think some of the shit in the old testament is awesome. crazy, but awesome.

>one stands in reverence and trembling

yes, of course, it was written with that intent

I don't think you can draw any conclusions such as 'Nietzche admired jews' or 'Nietzche was a christfag' from this.

>>4853929
well said.

>>4853589
>>4853596
>>4853942
moron/troll

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>>4853978
>>4853929

samefag plz go

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>>4853547
You get over it or take up STEM

>> No.4854096

/pol/ please go

>> No.4854100

>>4853564
>grandiloquent and bombastic
You clearly don't even know what these words mean

>> No.4854101

>>4853555

Trips have spoken

>> No.4854105

>>4853549
>In the Jewish `Old Testament', the book of divine justice, there are men, things and speeches of so grand a style that Greek and Indian literature have nothing to set beside it. One stands in reverence and trembling before these remnants of what man once was and has sorrowful thoughts about old Asia and its little jutting‑out promontory Europe, which would like to signify as against Asia the `progress of man'. To be sure: he who is only a measly tame domestic animal and knows only the needs of a domestic animal (like our cultured people of today, the Christians of `cultured' Christianity included ‑) has no reason to wonder, let alone to sorrow, among those ruins ‑ the taste for the Old Testament is a touchstone in regard to `great' and `small' ‑ : perhaps he will find the New Testament, the book of mercy, more after his own heart (there is in it a great deal of the genuine delicate, musty odour of devotee and petty soul). To have glued this New Testament, a species of rococo taste in every respect, on to the Old Testament to form a single book, as `bible', as `the book of books': that is perhaps the greatest piece of temerity and `sin against the spirit' that literary Europe has on its conscience.

>> No.4854138

>>4853555
>>because Nietzsche admired Jews

"“the youthful Jew of the stock exchange is the most repugnant invention of the whole human race.” - Nietzsche

He new what was up with Jews, but he did compliment them once or twice. Even that is unacceptable.

>> No.4854146

>>4854138
Jews were a lot more synonymous with capitalism then than they are now. Even Karl Marx would be considered antisemitic were he alive today.

>> No.4854163

>>4854100
Did you expect anything more from someone who uses the word "trite"?

>> No.4854172

>>4854100
>You clearly don't even know what these words mean

Nietzsche was talking about "grand style" so OP's use of 'grandiloquent' fits pretty well.

>> No.4854185

>>4853919
>Hebrew
>no aesthetic merit

you obviously have no idea what you're talking about

>> No.4854192

>>4854172
No that's wrong you fucking retard. If you weren't so self-assured a google search could clear all this up for you

>> No.4854240

>>4854185

horking and phlegm sounds aren't appealing sorry.

>>4854192
>google

"gran·dil·o·quent: extravagant in language, style, or manner"

Nietzsche said grand in style. Google translates grandiloquent as "extravagant in language, style, or manner"

:^)