Hello /lit/, I plan on writing something based on ancient Greek mythology. Any tips?

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Anonymous Sat Mar 27 21:43:14 2010 No.484800 [Reply] [Original]

Hello /lit/, I plan on writing something based on ancient Greek mythology.

Any tips?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 21:44:14 2010 No.484805 Insert lots of gay sex between old men and young boys.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 21:45:14 2010 No.484807 Read a lot of mythology, not just Greek. Know how people actually lived back then. Also read the Greek tragedies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 21:45:14 2010 No.484810 Make sure you know what you're talking about. What kind of "something" are you planning on writing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 21:45:14 2010 No.484811 >>484800 >ancient Greek mythology automatically 10 points for OP. Find something thats not over-used and not pretentious

GL Pretentious Hipster !!uIkcv+zTDkg Sat Mar 27 21:45:14 2010 No.484812

>>484805

Don't fall for this moron's trap. Gay/Straight distinction didn't exist in the Greco-Roman world. It was penetrator/penetrated and Initiator of Act/Person Acted Upon.

That is why Prostitutes in Rome were considered 'male' and allowed to wear the Toga.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 21:47:14 2010 No.484817 Just get the mythology right. Half the people that claim that they know it have no idea how the gods interacted with each other and the human world, just basic ideas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 21:49:14 2010 No.484828 >>484807 What in particular anon? >>484810 I haven't fully decided, I just have a keen interest in it and would like to write something based upon it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 21:53:14 2010 No.484845 >>484828 Iliad, Odyssey, Metamorphoses All extant work by Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides Some poetry from your preferred Greek poets This is a tiny beginning. I'm no Greece expert.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 21:56:14 2010 No.484854 >>484845 greecian phiosophy can be interesting, but don't get involved. The tragedies are where real greek mythos tradition comes from, try the Oedipus trio

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 21:59:14 2010 No.484861 We have about 30 Greek tragedies. They're all pretty good,. Don't expect to understand any of them without commentary or annotation though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 21:59:14 2010 No.484864 >>484854 >but don't get involved ???

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:00:14 2010 No.484865 so true Try also finding the legends on how everything came to be, it will help with references in the story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:01:14 2010 No.484870 inb4 Percy Jackson

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:03:14 2010 No.484876 >>484854 Nothing on that list was philosophy. It will all be helpful to an aspiring writer of Greek mythology tales.

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:05:14 2010 No.484883

Read dialogues of Plato's philosophy that contradict with or question the nature of the Greek pantheon like Euthyphro then have the Gods actually existing and laughing at Plato and acting around those dialogues. Name it "Plato and Apollo on a Sunday Morning."

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:05:14 2010 No.484885 >>484864 eg, don't take a year off to study plato not worth it, philosophy of that era is obselete and not particularly relevant. It has no cultural value in the same way a myth does

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:06:14 2010 No.484891 >>484885 Aristotle. Go fuck yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:07:14 2010 No.484892 >>484883 Or read the last book of Plato's Republic and make a story based off of the Myth of Er using Clotho, Lachesis, and Atropos.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:08:14 2010 No.484896 >>484885 >philosophy of that era is obselete How can eternal truths become obsolete?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:08:25 2010 No.484893 >>484885 >philosophy of that era is obselete How can eternal truths become obselete?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:09:14 2010 No.484901 >>484885 I've decided to dedicate my life to studying Platonism. As you might imagine, I find your response deeply troubling.

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:09:14 2010 No.484902

OP, I share your love of Greek mythology. I would recommend reading someone like Joseph Campbell, who more or less dissects myths and analyzes them. I've also been enamored ever since I was a little girl, so please feel free to ask any questions you might have.

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:12:14 2010 No.484911

>>484891
I've read aristotle, nothing interesting or relevant. The bit about him recommending students learn to play the lyre in addition to being knowledgeable stuck out as a considerably irrelevant piece of rhetoric. I have little respect for philosophy, and the greek philosophers have little to add to greek mythology.

>>484893
In the same way that we replace old lifestyles with new ones. little relevance to the modern day

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:14:14 2010 No.484916 File: 88 KB, 1024x707, leave the internet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>484911 Congratulations! You're an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:15:14 2010 No.484920 >>484916 Your study of philosophy hasn't done much for your arguing skills.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:15:14 2010 No.484921 Maybe you could write about those weak southern gods being destroyed by the more powerful northern ones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:16:14 2010 No.484924 >>484901 hmm, prehaps so. Plato is an interesting case with his "the republic", but I still stick by my case. what is written in paper by no means reflects the whole.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:16:14 2010 No.484925 >>484920 We aren't arguing. I was simply stating a fact.

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:16:14 2010 No.484926

>>484911

>greek philosophers have little to add to greek mythology
Many ancient Greek philosophers dealt with Greek myths. Greek mythology was an integral part of later Neoplatonism for example.

>In the same way that we replace old lifestyles with new ones. little relevance to the modern day
A true progressive! Everything is always getting better right?

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:21:14 2010 No.484938

>>484926
Many ancient Greek philosophers dealt with Greek myths.
prehaps, yet they do not form the dramatic core.

>A true progressive! Everything is always getting better right?
incorrect, I'm taking this from a strictly realist standpoint. No such thing as progression, but I am saying that the practices of humanity ha\ve little reflected the idealistic beliefs of the phosophers, and even more so in the modern era .

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:21:14 2010 No.484939 >>484925 Now I'm sure that Plato and Aristotle aren't worth studying, since their thoughts can poison a mind so that it becomes like yours.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:22:14 2010 No.484940 >>484939 Cool desperate attempt to try and insult me and save face, bro.

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:27:14 2010 No.484946
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>>484940
yet another example of how the morally upstanding citizen does not exist, even after reading philosophy endorsing such.

I'm real scared, kiddo. No argument has trumped my debate, therefore methinks we have a winner here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:28:14 2010 No.484950 >>484946 Like I said, we aren't arguing. Cool delusions of persecution, bro.

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:28:14 2010 No.484952

>>484938
>I am saying that the practices of humanity ha\ve little reflected the idealistic beliefs of the phosophers, and even more so in the modern era .
All the more reason to expose ourselves to the drastically different ideas of the ancients. Why should we limit ourselves to thinkers who parrot our personal pre-conceptions of the world?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:30:14 2010 No.484958 >>484811 LITERARY INDIE CRED AMIRITE GUISE

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Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:31:14 2010 No.484966
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>>484950
U mad? I've won this one.

It's like watchinging lemmings jump over the cliff

>>484952
fair 'nough. However my argument is that it is largely useless. Greater society does not abide by these rules, so one simply ends up wasting one's time

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:33:14 2010 No.484968 File: 17 KB, 256x243, 1268501569547.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>484966 "I won an argument on 4chan! I'M KING OF THE WORLD!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:33:14 2010 No.484970 >>484968 >It's like watchinging lemmings jump over the cliff post-game score is 1

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:35:14 2010 No.484972 >Greater society does not abide by these rules The ancient philosophers would have agreed with your claim (properly qualified of course). >so one simply ends up wasting one's time This would be true if matter was the only thing to exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:35:14 2010 No.484973 >>484970 daddy never love you or something? you're seeking attention on an anonymous imageboard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:39:14 2010 No.484981 >>484973 >It's like watchinging lemmings jump over the cliff post-game score is 2 >>484972 argument is valid, you really havn't disproved it

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:39:14 2010 No.484984 >>484981 *is not valid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:40:14 2010 No.484988 >>484981 read some modern philosophy. there is no such thing as a valid argument, because there is no such thing as truth. experience is subjective.

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:43:14 2010 No.484995
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>>484988
the relevance of this counter-debate being...

truth being subjective does not negate the fact that subjective truths may have more followers than other and therefore greater real world power.

I've seen modern, I don't see what makes it special by taking the obvious to extremes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:45:14 2010 No.485000 >>484995 no such thing as the real world, broseph. only thing that exists is what people imagine there to be. and everyone's experience is different.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:47:14 2010 No.485010 >>484988 >>484988 2+2=4

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:48:14 2010 No.485011
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>>485000
your argument invalidates itself. no reason to believe in people, therefore no reason to be posting on 4chan. Silly fool, even if life is a dream you must still abide by the interactions of the dream

your argument is invalid

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:48:14 2010 No.485012 >>485000 no such thing as people we are all figments of God's imagination

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:49:14 2010 No.485013 File: 55 KB, 401x500, catatonic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] thread needs more bert and ernie

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:49:14 2010 No.485015 >>485011 lucid dreaming, faggot. learn it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:51:14 2010 No.485023 File: 44 KB, 269x303, bertAndErnie.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this thread is now about bert and ernie

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:51:14 2010 No.485024 >>485015 >lucid dreaming >uses a real world example that does not exist in theory to prove point idiot detected. ever heard of illusionary correlation?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:53:14 2010 No.485030 >>485024 you don't know what "real world" means.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:53:14 2010 No.485032 >>485030 >It's like watchinging lemmings jump over the cliff post-game score is 3

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:54:14 2010 No.485034 >>485032 >it's like watching lemmings post on 4chan where is your scoreboard now?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:55:14 2010 No.485036 File: 138 KB, 500x333, berterniepumpkins.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sometimes, life is about Bert and Ernie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:55:14 2010 No.485039 File: 41 KB, 358x243, trollz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>485034 >It's like watchinging lemmings jump over the cliff post-game score is 4

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:57:14 2010 No.485044 >>485039 wait, you think you're trolling me? i'm the one doing the trolling here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:58:14 2010 No.485047 File: 19 KB, 493x402, 1268527920010.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>485044 looks liek I win

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:58:14 2010 No.485048 File: 40 KB, 448x298, jacko.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If we believe in them, they will believe in us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:59:14 2010 No.485050 File: 13 KB, 386x330, trololol.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>485047 you postmodern piece of sheet sheeeetttttt ahahahahahahaaahahahah

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:00:14 2010 No.485051 >>485047 lol. we've got a case of trolls trolling trolls here. i should have realized it when you started keeping score. i mean, nobody is really that stupid, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:01:14 2010 No.485054 File: 39 KB, 469x428, Trollface.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>485051 thats right boi

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:04:14 2010 No.485060 >>485054 well, i'm glad we sorted that out. but, seriously, virtue ethics is the only moral theory that even comes close to having any kind of practical application.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:06:14 2010 No.485063 >>485060 >implying virtue ethics is the only moral theory that even comes close to having any kind of practical application.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:06:14 2010 No.485064 File: 24 KB, 247x272, evil_baby_close.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>485060 look who's a little late, boi. looks liek I winrar 4 evar!@1!!!!!!11!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:07:14 2010 No.485066 >>485063 >implying every other moral theory (except amoralism, but that doesn't count) doesn't fall flat on its face

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:08:14 2010 No.485069 >>485066 >implying I'm implying every other moral theory (except amoralism, but that doesn't count) doesn't fall flat on its face

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:08:14 2010 No.485071 File: 153 KB, 470x386, 1269063033327.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>485066 >still butthurt over losing score of 999 and counting

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:09:14 2010 No.485072 >>485069 >implying you weren't implying what you implied

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:09:14 2010 No.485073 >>485072 >implying I was implying you weren't implying what you implied

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:10:14 2010 No.485074 >>485071 >implying anyone wins when arguing on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:10:14 2010 No.485075 File: 20 KB, 398x343, 1269209327772.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] who just won the troll competition and is surrounded by illiterate sheeples? me

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:12:14 2010 No.485078 >>485075 >implying who just won the troll competition and is surrounded by illiterate sheeples is you

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:12:14 2010 No.485079 >>485075 >sheeples Only braindead idiots say that. The correct term is "humans".

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:13:14 2010 No.485080 >>485079 >implying Only braindead idiots say that. The correct term is "humans".

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:13:38 2010 No.485081 File: 32 KB, 427x507, 1268358008020.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>485078 >failed grade 10 and cannot read the writing on the wall >my face agaaohaha you people are as easy to own as a choclate bar

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:14:14 2010 No.485082 >implying that if you imply enough someone will simply resort to saying ">implying implications" I see what you're trying to do here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:15:14 2010 No.485084 >>485081 >implying agaaohaha you people are as easy to own as a choclate bar

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:15:14 2010 No.485086 >>485081 >implying there is a wall to write on This is an imageboard, not a wall. What are you, retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:16:14 2010 No.485087 If you can get your hands on D'Aulaires' Book of Greek Myths, you'll be set.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:16:14 2010 No.485089 >>485086 >implying This is an imageboard, not a wall. What are you, retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:16:14 2010 No.485091 File: 8 KB, 203x251, 1266793412755s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>485084 looks liek the post-game score is over 9000

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:17:14 2010 No.485093 >>485091 >implying looks liek the post-game score is over 9000

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:17:14 2010 No.485095 >>485091 >over 9000 >implying that meme is still funny

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:18:14 2010 No.485097 File: 23 KB, 428x336, 1266567329507.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>485095 >>485093 check and check. you illiterates mad? I doubt you maggots have ever read a book in your life ahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:19:14 2010 No.485099 >>485097 >implying you illiterates mad? I doubt you maggots have ever read a book in your life ahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:19:14 2010 No.485102 >>485099 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:20:14 2010 No.485103 >>485102 >implying and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:20:38 2010 No.485104 File: 142 KB, 477x358, really?.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] my face when i saw this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:21:14 2010 No.485106 >>485097 >implying you can be illiterate and still write posts on 4chan What are you, an e-reader user?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:21:38 2010 No.485105 >>485104 >implying my face when i saw this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:22:14 2010 No.485108 >>485103 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:22:14 2010 No.485109 >>485106 >implying What are you, an e-reader user?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:22:14 2010 No.485111 >>485106 and check >>485109 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:23:14 2010 No.485112 >>485111 >implying and check and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:23:14 2010 No.485113 File: 22 KB, 195x195, 1269635480558.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] All of you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:24:14 2010 No.485115 >>485112 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:24:14 2010 No.485116 >>485113 >implying All of you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:25:14 2010 No.485120 >>485116 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:26:14 2010 No.485122 >>485120 >implying and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:26:14 2010 No.485123 >>485120 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:27:14 2010 No.485125 >>485122 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:29:14 2010 No.485130 >>485125 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:30:14 2010 No.485137 >>485130 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:31:14 2010 No.485143 File: 10 KB, 251x251, 1267746305399.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:32:14 2010 No.485146 File: 35 KB, 463x299, smiling-cat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>485143 looks liek nihlism wins,motherfucker. U mad?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:32:14 2010 No.485147 gods raping

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:33:14 2010 No.485149 >>485146 >implying nihilism wins

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:33:14 2010 No.485150 >>485149 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:34:14 2010 No.485151 >>485150 >implying and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:34:14 2010 No.485153 >>485151 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:34:14 2010 No.485154 >>485149 >implying winning exists

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:35:14 2010 No.485157 >>485154 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:36:14 2010 No.485160 Oh, fuck it. >implying implications

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:37:14 2010 No.485161 >>485160 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:37:14 2010 No.485162 lotta samefaggin up in dis shit yo

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:38:14 2010 No.485166 >>485162 and check

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:38:14 2010 No.485169 >>485162 >implying samefagging

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:38:14 2010 No.485172 >>485169 and check

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 28 07:32:14 2010 No.486225 OP here, thanks for the few contributions and thank you to the many fuck heads that turned this thread to shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 28 07:43:14 2010 No.486232 >>484800 Hey OP, I just picked up Robert Graves' Greek Mythology, and I'm finding it to be incredible. Way more comprehensive than other similar volumes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 28 08:12:14 2010 No.486261 >>486232 Thanks, I'll look into it. I have a copy of The Odyssey translated by George Chapman. Should I attempt to find a more recent translation or will this do?

Anonymous Sun Mar 28 08:38:14 2010 No.486305

>>486261
>>486261
The one from the 17th century? Honestly, I'd recommend against it, especially if you're using to to try and understand the story telling devices and style of the Greeks. Chapman translated into rhyming couplets of 8 beats a measure (don't know what this is called). This is very un-Greek. The Greek original doesn't rhyme and was written in hexameter. The language of Chapman's edition is outdated and very dense. To translate such a work as the Odyssey into English with rhyme, you have to really warp the words and meanings to fit an arbitrary aesthetic vision. Like they told Pope when he translated the Odyssey into couplets: "It's a pretty poem, but it's not Homer."

There are tons of free editions online that are much better. Go with one of those unless you really have a desire to slog through Chapman's Odyssey, not Homer's Odyssey.

If you can pay for an edition, I recommend Fagles. He made a very authentic translation, in verse (hexameter, I think), but was willing to sacrifice the verse for clarity and accuracy. That is what you'll want to read so you can better understand the work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 28 09:10:14 2010 No.486380 >>486261 >>486305 Yeah, Fagles is the way to go.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 28 09:15:14 2010 No.486391 >>486305 Just grabbed Fagle's translation from undernet for the time being. Thanks.

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