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ITT: Opinion discarded

>"social contract"
>"political correctness"
>"reverse racism"
>"non-agression principle"
>"human nature"
>"false dichotomy"

>> No.4816011

"parallels"

>> No.4816023

>leftard
>libtard

>> No.4816028

>>4816001
oppression
exploitation
bourgeoisie
the 1%

>> No.4816031

>"Equality"
>"Tabula rasa"
>"History is the story of"
>"X is the radical notion that y is z"
>"Privilege"
>"Racism"
>">>>/pol/"
>">>>/reddit/"
>">>>/tumblr/"

>> No.4816047

>"0.999... = 1"

>> No.4816071

>priviledge

>> No.4816073

>"ITT: Opinion discarded"
>">"social contract""
>">"political correctness""
>">"reverse racism""
>">"non-agression principle""
>">"human nature""
>">"false dichotomy""

>> No.4816088

>""

>> No.4816092

>">"

>> No.4816098

>misandry
>misogyny
>anti-semitism
>Zionism
>anthropic principle
>observational bias
>scientific truth

>> No.4816106

>using a gif from a pleb show

>> No.4816107

>>4816092
>">">""

>> No.4816113

>>4816107
>">">">""

>> No.4816117

>>4816113
>">">">">""

>> No.4816118

>>4816107
>>4816113
>*posting greentext extensions of a joke that was old before it was posted*

>> No.4816137

>>4816118
>"*"

>> No.4816139

>>4816001
Any buzzword of the month from /pol/ or Tumblr. Remember to pay attention to the strength of the reasoning itself and not exclusively its conclusion.

>> No.4816141

>>4816031
>"Privilege"
>"Racism"
>any words that describe social phenomena

Opinion discarded !

>> No.4816148

>>4816047
but thats true

>> No.4816150

>>4816141
But rejecting "human nature", that's okay, yeah?

>> No.4816169

>Marxist
>Marxian
>Marxism
>Marx

>> No.4816255

>>4816150
yeah that's a common fallacy

>> No.4816260

>EvolaKid

>> No.4816265

>>4816255
But that's what "privilege" and "racism" are!

>> No.4816282

>>4816001
What's wrong with false dichotomy? People use them all the time in terrible arguments.

>> No.4816293

>scientism
>Evola/Evolakid
>patriarchy
>patrician
>pleb
>fedora
>cis
>WASP
>science says/science tells us
>blank slate
>Sapir Whorf

The list goes on...

>> No.4816294

>Degenerate
>Identity
>Privilege
>Offensive

>> No.4816298

Nothing

>> No.4816306

>attempts to justify some ethical or political view via evolutionary psychology.

>> No.4816307
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4816307

>people still dismiss human nature

Heh.

>> No.4816313

>>4816307
But if you don't do that, how can you believe in communism?! Think, man!

>> No.4816319

>Privilege
>Racism
>Evolakid
>Sexism
>Patriarchy
>Da Jooz
>Da Free market
>Equality

>> No.4816323

>problematic

>> No.4816324

>>4816319
Regards,
Jew

>> No.4816330

>>4816265
both are real things actually

>> No.4816344

>>4816313
Are you trying to imply communism deny human nature to rationalize communism?

Because you'd be right.

>It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.

>> No.4816348

>>4816330
No, both are leftist interpretations of human nature

>> No.4816358

>>4816344
There is no such thing as a "proven" human nature.

>> No.4816363

>>4816260
or any other tripfag except sometimes, *sometimes*, feminister

>> No.4816365

>>4816363
Not me though, I'm grate

>> No.4816368

>Science tells us ...
Also
>quoting comedians as support for arguments

>> No.4816374

>>4816368
But George Carlin is all the anti-nationalists seem to have

>> No.4816375

>>4816358
The issue is that there isn't a concrete definition of human nature by which everyone stands. I'm sure, given enough thought, we could come up with a definition which includes all humans and is falsifiable.

:^)

>> No.4816378

>>4816375
Will to Power
Human nature prove'd

>> No.4816380

>>4816365
i've never seen you before

>> No.4816382

>>4816380
I usually don't trip unless I'm having a really shitty or a really good day.

>> No.4816384

>>4816374

Well there's Bill Hicks too, but he's just as bad.

>> No.4816390

>>4816378


id say its more like a will-to-right, people can find existential satisfaction even in things that are ultimately contrary to their status, health, thede interests, or et cetera (for example, anti-natalists).

>> No.4816397

>>4816384
Isn't "nationalists just haven't been as super duper cool as I have so they need to worry about how cool the white man is because blah blah" ripped off from Voltaire?

>> No.4816401

>>4816390
Looking like a "good person" is a way to gain power, m8.

>> No.4816411

>>4816401


yes, but that still does not account for the whole range of potential beliefs, including ones who do so earnestly destroy themselves.

>> No.4816421

>>4816411
It's the will to power turned inward.

>> No.4816428

>>4816411
>i'm more gooder than you are, lame-o! maybe you should go have "fun" with the other NERDS that don't even self-flagellate LMFAO! Smell ya l8r, FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG!

>> No.4816434

>>4816421


its straining the definition of 'power' in my view, reducing it to tautology (and therefore, uselessness), 'right' works much more elegantly.

>> No.4816441

>>4816001
>>"human nature"
That's perfectly reasonable. We don't know the extent to which human behavior is inherent, but it's more than not at all.

>> No.4816462

>>4816428


i know exactly what you mean here guy, thats why i termed it 'will-to-right'. people will say, do, or believe almost anything, *assuming they are convinced as to its veracity or righteousness*. its a will-to-right, because thats what is ultimately desired, that onto-theological magic bullet, the sense of ultimate truth, moral or otherwise, that satisfies this existential impulse. the language of power is unwieldy in this context.

>> No.4816480

>>4816001
>"reverse racism"

It's like
>"reverse interracial"
or
>"reverse sexism"

These things can't be "reverse" by definition, you fucking retard.

>> No.4816481

>>4816480
I can't tell if you're a SJW or stormfag.
Either way you're being deliberately obtuse. You know what he means.

>> No.4816485

>the emperor is naked
>music today sucks, i was born in the wrong generation
>modern art sucks, i was born in the wrong generation. any 4 year old could paint like [state-sponsored abstract expressionist]
>technology is ruining society
>contemporary literature sucks, harry potter, hunger games, twilight... in older days there were more quality authors and books

>> No.4816484

>>4816481
Dammit, I was actually directing "you fucking retard" towards people he was referring to who use the term, not to OP since I agree with him.

I shoudn't post when I'm drunk, sorry about that.

>> No.4816486

>avant-garde
attributed to non-avant-garde things

>> No.4816489

>perfectly reasonable "buzz words"
>rejecting things because they are common

>> No.4816494

>>4816462
Well, I guess that's one way to look at it, but I'm I guess a big Nietzsche guy and think it's more the might than the right that people are after. Words like "good" and "bad", I think, give you obstacles on your way to power, and they're defined by the people that are in power.
>>4816480
The tumblrpals would disagree with you

>> No.4816497

>>4816484
Oh fair enough. I still can't tell though. Do you think racism by nature is a two way street (and therefore can't be reversed), or that racism is a one way street (and therefore can't be reversed)?

>> No.4816502

>>4816497
there's a reason it's called "racism" and not "white-people-hating-black-people-ism". it's just discrimination based on race, period. anyone who says otherwise is abusing the term for an ulterior political motive.

>> No.4816504

>>4816497
I mean that racism is a global concept that means that someone considers or treats someone else differently or has prejudice because of the color of his skin. Racism, while in practice is directed towards non-whites, still doesn't mean that it's "reversed" when directed towards whites.

Basically this >>4816502

>> No.4816511

>>4816494


yeah, but the basic point in my objection is that where it breaks down is that this impulse can also potentially lead to loss of power, practically defined (and for it not to break down, we'ed have to *im*practically define 'power').

>> No.4816515

>>4816502
I agree, but I can never tell with people. The rapid redfinition of words is a problem with debate these days. nobody is arguing the same point.

The SJWs for instance hate the term Reverse Racism as much as I do, because they view it as well, I don't actually understand why they hate it, but they do.

>> No.4816521

>>4816504
>skin color
why do this

>> No.4816527

>>4816521
Because muh tribalism muh thede

>> No.4816530

>>4816504
>while in practice is directed towards non-whites,
I meant to say "in most cases"

>>4816521
Sorry, I drank too much and English isn't my first language so I still make stupid vocabulary/grammar mistakes often. I think I'm gonna go to bed now and wait for the room to stop spinning.

>> No.4816537

>>4816515
SJW's believe only "white people" can be "racist", and that when a "black man" "murders" and "rapes" a bunch of "white people" for shits and giggles because fuck whitey that it's not "racist" because white people have power.

What black people have is "prejudice".
And the rapid redefinition of words at the hands of left-wing intellectuals who claim they're working "for the people" definitely isn't what George Orwell was talking about in 1984, he was talking about how Hitler was bad.

>> No.4816545

>>4816515
They dislike it because they think it doesn't exist. At all.

>> No.4816549

>>4816527
But thede itself is antecedent to this CA CA
Though I'd rather not talk about it because pages might disappear off wikipedia and I do really mean to read more into this stuff.
Just know that the Reich ruled over many "thedes" m8

>> No.4816551

>deconstruction
>subjective

>> No.4816554

>Object
>Optimism

>> No.4816565

>problematic
>privilege
>patriarchy
>equity
>social justice
>transphobic
>slut shaming
>gendered
>hegemonic
>micro-aggression

I've tried to stick to ones that actually palpably make me realise you are a female undergrad with nothing interesting to say.

>> No.4816572

>>4816565
>problematic
i hate people who use that word

>> No.4816595

>>4816565
>social justice is concept invented by tumblr
>discussing social justice is now forbidden


hur

>> No.4816606

>>4816595
When did I say that?

I talked to 50 year old academics who mentioned social justice. And like I said,
>female undergrad with nothing interesting to say.

>> No.4816618

>>4816606
you said so when you made post #4816565 in the thread "ITT: Opinion discarded"

>> No.4816670

>"I never studied quantum mechanics, but ..."
>"philosophy didn't die in the 19th century"
>"logical positivism"
>"science is applied philosophy"
>"IQ is not a measure of intelligence"
>"scientists are dogmatic"

>> No.4816673

>>4816670
>I never studied quantum mechanics, but...

top kek

Until now I hadn't realized how often that line is used. I usually stop listening after that line because I know what they're going to say.

>> No.4816674

>>4816670
>>"IQ is not a measure of intelligence"
it isn't though you fucking tool

>> No.4816683

What the fuck is wrong with human nature

>> No.4816690

>>4816674
No, of course, your ability to be a dogmatic left-wing faggot is.

>> No.4816694

>>4816683
Doesn't work with muh precious Marxism

>> No.4816702

>>4816674
It is the definition used in cognitive science and clinical psychiatry. If your IQ is low, you are diagnosed with mental retardation. If your IQ is high, you are considered gifted and we can reasonable assume you will have it easier in academia than people with an average or below average IQ. Hundreds of studies have validated the usefulness of this definition of intelligence.

>> No.4816708

>>4816595
It's not forbidden. It's just retarded.

Social justice is bourgeois make-believe so they don't have to actually volunteer for something.

>> No.4816738

>>4816694
>I haven't read anything by Marx

>>4816683
Nobody can actually define it. Its such a nebulous concept and has to apply to every single person, and whatever you come up with is going to be your cultural bias projected onto humanity.

Its better to just ignore anyone who uses it as a foundation for an argument because its bound to be some far sweeping projection made by someone with an agenda.

>> No.4816745

>>4816702
>Hundreds of studies have validated the usefulness of this definition of intelligence.
just as hundreds have falsified it

>> No.4816784

>>4816141
>"social contract" isn't a useful term but privilage is
Its not like this thread is even going anywhere besides circlejerking and annoying /pol/ level conversation from all camps.

>>4816306
>attempts to justify any ethical or political views
bitch please, you'll just end up going in circles cuz its all pointless anyways.

>>4816489
>>rejecting things because they are common
>not doing this
Get a load of this pleb wanting to wallow in the dirt with all the other plebs.

>>4816537
Any attempt to define words is bad and wrong. why the fuck do people act like words are some sort of spooky platonic shadow ghosts with personalities that can just tap on your door and say "helloo" or some gay shit when in fact they're just noises we make because grunting and groaning is fun.

>>4816565
>slut shaming
On one hand, I often feel nausiated by the sexual attitudes of americans and black ppl, on the other, nothing annoys me more than when some queer starts calling a girl "slut" just because he doesn't really know her. The real problem is that we should be combating mental illness and the lack of virtue in the world instead of pretending that a person who sleeps with random strangers or fucks a different person every week is anything other than someone with a bad childhood and glaringly obvious mental/sexual/emotional problems.Same thing with trans ppl, they aren't bad or good or anything but they obviously have mental problems and should be treated as such.

>> No.4816800

>>4816745
Find me one study that does not find a correlation between IQ and income or IQ and educational attainment and I will fucking cut my balls off and stream it.

>> No.4817070

>>4816537
"Reverse racism!" and 1984 in one post. That was fantastic.

>> No.4817083

>>4817070
Oh, you don't like George Orwell.

>> No.4817241

>>4816745
>>4816800
IQ has never been falsified but it is widely acknowledged that it only measures 3 of the 7 types of intelligent, because they are the only ones that are testable.

>> No.4817255

>OP

>> No.4817262

>>4816800
It's not even that, it's that the concept of g and IQ is largely a statistical anomaly and is largely useless in the field of psychology.

http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/523.html
http://www.gifted.uconn.edu/siegle/research/Correlation/Intelligence.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9463078
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19946599

>> No.4817302

>cis
>queer
>lgbt community
>privilege
>atheist
>feminist
>oppression
>triggers
>eating disorder
>"communism works on paper"
>marxist
>anarchist
>national socialist

>> No.4817463

>>4816565
>slut shaming
There's something about that phrase that just triggers this neanderthal-like edginess in me, it honestly scares me a little. I'm not what you'd call conservative on pretty much any facet of sexuality, but this just seems like the worst kind of relativism.

>> No.4817471

>>4816031
Tabula rasa was the basis of An Essay Concerning Human Understanding which was basically the philosophy of the American Revolution; it is the work which coined entitlement to "the pursuit of happiness" as the basis of a free society.

>> No.4817505

>>4816784
>sexual attitudes of americans and black ppl
>black ppl

Uh, how do you mean?

>> No.4817544

>>4817463
>but this just seems like the worst kind of relativism.

Care to explain how allowing people conduct their own sexual activities without immediately attributing behaviors you dislike to weakness of character is the worst kind of relativism? The concept of sluttiness (in the pejorative sense) is puritanical, and in my experience is deployed by people (girls included) who are sexually insecure.

>> No.4817566

>>4817471
Hey Feminister

>> No.4817580

>objective
Really there's no context in which this is acceptable because the only fields in which it's true are ones in which there're never a reason to even mention it.

>> No.4817581

Liberal or incorrect use of the words: thus and relative.

>> No.4817584

>>4817566
My list:
>racist
Uh..
I'll argue with anyone so long as they're marginally intelligent to be honest.
>non-aggression principle
was a good one though, and very interesting. It offers a hint into how the mind works, the programming that goes into everything. The non-aggression principle is the bible's 10 Commandments, salvaged from an old wreck of a belief. That's how people can suggest it and keep a straight face - because it's extremely basic in them.

>> No.4817592

>>4816390
This fucker again.

>> No.4817594

>pure
>purity
>family values
>old-fashioned
>traditional
>purist
>preserving traditional values
>authorial intent
>original intent

>> No.4817601

>>4817594
>the founders intended...

>> No.4817609

>>4816462
I like it.

>> No.4817610

>>4817601
This is bullshit because back when the founders were alive it's not like constitutional disputes could be settled by just asking them.

>> No.4817648
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4817648

>identity politics

>globalism

>Communism/Bolshevism

>National Socialism

>Democracy in general

>feminists / men's rights

>privilege

>the term racism

>I deserve ___ from the government

>America

>disinformation

>not understanding basic symbolism and where terms come from such as Maritime law in the English language

>belief systems http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LcIHwanRqs

>geopolitics and European integration

>people who deny human nature i.e. tribal system and hierarchy

>blanket racism (this goes for Talmudic Jews as well)

>"I am blind to race"

>melting pot theory

>>4816670

>"IQ is not a measure of intelligence"

I have an intense disdain for people who say this.