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I'm politically agnostic in a way because I feel I simply haven't done enough research to make a judgement on my political stance. In fact, I feel few people out there have, which is why it confuses me that people can be so convinced of whatever political stance they have chosen.

Of course, one of the largest components of a political philosophy is the economic system. I've never really decided if I like private property or not, because I don't even know what questions to ask myself in determining whether it's good or not.

So, I'd like some texts on capitalism and socialism. So far, I'm thinking:

>Capitalism
Ludwig von Mises
Adam Smith
Milton Freidman

I've always been suspicious of capitalism without a social safety net, but I'm willing to read some libertarian texts to see what they have to say.

>Socialism
Marx
Proudhon

Only Marx I've read is the Manifesto. It didn't seem to explain much to me. For example, if nobody is doing "involuntary labor" and everybody is free to only do the work and activities they feel like doing, where do they get the resources to do these things? Say I want to use my non-wage-slavery-occupied time to write a poem. Where the fuck do I get the paper from if nobody's being forced to manufacture it in some bourgeoisie factory? Somebody who just really likes making paper because it makes him or her happy even though he or she isn't getting paid? During the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, are people forced to work by the proletariat? When we reach Communism, where does all our stuff come from? Did we produce infinite products during the dictatorship so that we have enough to last all of forever when we are ready for Communism?

What should I read to understand this stuff?

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For socialism try
Prussianism and Socialism by Oswald Spengler
Forth Political Turning by Alexander Dugin

General government knowledge
The Republic by Plat
Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes
Imperium by Ulick Varange

Capitalism
Economics in one lesson by Henry Hazlett
General Theory by John Maynard Kaynes

>> No.4785533

>>4785498
>Only Marx I've read is the Manifesto. It didn't seem to explain much to me.

Because you read the wrong stuff first:

Theses on Feuerbach
Critique of Gotha Programme
Socialism: Utopian and Scientific
Wages Price and Profit

These are the 4 basic Marxist texts. Manifesto is a steaming turd written on spec.

>For example, if nobody is doing "involuntary labor" and everybody is free to only do the work and activities they feel like doing, where do they get the resources to do these things?

Well, labour as such would have been abolished. But from prior human voluntary activity.

>Say I want to use my non-wage-slavery-occupied time to write a poem. Where the fuck do I get the paper from if nobody's being forced to manufacture it in some bourgeoisie factory?

From people manufacturing it by choice in a worker controlled factory that is busy eliminating the factory and the worker.

>Somebody who just really likes making paper because it makes him or her happy even though he or she isn't getting paid?

That's where most your operating system comes from. And most of your entertainment. Right now.

>During the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, are people forced to work by the proletariat?

During the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, are the bourgeoisie forced into productive activity?

>When we reach Communism, where does all our stuff come from?

People who make stuff for fun.

>Did we produce infinite products during the dictatorship so that we have enough to last all of forever when we are ready for Communism?

No, but our productive capacity is effectively infinite, being limited by very very loose technical relations of production, which are coaligned with social relations of production based on an absence of property.

Seriously, read the texts I listed above.

Also read some fucking Keynes. Not enough people read enough Keynes.