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Books on this list. Let's talk about them.

>> No.475141

FFFFFF............

>> No.475143

I find it funny that they put Watchmen on the list, then put it as #10 on their top comic books list.

>> No.475156

How is it best of All-Time if the list only covers 1923 and up?

>> No.475162

>>475156

All of "Time"

that is, "Time Magazine"

As in, "All of the books during the time that Time has existed"

>> No.475163

The Dark Knight Returns? ::blech::

>> No.475167

>>475162
Aww, that's adorable and solipsistic.

>> No.475170

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>> No.475172

link pl0x

>> No.475182

>>475172
Sure, here you go:
www.google.com

>> No.475183
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http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1951793,00.html

>no twilight no harry potter

>> No.475188

>>475182
www.faggot.com

>> No.475195

>>475188
Your mother didnt say that when I gaped open her asshole with a 30" dildo last night .com

>> No.475194

>>475162
>implying time magazine hasn't existed since 2005

>> No.475198

>>475143
You have to make concessions when you want 100 novels for under 100 years.

Still doesn't change that Watchmen isn't special outside a comic book store.

>> No.475200

A - B
The Adventures of Augie March (1953), by Saul Bellow
All the King's Men (1946), by Robert Penn Warren
American Pastoral (1997), by Philip Roth
An American Tragedy (1925), by Theodore Dreiser
Animal Farm (1946), by George Orwell
Appointment in Samarra (1934), by John O'Hara
Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret (1970), by Judy Blume
The Assistant (1957), by Bernard Malamud
At Swim-Two-Birds (1938), by Flann O'Brien
Atonement (2002), by Ian McEwan
Beloved (1987), by Toni Morrison
The Berlin Stories (1946), by Christopher Isherwood
The Big Sleep (1939), by Raymond Chandler
The Blind Assassin (2000), by Margaret Atwood
Blood Meridian (1986), by Cormac McCarthy
Brideshead Revisited (1946), by Evelyn Waugh
The Bridge of San Luis Rey (1927), by Thornton Wilder
C - D
Call It Sleep (1935), by Henry Roth
Catch-22 (1961), by Joseph Heller
The Catcher in the Rye (1951), by J.D. Salinger
A Clockwork Orange (1963), by Anthony Burgess
The Confessions of Nat Turner (1967), by William Styron
The Corrections (2001), by Jonathan Franzen
The Crying of Lot 49 (1966), by Thomas Pynchon
A Dance to the Music of Time (1951), by Anthony Powell
The Day of the Locust (1939), by Nathanael West
Death Comes for the Archbishop (1927), by Willa Cather
A Death in the Family (1958), by James Agee
The Death of the Heart (1958), by Elizabeth Bowen
Deliverance (1970), by James Dickey
Dog Soldiers (1974), by Robert Stone
F - G
Falconer (1977), by John Cheever
The French Lieutenant's Woman (1969), by John Fowles
The Golden Notebook (1962), by Doris Lessing
Go Tell it on the Mountain (1953), by James Baldwin
Gone With the Wind (1936), by Margaret Mitchell
The Grapes of Wrath (1939), by John Steinbeck
Gravity's Rainbow (1973), by Thomas Pynchon
The Great Gatsby (1925), by F. Scott Fitzgerald

>> No.475201

>>475194

>implying they made the list this year

>>475198

What are you even talking about

>> No.475202

H - I
A Handful of Dust (1934), by Evelyn Waugh
The Heart is A Lonely Hunter (1940), by Carson McCullers
The Heart of the Matter (1948), by Graham Greene
Herzog (1964), by Saul Bellow
Housekeeping (1981), by Marilynne Robinson
A House for Mr. Biswas (1962), by V.S. Naipaul
I, Claudius (1934), by Robert Graves
Infinite Jest (1996), by David Foster Wallace
Invisible Man (1952), by Ralph Ellison
L - N
Light in August (1932), by William Faulkner
The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe (1950), by C.S. Lewis
Lolita (1955), by Vladimir Nabokov
Lord of the Flies (1955), by William Golding
The Lord of the Rings (1954), by J.R.R. Tolkien
Loving (1945), by Henry Green
Lucky Jim (1954), by Kingsley Amis
The Man Who Loved Children (1940), by Christina Stead
Midnight's Children (1981), by Salman Rushdie
Money (1984), by Martin Amis
The Moviegoer (1961), by Walker Percy
Mrs. Dalloway (1925), by Virginia Woolf
Naked Lunch (1959), by William Burroughs
Native Son (1940), by Richard Wright
Neuromancer (1984), by William Gibson
Never Let Me Go (2005), by Kazuo Ishiguro
1984 (1948), by George Orwell

>> No.475205

>Include watchmen, Ignore Sci-Fi

>> No.475206

O - R
On the Road (1957), by Jack Kerouac
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1962), by Ken Kesey
The Painted Bird (1965), by Jerzy Kosinski
Pale Fire (1962), by Vladimir Nabokov
A Passage to India (1924), by E.M. Forster
Play It As It Lays (1970), by Joan Didion
Portnoy's Complaint (1969), by Philip Roth
Possession (1990), by A.S. Byatt
The Power and the Glory (1939), by Graham Greene
The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie (1961), by Muriel Spark
Rabbit, Run (1960), by John Updike
Ragtime (1975), by E.L. Doctorow
The Recognitions (1955), by William Gaddis
Red Harvest (1929), by Dashiell Hammett
Revolutionary Road (1961), by Richard Yates
S - T
The Sheltering Sky (1949), by Paul Bowles
Slaughterhouse Five (1969), by Kurt Vonnegut
Snow Crash (1992), by Neal Stephenson
The Sot-Weed Factor (1960), by John Barth
The Sound and the Fury (1929), by William Faulkner
The Sportswriter (1986), by Richard Ford
The Spy Who Came in From the Cold (1964), by John le Carre
The Sun Also Rises (1926), by Ernest Hemingway
Their Eyes Were Watching God (1937), by Zora Neale Hurston
Things Fall Apart (1959), by Chinua Achebe
To Kill a Mockingbird (1960), by Harper Lee
To the Lighthouse (1927), by Virginia Woolf
Tropic of Cancer (1934), by Henry Miller

>> No.475208

U - W
Ubik (1969), by Philip K. Dick
Under the Net (1954), by Iris Murdoch
Under the Volcano (1947), by Malcolm Lowry
Watchmen (1986), by Alan Moore & Dave Gibbons
White Noise (1985), by Don DeLillo
White Teeth (2000), by Zadie Smith
Wide Sargasso Sea (1966), by Jean Rhys
All-TIME Graphic Novels
Berlin: City of Stones (2000), by Jason Lutes
Blankets (2003), by Craig Thompson
Bone (2004), by Jeff Smith
The Boulevard of Broken Dreams (2002), by Kim Deitch
The Dark Knight Returns (1986), by Frank Miller
David Boring (2000), by Daniel Clowes
Ed the Happy Clown (1989), by Chester Brown
Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Kid on Earth (2000), by Chris Ware
Palomar: The Heartbreak Soup Stories (2003), by Gilbert Hernandez
Watchmen (1986), by Alan Moore & Dave Gibbons

>> No.475214

>>475205
>implying sci-fi is good literature

>> No.475218

>>475205
PKD got a nod at least.

>> No.475221

>>475214
>ignoring they put a fucking comic book on the list

>> No.475237
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>>475214
>implying science fiction isn't good literature

>>475221
>implying a comic can't be literature

>> No.475238

>we picked 1923--when TIME began publishing--as our starting point.
>implying that they didn't pick 1923 as to avoid deciding what to do with Ulysses

>> No.475240

>>475214

PKD is so much more than sci fi

>> No.475244

>pynchon, 2
>joyce, 0

>i'mokaywiththis.jpg

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>Wide Sargasso Sea

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>>475244
All of James Joyce's major works were published before 1923 (Ulysses-1922, Portrait-1916, Dubliners-1914)

>> No.475248

>>475208
>Watchmen on the list twice

Must be real good.

>> No.475251

>>475237

Much in the way subtitled films or The Treachery of Images are not literature, comic books are not either.

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>>475143
SEE
>>475248

>> No.475263

Fuck I've only read 20 of these. And most of those were the give me / funny ones.

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>>475206
>The Painted Bird (1965), by Jerzy Kosinski

I've been meaning to read this. I read a small excerpt of it and it seemed really nice. But I hear it has some pretty severe plagiarism accusations against it.

>>475245
I share your sentiments. God, how could a bit of prequel fanfiction be considered one of the best books of the century? If that author's so great, how about she comes up with some original characters instead of piggybacking off of the success of Charlotte Bronte?

Fucking women authors.

>> No.475275

>no Fahrenheit 451
>no The Giver
feels good man
>no Flowers for Algernon
i'm ok with this, but then it's not that much worse than A Clockwork Orange. Except stylistically wise, maybe. Yeah, that's what earns Burgess his spot, I think.

>> No.475282

>>475275
>also, no I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings
I'm even more ok with this.

>> No.475293

>One title comes to mind when I am asked what is the greatest book ever written: The Fountainhead, by Ayn Rand. It celebrates individuality in the face of societal pressures to constantly comform and comply. Not only is it a great book, but the philosophy running through this novel is one that should be brought forth in schools around the world.
Dina Evanson
Syosset NY

>> No.475295

>>475293

Fuck you Dina

>> No.475303

>>475205
dunno, there's neuromancer and snow crash. Those count as sci-fi, right?
>Dune not in the list
oh, I see. What an overlook. I don't really care about there not being any Asimov, but Dune's a classic, rightfully so.

>> No.475318

>>475295

I'll just leave this here.

Dina Evanson-Whorlow
12 Alderwood Ln
Syosset, NY 11791-4710
(516) 921-3177

>> No.475331

>>475237 >implying a comic can't be literature

Literature is not a state of quality, you idiotic manchild. Comic books are their own medium in the same way film and music are their own mediums. Stop trying to piggyback great authors because you think your comic books are better than /co/'s comic books.

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>>vonnegut, moore, atwood
I know it's Time Magazine, but seriously?

>> No.475348

>>475331

>Doesn't understand that text is text.
>Puts on monocle before calling someone an "idiotic manchild."
>umad.jpg

>> No.475352

>>475348

>text is text

>>475251

>> No.475357

>>475347
Here is a woman so terrified of sf-cooties that she'll happily
redefine the entire genre for no other reason than to exclude herself
from it. Of her latest novel—a near-future dystopia detailing
baseline-Humanity's replacement by a genetically-engineered
daughter species—she has said: "Oryx and Crake is not science
fiction. Science fiction is when you have chemicals and rockets."
It was not an isolated slip. Atwood has also characterised science
fiction as the stuff that involves "monsters and spaceships", and
"Beam me up, Scotty".
Atwood claims to write something entirely different:
speculative fiction, she calls it, the difference being that it is based
on rigorously-researched science, extrapolating real technological
and social trends into the future (as opposed to that escapist
nonsense about fictitious things like chemicals and rockets,
presumably). The irony, of course, is that Atwood's very
explanation as to why she doesn't write science fiction not only
places Oryx and Crake squarely in the science fiction realm, but at
the least respectable end of that realm—the hard, extrapolative
depths of the deep infrared

>> No.475360

>>475357
Whenever Atwood makes such remarks—she trotted out the same horseshit for The Handmaid's Tale back in the eighties—I suffer mixed reactions. Sheer dumbfounded awe, for one—that this bloody tourist could blow into town and presume to lecture the world on the geography of the ghetto, blithely contradicting generations of real geographers who've spent their whole lives there. It stirs something violent in me. And yet, above the gut I just can't believe that Atwood could possibly be that stupid. She can tell Wyndham from Gibson, she reads them both. She's certainly not an idiot. She may not even be a liar. But I suspect that a terrible truth lurks in the back of her mind, a dark, commonsensical thing barely repressed by literary peer pressure and the rearguard efforts of marketing gurus. She can feel it deep in the id, gnawing towards the light; should it ever escape the very world of OprahLit would fall, the peaceful sanctimony of its inhabitants laid forever waste.

>> No.475361

>>475357
Is this from a review or is this anon speaking?

>> No.475366

>>475361
nevermind looked it up.

>> No.475367

>>475360
Here is the unbearable truth that Margaret Atwood struggles so heroically to deny: science fiction has become more relevant than "Literature".
It could hardly be otherwise. Here in the real world, people run software with their brainwaves. Robot dogs are passé. Teleportation is a fact. It has become routine to genetically cross goats with spiders, fish with tomatoes. Every week seems to herald the arrival of some new and virulent plague. What has stronger resonance in such a world: a story about the ramifications of human cloning, or a memoir about growing up poor in post-WWII Ireland?
Atwood must know this, on some level. She knows she can't stay relevant by ignoring world-changing events. She knows that many of those events are rooted in science and technology, so her fiction must deal with science. She knows, in other words, that she has to write science fiction.

>> No.475371

The only people I like talking about genre fiction in broad terms are Michael Chabon and Jonathan Lethem. That's to say I prefer minimalisation of the importance of "genre" in the first place. Atwood comes off as an amateur here.

>> No.475373

It's hardly as described, the vast majority of the authors are anglo speaking and/or caucasian.

Top 100 All-Time Novels published in English.

Fixed.

>> No.475374

>>475367

>science fiction has become more relevant than "Literature"

This is what neckbeards actually believe.

>> No.475376

>>475373

ALL TIME 100 Novels
TIME critics Lev Grossman and Richard Lacayo pick the 100 best English-Language novels from 1923 to the present

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>>475373
Incoming shitstorm.

>> No.475383 [DELETED] 

>Tolkien
>No Rosa
>No Cortazar
>No Calvino
>No Saramago
>trollface.jpg

>> No.475384 [DELETED] 

>>475383


>>475376

>> No.475387

If any book published between 1923 and 2005 did not make the list, it is not canon and therefore not literature.

>> No.475619

>>475367

Not all fiction that includes science is "science fiction."

>> No.475666

>>475619
Do not get caught up in labels.

>> No.475686

>>475619

I do not know why scifi gets such a shitty reputation. It is not as if the genre is without merit or indefensible.

>> No.475718

>>475686

it's because people who read scifi read scifi, they don't read good scifi only. This means that shitty scify gets published and bought by readers, which in turn devalues the entire category.

Many genres suffer from this.

>> No.475719

>>475718
>scify

FUCKING SYFY! CORRUPT ME ALL THE WAY OR NOT AT FUCKING ALL

>> No.475740

>>475718
>Many genres suffer from this.

Yes but it seems that no other genre, save maybe fantasy, gets as much shit for their bad writers.

>> No.475745

>>475718
I started reading bad sci-fi, (starwars shit) at a young age but now I avoid it like aids. But there is plenty of good work out there.

I also have to say that it is hard to take sci-fi books seriously when they have such amazingly shitty cover art.

>> No.475754

>>475740

Romance gets more shit.

Not that it doesn't deserve it, but still.

>> No.475766

>>475754
>implying that romance novels are literature.

>> No.475794

>>475766
>implying there aren't romance novels in the list OP cited

>> No.475802

>>475766
>HURRR "LITERATURE" IS LIKE A BADGE I CAN WEAR TO SHOW EVERYONE HOW SMART I AM

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>>475331
>He doesn't know the definition of literature

>> No.475963

Yeah, I've read a few books on this list. Pretty good list by all accounts, maybe some of the books don't deserve to be on there -- I'm sure there's many fans that don't think Ubik is Philip K. Dick's best book, but all in all it's an encompassing list of good, thought-provoking fiction. It also helps introduce the less educated, such as me, to authors I wouldn't know otherwise.

>> No.475966

>>475802
huh? why else would you be here then?

>> No.476297

>>475202

>1984
>between the Ns and the Os

>whatthefuckamireading.jpg

>> No.476306

>>476297

The official title is "Nineteen Eighty-Four".

>> No.476314

Literature according to Merriam-Websters:

"3 a (1) : writings in prose or verse; especially : writings having excellence of form or expression and expressing ideas of permanent or universal interest"

Just for you, shit goblins.

Comic books are not literature. They are not prose or verse. They are comic books.

They might be good they might have merit they might be the best damn thing ever put on a piece of paper ever but they're not literature.

Fucking deal with it.