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4721198 No.4721198 [Reply] [Original]

Hey son, can a determinist believe in existentialism
Or is any choice no matter how restricted still a calculated one

>> No.4721205

Why are you doing philosophy, dad

you're black

>> No.4721206

>can a determinist believe in existentialism[?]
.
YES, IF HE IS A "COMPATIBILIST".

ALSO: ONE DOES NOT "BELIEVE" IN "EXISTENTIALISM"; ONE IS AN "EXISTENTIALIST", OR HOLDS "EXISTENTIALIST" VALUES.

>> No.4721208

>>4721206
It's the same as believing in existentialism, as in, believing the movement has merit and the philosophy is sensical

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4721213

>Hey dad, wanna go toss around the pigskin?

>Oh ... you're reading your Derrida.
>Well, that's OK dad, I completely understand if you don't want to, I don't mind ...

>> No.4721214

>>4721208

"BELIEF" IS NOT A FACTOR IN WHETHER ONE ADHERES TO A CERTAIN PHILOSOPHICAL SYSTEM.

>> No.4721243

>>4721198
>is any choice no matter how restricted still a calculated one
If you think this is an implication of determinism then you are wrong.

>> No.4721245

>>4721213
>tfw if you replace "dad" with "son" you have an accurate portrayal of my childhood, paternal disappointment and all

>> No.4721246

>>4721243
Calculated by fate :)

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4721254

>>4721206
>mfw you post this shit [http://ryzhknd.tumblr.com/post/62801335799/01-oct-2013-tonight-i-woke-elated-which] on your tumblr and still expect to be taken seriously
>inb4 it was too deep for me

>> No.4721258

>>4721246
Define "fate" without supposing the future exists

>> No.4721261

>>4721198
I am, i think.
purpose and choice does not affect each other in my opinion.

>> No.4721266

>>4721258


>define "pyramid" without supposing rocks exist

>> No.4721267

>>4721254

DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT?

>> No.4721277

>>4721246
You mean "caused"? If you mean caused then yes, it is an implication. But I still don't get why this is a problem for existentialism, since existence predating essence doesn't imply anything like the possibility of stuff happening without a cause (actually, I would say it's the other way around: existentialism implies determinism).

>> No.4721281

>>4721277
Existentialism implies the possibilities of your own fate are within your hands, determinism implies it isn't and that every decision is only very partially one made by yourself

>> No.4721287

>>4721281
>Existentialism implies the possibilities of your own fate are within your hands,
More exactly, it implies the meaning of your life being a matter of your choices without it being predetermined by some extra-causal world essence.
>determinism implies it isn't
No, determinism implies nothing happens without it having a cause (e.g. extra-causal world essences).
>and that every decision is only very partially one made by yourself
Wrong. Every decision you make is done by you, but you are in the causal world, so every decision you make has a cause and there's no magic involved.