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Can anyone recommend me a good book on the history of Yugoslavia?
Suggestions that cover its whole history, the wars or just small parts of its history would all be greatly appreciated

>> No.4697699

Im also interested.

Bump

>> No.4697722

More like Yuk-oslavia

>> No.4697756

>>4697699
I might just try one of the /ex-yu/ threads on /int/

>> No.4697764

>be minding own business in 1900s
>suddenly Italy strikes, invading Albania
>Germany invades too
>woe is me, suddenly a civil war
>get completely shat on by axis powers for the next four years
>think the horror is over
>just when the century is about to end America bombs the Serbs

Murica

>> No.4697769

I like John Irvings Set Free The Bears! which has quite a lengthy portion of it set in WW2 era Yugoslavia. It's a bit crude and picaresque, but definitely the saving grace of the book.

>> No.4697866

>>4697764

>implying serbia isnt the bad guy

>> No.4697937

>>4697866
>Implying Serbia ins't the Byronic anti-hero of the Balkans that fought off Austrian oppression

>> No.4697943

>>4697866
>implying both Albanians and Serbians weren't equally hostile

RT published a report on it today

>> No.4697971

>>4697943
>RT published a report on it today
Do you not see what's wrong here or is this just bait?

>> No.4697990

>>4697971
It's not like RT is even taking sides, they're merely expressing that both sides of the conflict were prone to violent hostilities at that point and only one side, the Albanians, were accepting of US military intervention.

It's not like we frequently do not bomb the middle east, just a few months ago we killed some odd dozen civilians on holiday in Yemen.

>> No.4698068

How was the relationship between serbia and the russian empire? And afterwards after the revolution, between USSR and Serbia/Yugoslavia?

>> No.4698087

>>4698068
Before the revolution Russia was essentially a protector of Serbia and looked to protect the rights of slavs and orthodox Christians across Europe. Russia joined WW1 to protect Serbia from Germany and Austria

>> No.4698498

>>4698087

Why the relationship with Serbia? Why not another southern slav nation? How did it come about? I believe they're still pretty close.

>> No.4698530

>>4697943
>implying the Romanians turning their insanity inwards isn't where it all went the most wrong
>implying we should goad the Bulgarians into taking the middle east back

>> No.4698561

Not OP, but i'm also interested. Also any works of fiction that give historical perspective on the conflicts these people have had with each other and other peoples as would be appreciated as well.

>> No.4698573

I have the perfect book for you guys: Balkan Ghosts.

It's about half travel writing, half history, but it's extremely good at giving perspective of the region. I read it this summer while traveling through the countries. Fantastic read.

http://www.amazon.com/Balkan-Ghosts-Journey-Through-History/dp/0312424930

>> No.4698574

>>4698498
In 1914 I think Serbia was one of the few independent Slavic nations, since much of the Balkans was under the control or influence of the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian empires and also tended to be quite aggressive and therefore needed protect from Russia. It was Serbia that organized the assassination of Franz Ferdinand that sparked WW1. They had a relationship just due to both being Slavic and having the orthodox church I believe, I'm no expect though, hence why I'm looking for a good history on it.

>> No.4698583

>>4698573
This looks promising, thank you

>> No.4698921

>>4698498
You bring up a good point. As a matter of fact, Russia alternated its support between Serbia and Bulgaria from the late 19th century to WWI. They were the two most powerful regional players in the region. But for a complex variety of political (Balkan Wars in 1911-12), economic (Austrian trade concessions to Serbia and Bulgaria at varying times) and personal posturing (e.g. the Russian foreign minister to Serbia up to 1914 lobbied hard for a Serbian over Bulgarian policy) Russian happened to be aligned more closely before WWI. If things had taken only a slightly different course, Bulgaria and Serbia may have ended up on different sides.

>> No.4698925

>>4698921
>foreign minister
ambassador*

>> No.4699066

Bulgaria is arguably the oldest slav nation, being founded by the turkic bulgars, who dominated the local slav population, they later were slavicised and from the 900s forward the king and aristrocracy were slavs. This all happens in conflict with the Eastern Roman Empire, look up the 1st and 2nd bulgarian empires.

Where do the slav macedonians come from? Bulgarians say theyre just renegade bulgarians, and the bulgarians claim that their macedonians and that Alexsnder the Great was macedonian (as in slavic macedonian), which is a ridiculous claim, any knowledgeable person knows this.

What is the deal with FYROM? And Montenegro? They seem to be the most obscure and irrelevant of the balkan states, shoutouts to albania also. Theyre not slavic, theyre not greek, isolated and surrounded by neighbours with nothing in common.

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>>4698573
That's the one I was trying to think of!

It's another travel book?

>> No.4699086

tfw yugolsav but dont know shit about it or its lit

>> No.4699087

>>4699066

Macedonians claim theyre macedonians*

Theyre*

>> No.4699127

>>4699077
Like I said, about half is his travels through the Balkans during the 90s and the rest is history and background.

He loves that book and talks about it a lot.

>> No.4699147

>>4697035
lol @ tropical parrot

>> No.4699179

>>4699066
FYROM is a weird South Slavic mix and has no real identity of it's own. So one was created for it.

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4699234

>>4699179
>>4699066

>> No.4699384

>>4698921
>Bulgaria and Serbia may have ended up on different sides

You mean Russia/Serbia? Bulgaria and Serbia WERE on different sides in the war...

>> No.4699385

>>4699384
Oops, that was ambiguous. I mean to say that Serbia may have ended up fighting with the central powers while Bulgaria may have ended up fighting for the Entent

>> No.4699387

>>4698921
>regional players in the region
regional players in the Balkans*

>> No.4699432

How similar are russian and serbian? Is it like spanish and portuguese?

>> No.4699458

>>4699432
More Spanish and Italian

>> No.4699477

>>4699432
Unlike Spanish and Portuguese, Russian and Serbian aren't even partially mutually intelligible.

>> No.4699842

I'd like something like this as well.

This seems a better place to ask than making a new thread, but what's some quality literature from the region? I'd prefer Croatian, but anything goes.