/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4645587]

I'm looking for books on existentialism, more dark better.

[Anonymous No.4645588]

Anti-natalism is so retarded.

[Anonymous No.4645597]

Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Cioran, Ligotti, Lovecraft, Negarestani, Land, Bataille, Marquis de Sade, Camus, Kafka

[Anonymous No.4645599]

>>4645588
How so? They suggest a straightforward solution to most of world's problems

[Anonymous No.4645601]

>>4645587
Ligotti
Nietzsche
the list goes on

le dusty may-may sun

[Anonymous No.4645604]

>>4645587
>more dark better

[Anonymous No.4645617]

>>4645597
Not trolling but thanks.

[Anonymous No.4645619]

>>4645599
Namely:
>So kill yourself faggot
>Yes we're objectively better than squirrels
>qq more
>Implying this isn't tl;dr whining about tfw no gf
>So just kill yourself
>The earth has killed 99% of everything that's ever lived, it will be okay

It's just dressed up in poetic shit, that doesn't make it not retarded whining.

[Anonymous No.4645625]

>>4645588
It's totally subjective. It all hinges on whether you enjoy life or not

[Anonymous No.4645627]

>>4645619
But you're the only one who's whining, bby :)

I daresay you're even mad :D

[Anonymous No.4645631]

>>4645627
>Can't give a reason why anti-natalism isn't retarded
>LELUMADSHITPOSTXD

Okay I'm glad we can both admit I'm right and move on.

[Anonymous No.4645632]

>>4645587
>existentialism

gross

[Anonymous No.4645636]

>>4645625
So kill yourself faggot. Don't vote and bitch like the retarded miserable piece of annoying shit you are.

[Anonymous No.4645638]

>>4645636
I'm not an anti-natalist, you douche. That's just the way I see their position.

[Anonymous No.4645640]

>>4645619
>>4645632
I'm open to suggestions about anti-existentialism too.

[Anonymous No.4645648]

>>4645619
Killing one's self is logical. And no we are not objectively better than squirrels. In many ways, we are worse. However, I would suggest that mankind defer mass suicide until we come up with sufficient technological means to destroy the entire universe along with us. Thus we can complete the ultimate rebellion against God.

[Anonymous No.4645652]

>>4645648
But what's the point of rebellion if it doesn't get you laid?

[Anonymous No.4645672]

>>4645652
The desire for orgasm is nothing more than the desire for annihilation. To lose one's self in passion and to discover the true essence of being in the absence of self. Le petit mort. One can also achieve similar results through polydrug abuse (which often leads to sex). There is a difference between believing nothing is the meaning of life and believing the nothing is meaning in life. I choose the latter. Those who choose the former are only fools to their own programming. But in the end, we'll all end up in the same place.

[Anonymous No.4645680]

>>4645631
Cool down, man, there's no reason to be such a MADs Mikkelsen.

You're the one making the claim (and in a very whiny voice, I should add) that anti-natalism is retarded, so the burden of proof is on you, amigo. In the interests of a mutually beneficial dialogue, how about you start putting forth some actual evidence?

Peace be with you, buddy :)

[Anonymous No.4645690]

>>4645619
>faggot
Reported for homophobia

Enjoy your ban

[Anonymous No.4645694]

>>4645672
I don't even know where to begin

[Anonymous No.4645789]

>>4645619
Edgy

[Anonymous No.4645813]

>>4645597
>de Sade
kek why

[Anonymous No.4645969]

>>4645813
bump

[Anonymous No.4645987]

>>4645813
de sade is one of those edgy fucks that believes in the ultimate freedom of the nihil

[Anonymous No.4646020]

>>4645648


>do we embrace life affirming virtue in order to more effectively destroy life?

lel, antinatalists.

[Anonymous No.4646048]

>>4646020
cool straw man brah. try actually refuting anti-natalism

[Anonymous No.4646050]

>>4646048
I did it immediately in this very thread.

[Anonymous No.4646065]

>>4646048


thats literally what the guy said guy.

of course its the natural consequence of taking anti-natalism to its (il)logical conclusion. do you kill yourself, reneging responsibility towards all the other 'suffering' life (thus contradicting anti-natalism), or do you contradict anti-natalism inorder to more effectively destroy the universe at some indeterminate point in the future?

[Anonymous No.4646104]

>>4645648

>Killing one's self is logical.

So do it.

No, seriously. Do it.

Prove that you have the nerve to follow through on what you truthfully consider to be the most logical course of action.

If not then sit the fuck down and realize that you are an awkwardly pontificating hypocrite who has no conviction in what he is even saying.

[Anonymous No.4646105]

>>4646050
>>4646065
>i'll take strawmen for 900 alex

[Anonymous No.4646108]

>>4646104
dat edge

[Anonymous No.4646114]

>>4646104
>implying that our inability to best our biological programming and will to survival trumps the cold, hard logic of antinatalism and void worship
This is why non-pessimistic philosophy is such a joke.

[Anonymous No.4646123]

>>4646105
>Pointing out the logical fallacies and basic arguments is strawmanning
>Being that guy who has no point but is willing to poorly call out fallacies like it means anything

Go kill yourself or shut up.

[Anonymous No.4646127]

>>4646114


>cold hard logic

>implying its not, quite explicitly, based on feels and validation.

[Anonymous No.4646130]

>>4646108

It isn't edge. It's simply getting this anon to see how hypocritical he is being on a fundamental level.

He is so ridiculously edgy that responding to him alone makes one seem edgy byproxy.

These are the kind of posters we're dealing with here.

[Anonymous No.4646132]

>>4646108
>Hurrr fucking durrr edgy xDDDD I come to 4chan and call everything edgy
>Implying anti-natalism isn't the edgiest philosophy there is

You're a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.4646141]

>>4646123
see
>>4646108

Also
>I-I'm not strawmanning!
kek

[Anonymous No.4646145]

>>4646141
>I-I don't have a point!

I notice you're still alive ;^)

[Anonymous No.4646148]

>>4646132
>xDDD shitposting
mad as fuk

[Anonymous No.4646153]

>>4646127
>implying that consciousness is not illusion and death is not logically truth and that antinatalism is not merely reunion with the dark mother, Kali

[Anonymous No.4646162]

>>4646148
>edgy
>umad
>no point

What a shocker

[Anonymous No.4646164]

>>4646145
>all this shitposting
>:^)
im not even that guy.

see
>>4646148

Are you a christtard or something? Why does this idea make you so emotional?

[Anonymous No.4646176]

>>4646153


well im glad atleast you arnt pretending you have a leg to stand on anymore.

[Anonymous No.4646181]

>>4646164
>Umad
>No point

Wow you sure convinced me anti-natalists aren't just miserable hypocrites! Where did you learn this anyway.

>Someone holds an opinion
>LELELEL U SOOOO FUCKIN MAD

Why are you even on this board? Go kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.4646204]

>>4646181
You didn't answer my question: Why does this idea make you so emotional?

>Go kill yourself.
Yawn. So tedious. You're shitposting like crazy dude. You can see that right? Now please, answer my question.

[Anonymous No.4646211]

>>4646114

Ah, so when you can't follow through on the logical conclusions you set you blame biological programming. Right.

Look. Life might be difficult for you right now and you might think this intellectual recourse is the best way to master your inner inequities but all you're doing is advocating a line of reasoning that you yourself are afraid to follow.

Antinatalism is hypocrisy in motion. Taken up by a gaggle of intellectually disingenuous young adults who're afraid of their own shadows and resent their fellow man for it.

[Anonymous No.4646213]

>>4646204
>I don't have a point but I sure am full of myself

[Anonymous No.4646214]

>>4646181
>replying to a blatant troll
You are the cancer killing lit

[Anonymous No.4646221]

>>4646214
>Implying anti-natalists aren't full retard enough to bend poe's law to the maximum

[Anonymous No.4646222]

>>4646213
>still not answering my question
>shitposting a storm
Ya know, I hate to say UMAD....but.....

[Anonymous No.4646231]

>>4646176
Natalism presupposes there is inherent value to human life. Not only is this an absurd proposition that we must logically reject, we must also ask the question is it responsible for us to bring further beings into this world without their consent -- especially since they have no value. Logically speaking, we must also reject this as well as it is an infringement on their freedom. From there, we proceed to antinatalism. No contradictions involved. We's goin extinct one virgin at a time and I spread the message to new virgins on /r9k/ daily.

[Anonymous No.4646232]

>>4646211
Look at this butthurt. Y u so mad weenie? Is because girls won't talk to you? Strawmanning neckbeard loser.

[Anonymous No.4646234]

>>4646204

Not that anon, but are you really asking why seeing life as "negative value" would spur someone to have an emotional reaction?

..Are you serious?

[Anonymous No.4646238]

>>4645587
Barabbas

[Anonymous No.4646239]

>>4646222
>I don't have a point

[Anonymous No.4646244]

>>4646211
>>4646232
No fuckin joke. I'm not sure why he's so ass devastated. I'm guessing the idea that there isn't a jewish sky daddy to grant him divine reward when he dies just is too much for him.

inb4 edge fedora etc

[Anonymous No.4646247]

>>4646231
>Why won't girls talk to me I'm such a nice guy ;_;
>I promise I won't like, rape them or something

[Anonymous No.4646248]

>>4646239
Actually I do have a point, its:

>still not answering my question
>shitposting a storm

U mad as fuk

[Anonymous No.4646249]

>>4646232

>you didn't hit the nail on the head m-m-y l-life isn't like that a-at all this is j-j-ust a s-strawman

However you need to spin it, ace.

[Anonymous No.4646253]

>>4646244
Hahaha wow calm down dude. Do your parents know you get this worked up over the internet, little guy?

[Anonymous No.4646255]

>>4646249
>hit the nail on the head
>saying this
pleb

[Anonymous No.4646260]

>>4646248
>Not having a point

[Anonymous No.4646261]

>>4646231


but what about all the intelligent life that could (will) evolve on earth if humans ever off themselves? (no, you dont get to kid yourselves over pedantinc hair splitting over voluntarism or not, the result is the same). seems pretty irresponsible to not destroy the universe to me, but to do that, youed have to go back on anti-natalism as *categorical imperative*.

[Anonymous No.4646263]

>>4646253
This is just sad. Its a little late to copy their troll tactics dude. You've lost. Just leave the thread

[Anonymous No.4646270]

>>4646263
>Not having a point

[Anonymous No.4646276]

another quality thread good work spergburps

[Anonymous No.4646277]

>>4646255
>Anti-natalist
>Says 'pleb'
>Not a fat autist tfw no gfing

cool_story.txt

[Anonymous No.4646281]

>>4646261


actually you dont even have to really bother answering. infact, i encourage you to kill yourselves (or atleast not procreate). you guys are obviously mal-adaptive, getting suckered in by this 'philosophy' is a rather elegant solution for your disposal.

[Anonymous No.4646282]

>>4646270
Actually I do have a point, its:

>still not answering my question
>shitposting a storm

U mad as fuk

[Anonymous No.4646286]

>>4646281
I mean, it's been a while since I read Kant but I don't see what categorical imperatives have to do with things. I do agree that we should destroy the universe, I posted that in this thread earlier. Unfortunately, there's too many trolls for me to really respond to most of this seriously.

[Anonymous No.4646298]

>>4646282
>Not having a point

[Anonymous No.4646302]

>>4646298
Actually I do have a point, its:

>still not answering my question
>shitposting a storm

U mad as fuk

[Anonymous No.4646308]

>>4646302
Natalists aren't logical. You should just ignore them.

[Anonymous No.4646310]

>>4646302
>not having a point

[Anonymous No.4646312]

>>4646286


the point is that such a position morphs anti-natalism from something that is given to be always and everywhere the case, to a teleological judgment of hierarchal value. the project to achieve an anti-natalistic goal contradicts anti-natalism as categorical imperative, contradicts precepts of anti-natalism taken as given (how, exactly, would you presume to actually achieve this goal of destroying the universe? certainly it would be reliant on developing virtue, and more specifically, *life affirming* virtue).

[Anonymous No.4646315]

HIDE ANTINATALIST THREADS.

IGNORE ANTINATALIST POSTERS.

[Anonymous No.4646318]

>>4646308
>Being alive
>NOUing this hard

[Anonymous No.4646321]

>>4646310
>typical natty scum projecting the lack of point in his own promotion of life onto those who have achieved the ultimate point (i.e.; post-human paradigmatic antinatalist thanatropic schizotechnics)

[Anonymous No.4646323]

>>4646321
>tl;dr not having of points

[Anonymous No.4646330]

>>4646318
>implying antinatalists have to kill themselves and are not merely opposed to the creation of future life
'It is not worth the bother of killing yourself, since you always kill yourself too late.'
-EM Cioran

[Anonymous No.4646334]

>>4646330


>implying thats not hypocritical special pleading.

[Anonymous No.4646338]

>>4646330
>mfw that's supposed to be some 2deep4u bullshit and impresses you retards

[Anonymous No.4646341]

>>4646315
>implying politics is property not virtue

[Anonymous No.4646350]

>>4646312
Wow. That's some hella word salad. You talk to your mama like that, boy?

Obviously, antinatalism is always and everywhere the case. People merely choose to ignore it. From the perspective of an antinatal realist, it must be recognized that many will ignore the virtues of life-denial and continue to procreate anyway. Thus antinatalism must be adapted into a revolutionary ideology which thrives on the subsurface of human thought. Antinatalists can live without being hypocrites as long as they refuse to procreate. Meanwhile, they can spread their virulent ideologies through various media so that when the time to strike arrives -- one brave soul can end the universe for us all.

[Anonymous No.4646357]

>Rust is pessimistic because his daughter died
>not because of reason


>tfw happy
>tfw anti-natalist for rational reasons

You don't need to be depressed to know that life is pointless and stupid

[Anonymous No.4646361]

>>4646357
>anti-natalist for rational reasons

[Anonymous No.4646366]

>>4646350


except that presupposes a definite demarcation between 'self' and 'other', between 'you' and 'what you think', that is both consistent and complete (universal), and obviously this is not the case.

anti-natalism as categorical imperative does not hold.

[Anonymous No.4646371]

these suburban maymays think antinatalism gives the drudgery of their lives some cruel poeticism to it, but it's nothing but effete resignation.

this is the philosophical equivalent of playing the victim card 24/7. tumblr womyn would be envious that these spergs have gone and beaten them at their own game lol

[Anonymous No.4646372]

>>4646361
>>4646127


your use of a pow phrase like 'cold hard X' is particularly demonstrative of the solipsistic mindset that reasons through validation (ie, rationalization). you cant disguise your traitorous id from me.

[Anonymous No.4646375]

>>4646231
>uses the word logically
>offers no logical argumentation

You seem to have forgotten what words mean.

[Anonymous No.4646383]

>>4645648
Killing yourself isn't logical, else you would have done it by now. Clearly there are factors not present in your primary consideration of if the choice is logical or not that keeps you from acting upon it.

Its like saying since humans can jump, they can jump to the moon. Looking at the situation under a microscope, it would seem logically correct. But we know that gravity exists and is a factor on you ability to jump to the moon. This factor was not previously considered, but should have been.

Logic is not always logical.

[Anonymous No.4646391]

>>4646383

Antinatalism: Because logic is not always logical.

[Anonymous No.4646399]

>>4646366
GTFO deontologist.
>>4646371
Ad hominems, noice.
>>4646383
Saying life is negative does not mean you have to kill yourself immediately. Death comes soon enough for us all and insofar as you can prevent future life into coming into being you can be consistent with antinatalism while still alive


PROTIP: Every time you bust a load on a girl's face you are worshipping the void and affirming the value of death over life.

[Anonymous No.4646400]

>>4646383
This is very specious reasoning. Gravity is not some cultural construct with no actual tangible, universal quality. The will to survival is borne of the biological imperative.

[Anonymous No.4646401]

>>4646350
>Not claiming to be anti natalist as a fashion statement

"Look at how intelligent and logical i am"

"Im clever if i hold an opinion no one seriously hold, apart from some bitter old men, right?"

"You can totally feign an opinion to appear intelligent"

[Anonymous No.4646404]

>>4646399

>Ad hominems, noice.

aww poor widdle fuccboi who considers life negative value still needs to hide behind language games

i'll ad hominem in ur mothers cunt lol

[Anonymous No.4646419]

>>4646399


>GTFO deontologist.

youre so retarded, youre the one whos apparently positing a deontological categorical imperative here (maby, youve unreflectively flip-flopped back and forth between various contradictory justifications and positions, the one consistency being, whatever is convenient at the time to oppose whatever devalidation anti-natalism [ie, you] is receiving, further evidence of the solipsistic, feels based adherence to anti-natalism).

[Anonymous No.4646441]

>>4646401
>antinatalism is wrong because old men believe it
top kek
>>4646404
if you don't approve of logic and are gonna resort to fallacies then why argue?
>>4646419
The inability to successfully implement a moral theory is not evidence of its illogic. All ideas become corrupt when leaving the realm of intellect and entering the material world. (this impurity, coincidentally, is precisely why the material world and its evils must be destroyed)

[Anonymous No.4646444]

>>4645587
>that image
Wussiest thing I've seen all day.

[Anonymous No.4646450]

>>4646441
>All ideas become corrupt when leaving the realm of intellect and entering the material world.

[Anonymous No.4646455]

>>4646441
Anti natalism is a fashion statement, you're trying to be cool without getting laid. Also where's that logic you're always speaking of?

>>>/fa/

[Anonymous No.4646461]

>>4646441

if you consider life and everything therein to be of negative value then why do you think logical positivism holds any value here?

you can't have it both ways queefking

[Anonymous No.4646484]

>>4646455
>Anti natalism is a fashion statement, you're trying to be cool without getting laid.
Typical /lit/ poster projecting insecurities. You do realize that some of us not only get laid but we also hold steadfast to ideals instead of being an intellectual whore for the latest fashionable nonsense.
>>4646461
I embrace the dialectics of absolute contradiction as espoused by the buddhist logic of the diamond sutra. This is why I consider deontological ethics to be retarded.

[Anonymous No.4646517]

>>4646484

>I embrace the -

you cannot consider life uniformly of negative value if you embrace an aspect therein.

try to spin around this if you want but this truth will cockslap your estrogenqueen face every time

[Anonymous No.4646523]

>>4646517
>you cannot consider life uniformly of negative value if you embrace an aspect therein.
I embrace an aspect of unlife and nothingness which creeps in to life and being by virtue of its excess.

[Anonymous No.4646537]

>>4646523
I know you think you're being profound but all you said here is "I'm alive".

[Anonymous No.4646545]

>>4646523

you don't even see the value you're assigning to these obscurantist language games of yours

[Anonymous No.4646548]

>>4646484
>You do realize that some of us not only get laid but we also hold steadfast to ideals instead of being an intellectual whore for the latest fashionable nonsense.

Ok so you loose yourself in the life affirming act of sex and let your inner animal take over?

Admit it you're just an faux-intellectual whore.

[Anonymous No.4646572]

>>4646537
I am also dead. Being in the world is being toward death.
>>4646545
I refuse language games. My stylistic choices are designed as purely disruptive.
>>4646548
>Ok so you loose yourself in the life affirming act of sex and let your inner animal take over?
If you read >>4645672 then you would find my thoughts on sex expressed quite clearly.

[Anonymous No.4646593]

>>4646572

>I refuse language games. My stylistic choices are designed as purely disruptive.

holy fuck are you ever in denial

get a grip cunt you aren't so special a snowflake so as to have transcended all language games

it must suck being you for real

[Anonymous No.4646597]

>>4646572
So... You don't fuck, you just masturbate? K.

[Anonymous No.4646604]

>>4646572
>I am also dead. Being in the world is being toward death.
>I refuse language games

[i am 16 No.4646626]

If anti natalism is the fair side then how is it that people who want to live won't get to? Isn't the most "logical" (teehee reason XD) option just to kill yourself if you don't want to live and let the ones who do alone rather than telling them their life is pointless even though that's stupid as shit since surviving, achieving happiness, growing, etc.are all valid points for living if you simply accept them. If you don't nobody should stop you from killing yourself.

[Anonymous No.4646627]

>>4646593
At least I'm not a sophist.
>>4646597
I engage in sex as a means of attaining the nihil. Not as a means of producing more children.
>>4646604
Mirrors and copulation are abominable, since they both multiply the numbers of men.

[Anonymous No.4646635]

>>4646627

>At least I'm not a sophist.

way to tacitly admit that I just hit a nerve ace

[Anonymous No.4646639]

>>4646626
Vitalism is the result of false consciousness. It's falling prey to the trap of the demiurge. No need to post your age, we can all tell.
>>4646635
Just hatin' on me cause I'm a modern day Socrates, I get it.

[Anonymous No.4646656]

>>4646627
>I engage in sex as a means of attaining the nihil. Not as a means of producing more children.

Do you fuck or don't you fuck? Again with the fashionable nonsense? Do you "obtain nihil" with your hand and call it sex?

[Anonymous No.4646670]

>>4646656
I fuck. Men. Women. My hand. It's all the same, man.

[Anonymous No.4646674]

>>4645636

Natalists, ladies and gentlemen.

[Anonymous No.4646675]

>>4646639

>Just hatin' on me cause I'm a modern day Socrates, I get it.

hah. now you get flippant to diffuse your hapless situation itt

cool man enjoy those language games of yours. they're fun aren't they?

[Anonymous No.4646690]

>>4646670
Oh you're a bisexual, cool. So you enjoy life, men and women and just want to sound special and cool about it? You've just chosen to use the word void or emptiness for enjoyment. It doesn't matter the feelings are the same.

[Anonymous No.4646691]

>>4646627
>Mirrors and copulation are abominable, since they both multiply the numbers of men.
If I wasn't so drunk already, this reference would make me read the rest of the debate, work out what you were arguing about and join your side of it.

[Anonymous No.4646698]

Hamlet nigga do u speak it!

[Anonymous No.4646707]

>>4646675
Enjoy being a fucking breeder.
>>4646690
I encourage abortions and sterilization.
>>4646691
Yeah, fuck this shit. I'm gonna get high and attain the nihil.
>>4646698
To be or not to be? I would rather not have to make a choice. To never have been or will be.

[Anonymous No.4646714]

>>4645672

10/10 rust impression.

[Anonymous No.4646721]

>>4646707

>Enjoy being a fucking breeder.

you went from zen language game refuser to flippant quipper and debased rager in a few posts

mad that your posturing bullshit pontifications on "unlife" can only withstand scrutiny for half a thread on 4chan before you fucking fall apart at the seams?

fucking basic ass fake lol no really it must suck being you

[i am 16 No.4646726]

>>4646639
>so much logic
You have grand insecurities because you're not good at anything or don't think you're all that great and project that on to others so you don't feel alone.

>false sense of consciousness
Fucking seriously?

[Anonymous No.4646740]

Considering how this thread has gone, I don't even know if it's worth posting this but antinatalism has been pretty big on here for a while, I assume because of the OP it's because of Rust on True Detective, and from what I see on here, I have a hard time disagreeing with antinatalists.

Life, from what I can see, is all about suffering and trying your best to be neutral, never mind in a positive state. For example, when I sleep, it isn't because I enjoy it but because I'm too tired to function properly anymore and then, from the moment I wake up, I start ticking down again; with most of the food I eat, any enjoyment is a bonus, it's mainly just there to stop hunger pains and, again, as soon as the meal is finished, the countdown begins until hunger kicks in again. Life is essentially an uphill struggle against suffering and it seems more than sensible to take this view. It also seems to go wider too, which is why modern life is basically set up as a system of checkpoints: school, high school, college, job etc. We can always think we're suffering in moving towards a goal but ultimately all these things are arbitrary and man made because if it wasn't for them, what would we have in life besides for the small stuff I mentioned earlier?

I think of my life and while I don't think I'm up to the level of Rust where he seems to think about but not have the constitution for suicide, I compare the pain in my life to the pleasure in my life, small and big, and the pain vastly outweighs the pleasure.

If anyone has any elementary antinatal or pronatal texts they can recommend, I'd be very interested.

[Anonymous No.4646741]

>>4646721
>Half a thread

M8 I called this in like the first or second response

[Anonymous No.4646747]

>>4646627
>Mirrors and copulation are abominable, since they both multiply the numbers of men.

[Anonymous No.4646754]

>>4646740
>the pain vastly outweighs the pleasure.

Sucks to be you.

[Anonymous No.4646760]

>>4646754

This is what I mean by "I don't even know if it's worth posting."

[Anonymous No.4646761]

>>4646741

tell me more about diamond sutras while you call people fucking breeders i want to continue to experience the quirky antics of the frustrated suburban maymay

[Anonymous No.4646774]

>>4646760
Honestly I think you're just sad right now happens to everybody

[Anonymous No.4646775]

>>4646760
Is it really that painful or are you just relishing in self-pity because you enjoy that?

[Anonymous No.4646776]

>>4646775
Enjoy to do that*

[Anonymous No.4646778]

>>4645587
ITT: Christards getting ass devastated at the idea that there isn't a jewish sky daddy who made them because he loves them all so huggy wuggy much.

>I, alone, can somehow quantify human joy and suffering. Therefore life is worth living
>lol you no cant
>AHHHH FUCK YOU KILL YOURSELVES ANTI-NATALISTS YOU FUCKING IDIOTS CUNTS FUCK YOU FUCK FUCK FUCK

inb4 edge fedora etc

[Anonymous No.4646785]

>vulgar rationality
>nihilism
>antinatalism
>valuing universal truths (or lack of)
>sick faith in science

Can't believe people are still stuck in that world

[Anonymous No.4646793]

>>4646761
>While I call people breeders

Okay I get how you made the mistake but I'm the guy who said anti-natalism is all posturing and
>tfwnogf

over 130 posts ago

[Anonymous No.4646799]

>>4646778
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you puta pequeno? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in Los Zetas, and I’ve been involved in numerous executions on the Sinaloas, and I have over 300 public beheadings. I am trained in chainsaw warfare and I’m the top decapitator in all of Juarez. You are nothing to me but just another head waiting to be severed. I will detatch it with a lack of precision and cutting force the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, gringo. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of mariachi bands across the USA and a narcocorrido is being written about you right now so you better prepare for the chainsaw, gordo. The chainsaw that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your head. You’re fucking dead, paco. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in exactly one way, and that’s with my brand new Husqvarna 440 chainsaw. Not only am I extensively trained in chainsaw combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the local hardware store and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable head off the face of the body, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over your head and your head will come off in it. You’re fucking dead, gringo.
Inb4 beaner

[Anonymous No.4646800]

>>4646778
I don't know if I think christians or anti-natalists are more retarded, but you're both pretty fucking retarded. By the way, I've been here throughout.

[Anonymous No.4646811]

>>4646778
antinatalism as a philosophy consists entirely of asking questions like "why am I here" and "what value does life have" without intending to find an answer
>In seeking him they find him, and in finding they will praise him.

[Anonymous No.4646815]

>>4646785
I honestly pity them in a non-condescending way.

[Anonymous No.4646820]

>>4646778
>I, alone, can somehow quantify human joy and suffering. Therefore life is not worth living
>lol you no cant
>AHHHH FUCK YOU KILL YOURSELVES AND GET ABORTIONS STUPID BREEDERS YOU FUCKING IDIOTS CUNTS FUCK YOU FUCK FUCK FUCK

[Anonymous No.4646872]

Technonihilist buddhist antinatalist here, just finished my blunt.

Once again i see this board is just as bad as reddit, everyone circlejerking the same opinions without a modicum of critical thought...

Is antinatalism logical? I think this is somewhat of a moot question. Even philosophers as logically minded as Kant will point out the inevitable circularities and failings of logic and whether or not one can twist logic to suit their arguments is often more of a question of rhetorical skill than merit or truth. Nevertheless, to reduce antinatalist philosophy to a mere desire to be fashionably edgy or express angst at lack of sexual sublimation only cheapens the position of natalists. In doing so, people like >>4646740 are only pushed closer toward our side. In response to your question, >>4646740, I would refer you to my first post in this thread: >>4645597

[Anonymous No.4646874]

>>4646778

>inb4 edge fedora etc

lol someone sure has a complex

[Anonymous No.4646876]

>>4646872
>Technonihilist buddhist antinatalist

that's a lot of ists

[Anonymous No.4646881]

>>4645597
>de Sade

[Anonymous No.4646891]

>>4646872
>In doing so, people like >>4646740 # are only pushed closer toward our side.

Thank god, more pussy for the rest of us.

[Anonymous No.4646903]

>>4646872

>Even philosophers as logically minded as Kant will point out the inevitable circularities and failings of logic and whether or not one can twist logic to suit their arguments is often more of a question of rhetorical skill than merit or truth

do you not see how this invalidates this entire "negative value" position on life that antinatalists have?

they are trying to quantify value toward the entirety of continued existence and they think that they can actually do so without hubris

[Anonymous No.4646947]

>>4646874
Cassandra complex perhaps.
>>4646876
Might as well identify with as many labels as possible before death erases them all.
>>4646881
De Sade is a critical free-thinker whose degenerate philosophy continues to inspire people toward death and degradation to this day. Not an anti-natalist in the strictest sense but neither are Camus and Kafka for that matter.
>>4646891
You'd be surprised by the innate pussy magnetism of the void nature, insecure girls with daddy issues will be drawn to you like moths to the flame if you embrace the nihil.
>>4646903
Insofar as logic is only able to offer incomplete truths and values, the antinatalist seeks to cut this gordian knot through self-destruction and finding truth and value in non-existence.

[Anonymous No.4646969]

>>4646947

>You'd be surprised by the innate pussy magnetism of the void nature, insecure girls with daddy issues will be drawn to you like moths to the flame if you embrace the nihil.

suddenly this whole antinatalism thing is starting to seem like a very viable position

[Anonymous No.4647007]

Okay I was arguing against anti-natalism since the very beginning of this thread. I was the original asshole derail dude. But seriously, this video I just found makes me understand the viewpoint a little better

Seriously, just look at this poor dog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SSGgeOD550

[Anonymous No.4647072]

I'm not an antinatalist, and I don't think that antinatalist arguments are that successful but I do see at least some sense in them. I think at the end of the day, this has to arise from personal value judgement, like Nietzsche says, eventually if you dig deep enough, all philosophies are reflections of the psychology of the man who formulates them. Antinatalism seems to be a particularly strong case of this reflection of personal weltsmertz and ultimately it is a philosophy of people who put ultimate value in the prevention of suffering. If you do not accept that the prevention of suffering is the main ethical imperative, then antinatalist arguments cease to be effective.

That being said I don't think I want kids, not because of any philosophical reasons, but because of more personal ones. I hate the little demons.

The funny part is, on a biological level, its doesn't matter why one chooses to have kids, whether it is through a nihilistic life denial or what have you.

Also the other shit in that OP picture is spot on. The Self is an illusion and it is "nothing" in the Buddhist sense (shunyata) of being empty of any single core defining being or soul. I don't really see this as negative though, but freeing.

Consciousness and self-awareness also probably causes more suffering in humans than in non self aware beings, since we can think about the future, our own deaths, others' deaths, etc. But that's the price we pay for other things like being able to reason, and have more complex relationships and pleasures.

I wish these threads didn't devolve into so much angry squabbling though. What a bummer.

[Anonymous No.4647103]

>>4647072
>I wish these threads didn't devolve into so much angry squabbling though. What a bummer.

Oh yeah, we could all use a good reflection on tfw no GF and suicide and extinguishing of what may be the only conscious portal in the entire universe.

[Anonymous No.4647110]

Daily reminder not to have kids if you want to be happy, and you don't need a nihilist philosophy to come to that conclusion either

>Using data sets from Europe and America, numerous scholars have found some evidence that, on aggregate, parents often report statistically significantly lower levels of happiness (Alesina et al., 2004), life satisfaction (Di Tella et al., 2003), marital satisfaction (Twenge et al., 2003) and mental well-being (Clark & Oswald, 2002) compared with non-parents.

>There is also evidence that the strains associated with parenthood are not only limited to the period during which children are physically and economically dependent. For example, Glenn and McLanahan (1981) found those older parents whose children have left home report the same or slightly less happiness than non-parents of similar age and status. Thus, what these results are suggesting is something very controversial — that having children does not bring joy to our lives.

http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/why-does-anyone-have-children/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1

http://www.thepsychologist.org.uk/archive/archive_home.cfm/volumeID_22-editionID_174-ArticleID_1493-getfile_getPDF/thepsychologist/0409powd.pdf

[Anonymous No.4647117]

>>4647110
>.blogs
>thepsychologist.org.uk

yeah ok Mr. Ligotti.

[Anonymous No.4647122]

>>4647117
>ignoring multiple citations of academic papers on the subject

stay pleb though, I'm sure you'll be one big happy family

[Anonymous No.4647123]

>>4647122
>I_am_fat_as_all_get_out.txt

Yeah no one gives a shit.

[Anonymous No.4647127]

I know antinatalists want to see themselves as paragons of intellect but I think that they discount just how much their lines of thought and biases have been informed by feelings of social poverty and social estrangement.

For the most part all I see here are very elaborate cries for help. That's it.

The more I read through huge threads like these on this board the more it all honesty seems like it can be summed up as "I really wish I has some genuinely intimacy in my life: The Thread". It's just one big intellectual exercise to distract from admitting this.

[Anonymous No.4647130]

>>4647007
heh

[Anonymous No.4647141]

Okay guys, can we all take a break from being edgy for a moment and appreciate this? I mean, if there were no people because of anti-natalism, how would we go everywhere?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YG2SgGTrz4

[Anonymous No.4647152]

>>4647127
I dunno how you get that impression. I have too much intimacy in my life.

Intellectually, I know I should commit suicide. It's the right thing to do. It's the logical thing to do.

Unfortunately, my mom and dad and girlfriend and roommate would be heartbroken. They depend on me. They would be disappointed. They would not forgive. Without these attachments, I would have abandoned this mortal coil long ago and surrendered to dissolution. My greatest fear is that I will never exercise this ultimate act of freedom. That I will instead choose life for the rest of my natural span. That I will settle down and have kids and become a cog in this disgusting machine that shits pain and suffering. And then, as I slowly die, the society which forced me into existence will not even allow me the dignity of choosing my own way out. And so I will suffer on prolonged in a hospital, possibly losing even my mind, as nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish fucked up brats I spawned to replace myself.

[Anonymous No.4647157]

>>4647127
maybe this is true or at least this is part of the story, however, I'm also sick of anti-natalist arguments being dismissed absolutely out of hand by ad hominem claims

It's basically the intellectual equivalent saying >tips fedora or something equally retarded. It does nothing but make you look like an idiot in my book

I could easily claim that people who reject anti-natalism are just fools and cowards unable to see the truth, blinded by their own biological instincts and psychological dispositions. That argument could easily go both ways.

I'm not sure if we'll ever move past one side shouting "losers" while the other side responding with "you're deluded" because this is something which is highly existentially charged.

[Anonymous No.4647166]

>>4647157
Anti-natalism is the *tips fedora* of arguements, you retarded fucker.

>People should all kill themselves
>especially everyone but me
>listen to me talk about it
>I'm so illuminated xD

I'm nowhere near a christian or anything, but if there is a "Satan", he's certainly working through you m'boy.

[Anonymous No.4647177]

>>4647166
I'm not an antinatalist

Also, >tips fedora is a meme which is basically used at anyone whom one dislikes and thus shuts down all arguments, ridiculing them as "edgy". It's a classic 4chan comic ad hominen.

Anti-natalism does not say we should commit suicide, just not reproduce. It's in the fucking name, natal, as in birth.

[Anonymous No.4647188]

>>4647177
>Tips fedora is used as a dislike
No it's about atheism and it always has been
>Classic 4chan
To my knowledge it gained foothold on /pol/ about a year ago and is from reddit
>Anti-natalism does not say we should commit suicide, just not reproduce. It's in the fucking name, natal, as in birth.
Depends who you talk to, in any case it's still butt-fucking retarded. Humans come from the universe, we are the universe. We are the universe experiencing itself.

There are other Earths. We won't get there with dumb hippies laying in front of bulldozers and cucking their beta husband.

[Anonymous No.4647193]

>>4647188
>There are other Earths. We won't get there with...
*tips fedora*

You like le sci-fi as well? Nice Carl Sagan quote bro, I can't wait till we get to other earths

[Anonymous No.4647201]

>>4647193
he's feeling extra euphoric from watching the Black Science man on Fox tonight


I sure hope mankind does not reach those other planets, the untold devastation we would cause to the life living there and the suffering that we would cause fighting each other for them...it's difficult to fathom.

Good thing space travel is fucking hard and expensive and we hate each other a lot.

[Anonymous No.4647203]

>>4647188
>lying in front of bulldozers
nice

[Anonymous No.4647206]

>>4647193
>Nice Carl Sagan Quote

I honestly wouldn't know. If you're going to start shitposting with le that's fine by me, your philosophy holds no ground. You could make an argument that strong genes are being discouraged through the diffusion of maladaptive traits through the gene pool due to modern society, but in any case human are advancing.

We sure won't be feeding those precious starving African niggers without funding for resources that might potentially mine "protected areas", but who cares about the hard questions?

Let's just advocate for the destruction of what could be the only outlet for true conscious realization in the entirety of being, because some fat autists feel bad about being European. Of course anyone who doesn't agree with this edgiest of edgemaster viewpoints is a follower of some 9000 year old desert war demon.

[Anonymous No.4647216]

>>4647206
>We sure won't be feeding those precious starving African niggers

>the only outlet for true conscious realization in the entirety of being, because some fat autists feel bad about being European.

your /pol/ is showing

[Anonymous No.4647224]

>>4647216
That board is shit. What other race advocates for the destruction of the human spirit?

[Anonymous No.4647249]

>>4647224
anti-natalists have sprung in various places through out history, it is not a distinctly Euro phenomenon

for example, ancient Indian ascetics, Al-Maʿarri, some gnostics, etc

[Anonymous No.4647257]

>>4647249
I'll bet you 100 internet dollars said Indians were Aryan and not Dravidian

[Anonymous No.4647269]

>>4647257
Aryans in North Indian mixed with the local population. Ascetic religions such as Jainism can be traced back to pre Aryan Magadha.

[Anonymous No.4647275]

>>4647269
So you realize I'm right, then? Either its some beta caucasoids feeling bad saying this; or if it's objectively the most moral thing then you're saying only caucasoids are moral...

[Anonymous No.4647278]

>>4647127
>I think that they discount just how much their lines of thought and biases have been informed by feelings of social poverty and social estrangement.
>For the most part all I see here are very elaborate cries for help. That's it.


I suspect to some degree the motivation for most of the actions, in most peoples lives, can be attributed to that.

[Anonymous No.4647295]

Sartre and Ernesto Sabato are amazing, Hesse is very good too but other than The Steppenwolf he is very positive.

[Anonymous No.4647300]

>>4647295
>Trying to rez a derailed thread
>Serious use of a more-unfunny-than-usual doge meme

reddit pls

[Anonymous No.4647316]

>>4647300
WOW, how the fuck is doge serious

[Anonymous No.4647321]

>>4647316
>DO NOT REPRODUCE

[Anonymous No.4647332]

>>4647321

[Anonymous No.4647456]

Anti-natalism is for wimps.

[Anonymous No.4647482]

>>4647456
Why does anti-natalism cause so much ass devastation? I've never seen /lit/ react so violently to an idea. I mean look at this fucking trainwreck of a thread.

[Anonymous No.4647491]

>Antinatalists

HIDE BOURGEOIS THREADS.

DO NOT REPLY TO BOURGEOIS POSTERS.

[Anonymous No.4647499]

>>4647482
>Something is objecticely retarded
>LOLOLOL SO BUTTMAD XDDD Y I HAV NO POINT WEENIES?

[Anonymous No.4647505]

>>4647482

>I've never seen /lit/ react so violently to an idea

IT'S THE COMPLETE RESIGNATION OF LIFE ITSELF. YOU CANNOT GET A MORE VIOLENT IDEA.

STOP BEING SUCH A SHIT POSTER.

[Anonymous No.4647509]

>>4647499
>>4647505
You guys are just proving my point.

[Anonymous No.4647515]

>>4647509
>Le xDDDDD
>LELUSOMADIHAVENOARGUMENT

[Anonymous No.4647527]

>>4647515
>>4647499
>>4647491
>>4647456
>>4647321
>>4647316
>>4647300
reported

[Anonymous No.4647529]

>>4647509

So you are saying that the most violent repose one could logically conceive of doesn't deserve a violent reaction?

Why are you even posting on this board? Go back to Reddit you lukewarm cunt.

[Anonymous No.4647545]

God is a binary, fractal, self-replicating algorithm and the universe is a genetic matrix resulting from the existential tension created by His desire for self-knowledge. Human consciousness is the struggle for the universe to understand itself.

Antinatalists are just edgy teens.

[Anonymous No.4647555]

>>4645587
Please tell me that quote in your picture is a joke. Nothing he said even began to imply extinction would be beneficial.

[Anonymous No.4647559]

>>4647545
>God
Enjoy praying to your sky jew daddy for forgiveness for touching your own pee pee

[Anonymous No.4647564]

>>4647559
>read the first word and skipped the rest

Enjoy your lack of education

[Anonymous No.4647571]

>>4647564
Not the ">God" dude, but

>genetic matrix
>fractal self-replicating algorithm
>existential tension by desire for self-knowledge

Can you put more meaningless words together plz?

[Anonymous No.4647615]

>>4647224
Don't you get it? With this white people get to reach their maximal state of all peoples: That of the ancient wisdom givers. So burdened by their immense knowledge that they simply disappeared. The precursors.

[Anonymous No.4647767]

why would you be an evangelist for how bad life is
don't you have anything better to do
why do you value free speech

[Anonymous No.4647782]

>Anti-natalism is basically stop having babies to reduce future suffering

"b-but if you believe that you should have killed yourself already" - 17y/o Absurdist

[Anonymous No.4647827]

With the heat death of the universe on the horizon, why shouldn't we stick it out? I'd like to imagine that I am taking in as many qualia as I can before the gravy train stops running.

[Anonymous No.4647848]

>>4647615
That's fucked up.
I want to be a forerunner.

[Anonymous No.4647863]

Why is a half of /lit/ so morose?
I don't know, fellow... I'm in love with this world, I won't quit, and I can't understand your sadness...

[Anonymous No.4647921]

>>4647863
ignorance is bliss

[Anonymous No.4647929]

>>4647921
or does it just numb the pain

[Anonymous No.4648016]

anything from Dostoyevsky to Sartre should do the trick

[Anonymous No.4648089]

Nihilism is truth. Philosophy tries in vain to combat this but it remains.

Suffering is also truth. That's basically why religions are so prevalent. People will cling to anything to give meaning to their pain.

The violent opposition to the idea of antinatalism is nothing more than proof of its rationality. If it was as nonsensical as claimed then a thread like this would be allowed to float off the board and simply be pruned without comment.

>>4647827
Comments like these express typical delusions. The idea that we can somehow take experiences with us like pharaohs taking their wealth to the afterlife.

[Anonymous No.4648181]

>>4647929
>>4647921
These are false statements fostered by people like Aristoteles.
Knowledge doesn't bring sadness, pain. You can be aware of the truth and accept it with swell. These are the joy of the intelligence.
But, keep believing you're the elite crushed by all the books you read and the all the school of philosophy you've studied.
(one example of a brilliant and scholar man which was happy : Montaigne)

[Anonymous No.4648468]

>>4647515
man you're way too intense for your own good. maybe it's time to log off permanently, fag.

[Anonymous No.4648475]

>>4648089
i take experiences with me as long as i'm alive nyugga, who gives a shit about the "afterlife"

[Anonymous No.4648496]

>>4648475
bliss

[Anonymous No.4648626]

>this entire thread

[Anonymous No.4648683]

>>4648626
racist

[Anonymous No.4649408]

>>4648089
There is no truth.


Or is there?

[Anonymous No.4649599]

>>4647499
>>4647515

the ironic maymaykid thing is getting old incredibly fast, so why don't you give it rest, newest of friends

[Anonymous No.4649719]

>>4646872
>Technonihilist
pls elavorate

[Anonymous No.4649738]

>>4649408
Wouldn't "There is no truth" be a truth?

[Anonymous No.4649776]

>natalism
>antinatalism
>universalist ethics
>moral absolutism
>collectivism
>utilitarianism
>superstition
>it's the remix to ignition
>hot and fresh out the kitchen
>mama rollin' that body
>got every man in here wishin'
>sippin' on coke and rum
>i'm like so what I'm drunk
>it's the freaking einzige baby
>i'm about to have me some fun

[Anonymous No.4649782]

>natalism
>antinatalism
>universalist ethics
>moral absolutism
>collectivism
>utilitarianism
>superstition
>it's the remix to ignition
>hot and fresh out the kitchen
>mama rollin' that body
>got every man in here wishin'
>sippin' on coke and rum
>i'm like so what i'm drunk
>it's the freaking einzige baby
>i'm about to have me some fun

[Anonymous No.4649794]

>>4649782
You're ghostin us motherfucker

[Anonymous No.4649801]

>>4645599
>worlds problems
>worlds
>problems

the world doesn't have problems. we do. and sure, a full on extinction would 'solve' all -our- problems, but only insofar as it puts them into perspective.

[Anonymous No.4649816]

>>4649801
>doesn't understand metonymy
Wow. You just went full pleb.

[Anonymous No.4649831]

Zizek

[Anonymous No.4649836]

>>4649794
But I'm trying to unspook you.

[Anonymous No.4649902]

>Rust: “I tell you Marty I been up in that room looking out those windows every night here just thinking, it’s just one story. The oldest.”
>Marty: “What’s that?”
>Rust: “Light versus dark.”

Rustin Cohle confirmed for Zoroastrian.

[Anonymous No.4649944]

>people on 4chan propagating anti-natalism

[Anonymous No.4650308]

>>4645587
not book, play, but....Sartre's "the flies" (les mooches).

[Anonymous No.4651054]

>>4649738

[Anonymous No.4651069]

Okay anti-natalists and natalists, I'm fucking bored and you're all going to tell me your ages because aren't we all a little curious how old that tard on the other side of the argument is?

[Anonymous No.4651071]

>>4651069
lol

[Anonymous No.4651503]

>>4646947
>>4646969

>You'd be surprised by the innate pussy magnetism of the void nature, insecure girls with daddy issues will be drawn to you like moths to the flame if you embrace the nihil.

kekekekekekekekek

You just summed up antinatalism in one assertion.

"Go for easy."

Cheers.