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Is "degeneracy" the ultimate spook? Rarely do you find consistent definitions.

>> No.4624190

>>4624186
Spooks are the ultimate spooks.

>> No.4624199

Ultimate as in final? No. We'll keep coming up with new ones as prejudices change.

Ultimate as in highest level or most powerful? Nah. It fundamentally still a sub-ordinate to the basic Other. I know we all hate to break out the literary theory buzzwords, but the fact remains: 'degeneracy' is just another way to draw a line between the things you do like/represent and the things you don't.

>> No.4624202

>>4624199
i think that's what he was saying. degeneracy is whatever you want it to be and that's what makes it the ultimate spook. people have been bemoaning the death of culture since the birth of culture

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>> No.4624212

>>4624202
Yeah, but degeneracy remarks pretty clearly on moral failures (or signifiers thereof). But it doesn't refer to other 'Others' in any rational worldview.

A man born with a birth defect can be an Other without morality (and by extension, degeneracy) coming into play. You could make a similar argument for matters of race.

The only way such things get tied up in a person's own morality is by the flawed analysis of the person distributing the term 'degenerate'.

In a nutshell: all degenerates are Others, but not all Others are degenerates.

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>> No.4624265

>>4624190
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqmIAbHXr0Y&feature=youtu.be&t=1m19s

>> No.4624274

Does anyone believe in degeneracy as an ideal? I didn't think so.

>> No.4624661

>>4624274
yolo, hedonism, fuck da police, sound familiar?

>> No.4624681

The spook itself is indeed the ultimate spook. It is only after one has overcome the notion of 'spook' that self-actualization is possible, though it is a necessary stepping stone.

>> No.4624685

>>4624274
gotta apply a dialectic bro, then it makes sense

>> No.4624701

>>4624186
Degenerate merely means "seemingly moving away from what I consider my arbitrary unfounded mythical golden age to be like" in most cases.

>> No.4624705

>>4624685
Honest question from a pleb: what does this mean?

>> No.4624800

>>4624705
that it doesnt make sense
dialectic a shit

>> No.4624806

No more so than regeneration.

>> No.4624823

>>4624186
>Is "degeneracy" the ultimate spook?

It's merely a reaction to an even greater "spook": the idea of progress.

>> No.4624852

assigning one is fuckheaded enough to even consider labeling 'degeneracy' as some fearsome construct then yes, your retarded faggot mind is certainly too autistic to be healthy or well-adjusted

>> No.4624865

>>4624852
look, another stan clone.

>> No.4624881

>>4624865
lelelelelelele top kekkels you worthless african american progerian faggot

edge lord was here since before stan and now i have returned once again to grace your puny pathetic brains

le kill yourself

>> No.4624901

>>4624705
That people hold the opposite of degeneracy as an ideal. Note that this notion of non-degeneracy (some sort of cultural vitality or haleness?) is even more obscure than that of degeneracy itself.

>> No.4625192

>>4624852
>>4624881
What the fuck are you even trying to say?

>> No.4625213

>>4625192
He's going to be an inflammatory retard and if anyone points it out he'll shitpost loudly and claim victory.

>> No.4625259

It's no different from the abuse of "communist" in the 1950s or the abuse of "racist," "sexist," "anti-Semite," "homophobe," etc. today. They're all expressions that indicate the target does not conform to one's moral views, which the speaker holds to be true.

>> No.4625289

Degeneracy is a term people use to attack things that are deviant that they are adverse to.