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Here in Denmark we have a government supported writers school. Every year ca. 300 people send in their applications (15 pages of self-written prose or poetry and some about yourself and you inspirations - you know the drill).

Only 5-8 of the applicants gets to enter the two year program.

And i hope to be one of them, infact i just mailed my application.

So i thought this would be a good time to start a discussion on whether or not this is a good idea. Whether or not a school like this is a good idea (the teachers are all published authors) and whether or not it is a good idea for the me (the average writer wannabe) to enroll, i mean can you really learn writing from other people?

tl;dr A discussion on government supported art and whether or not a teacher is a good thing for aspiring writers.

>> No.4609494

>>4609492
I should mention, the graduates have, now and again, become very popular, both with the people and the critics.

>> No.4609499

I DO NOT CONDONE STATESUBSIDIZED EDUCATION.

>> No.4609503

>>4609499
Well that's stupid.

>> No.4609504

>>4609499
I don't condone your tone of voice.

>> No.4609505

>>4609503

NO, BUT YOU ARE "STUPID".

>> No.4609506

>>4609492

I think that this is a good thing. It gives young writers who are absolutely struck with literature or philosophy a clearer chance at a career. Getting that credential- attendance of the exclusive writer's school- that's big in a society. Here in the US it's the difference between saying "I studied political science", to which people would usually think, "wow, big f-ing deal", and saying "I studied political science at Harvard", to which people would usually think, "wow, this guy is going places".

>> No.4609508

>>4609505
kek

Tell us more about what you don't condone

>> No.4609514

>>4609508
Dont encourage him

>> No.4609521

If you want to be a writer, then this state school is your best option. Much better than being another bitchmade fuccboi. Get credentials.

I hope you don't do it by halves. You have to want it.

>> No.4609524

>>4609492
Seems like one of those things cute little countries do to preserve and stimulate their fragile culture. I'm not against it, but I would have a problem being a part of it. Feels too orchestrated in a way.

>> No.4609533

>>4609524
>One of those things
^I dont think that really means anything
>fragile culture
this is one of those things that make the world hate americans....

No but seriously every country has a culture. Even if it is heavily influenced by other (e.g. every culture ever) its not fragile.

>> No.4609540

>>4609492
i hope you enter in the 5-8 applicants.

If not , well you will see what you are made of. If you are one more that was left in the way, or if you "gona make it".

>> No.4609548

>>4609506
>absolutely struck with literature

I cringed

>> No.4609551

>>4609548

Yeah, I guess it should be "struck by".

>> No.4609552

>>4609524
Why would Danes have a "fragile culture".

>> No.4609560

>>4609533
>I dont think that really means anything
One of those initiatives, then.
>this is one of those things that make the world hate americans....
I'm from a fragile cute little country myself, friend.
>No but seriously every country has a culture. Even if it is heavily influenced by other (e.g. every culture ever) its not fragile.
Come on, you know what I mean. Something like Icelandic culture is more easily overrun by globalisation than that of larger countries, especially concerning literature, since the language doesn't provide a large readership and is therefore less attractive to an author who wants his work to reach people. It's hard to be a successful poet in a language spoken by hundreds of millions of people, let alone by one that doesn't cross the ten million mark. That's why a bit of artificial stimulation and help come in handy and are typical of such nations.

>> No.4609584

>>4609560
Every country is afraid (or some of its inhabitants are afraid) that their culture is being overrun (especially the big ones it sometimes seems). And yes the music played on our radio is mostly in english, and most of our modern authors seem really boring but they're boring in a danish way.

I cant speak for your country. But Danish culture is as fine as any.

>> No.4609590

>>4609584
Maybe they're boring because they are all made by the National Writer Factory.

>> No.4609601

>>4609492
Ministry of Propaganda much.

>> No.4609602

>>4609492
actually i dont like most of the authors who graduated the school. fyi >>4609590

>> No.4609607

>>4609590
Thats my concern you weasel.
>tfw made good outline for a thread yet people arent discussing just throwing feces
>

>> No.4609627

Im from Denmark myself, and was once contemplating an application myself.
However, though some of the writers from the school has seen some succes, the litterature produced there is still litterature for the cultural minorities (i.e poems and atypical prose). AFAIK the most commercially succesful writers in Denmark (crime fiction and fantasy) havent graduated from the school. Now, is it okay to tax the danish people to produce writers whose work they dont read? maybe, maybe not

>> No.4609656

>>4609492

It's not a bad idea but nothing will beat writing a lot and submitting your work, whether you fail or succeed that school.

>> No.4609775

>>4609627
Helle Helle, Naja Maria Aidt, Katrine Marie Guldager all graduated their and have seen bestseller succes. They are even being taught to students at our gymnasiums.

They have entered our cultural heritage, many people (and critics for what thats worth), believe for the better.
I dont.... principally i like the idea of state funded art but those three authors in particular and also Yahya Hassan are really just dreadfully boring.

but their really isnt much debate as to whether or not the school was a bad investment.

>> No.4609874

>>4609492
Did you make sure your application consisted solely of "modern" gibberish language, staying the fuck away from anything resembling plot and coherence? If not, you fucked it up and will not get accepted.

>> No.4609888

>>4609874
Did you get in?
Did you ever read some of the graduates.
I think not.
Most of them writes social-realism and show dont tell and minimalism and so on.
Usually the plot is quite clear, though a bit boring, rarely magical or mystical.

>> No.4609965

>>4609874
Modern literature in Europe is mostly plot heavy social realism, I'm sorry.

>> No.4609975

Why is Scandinavia so based?

>> No.4609986
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4609986

>>4609975

>> No.4609987

>>4609975
High Taxes and prominence of intelligentsia in politics over economic elite.

Not that modern Nordic Literature would be the grandest thing ever - the type of literature that sells tons of copies and wins the awards tends to be "realistic" historical fiction with focus on exploring themes that have been explored a million times, now with a twist of "Our nation is so horrible historically ;("

>> No.4609989

>>4609499
Yeah no shit Ms. Rand

>>4609492
It depends on the quality of the teaching. You can't "teach" someone to write literature the way you teach anything else, but you can provide a system that motivates people to put effort into their writing and an environment where people can get critique, all of which should, ideally, help the writer improve on their own.

Even if a class incorporates those things, there's still a wide range of possibilities, all of which really depend more on the students than the teacher.

I think a general literature education is more valuable for a writer than a specific "writing" course. But if you did find a good group to work with that would be excellent, I'm just personally hesitant because I've heard bad things.

>> No.4609991

>>4609987
Did you read some Yahya Hassan?

>> No.4609995

>>4609986
I don't understand the point that you're making.

>> No.4609999

>>4609995
its a mix between a soviet (communist) and the danish flag

>> No.4610000

>>4609999
Yeah, I got that much, but I hadn't thought that there were any Scandinavian countries in the USSR.

But I think this
>>4609987
>High Taxes and prominence of intelligentsia in politics over economic elite.
gives me an idea of what you mean.

>> No.4610036

>>4609999
quaddos
captcha: quoadit unity

>>4610000
>I hadn't thought that there were any Scandinavian countries in the USSR
>what is commentary

>> No.4610439

>>4610000
Scandinavia has a bunch of socialist tendencies which make capitalism liveable, perhaps even agreeable.