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Anonymous Mon Feb 24 20:32:34 2014 No.4603907 [DELETED]

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As a man driven to be better than he was the day before, how will Thus Spoke Zarathustra hold as my lifelong "bible?"

I just ordered this exact edition. Considered all translations but I want the B&N one.

in b4 obligatory nietzsche hate

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 20:35:33 2014 No.4603912 >following Nietzsche >taking your belief system from someone else Pick one

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 21:30:52 2014 No.4604129 bump

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 21:36:52 2014 No.4604146
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It's an interesting text but it isn't very practical.

You won't really understand how you can improve your life from reading it.

On the other hand, it is very useful in analyzing Nietzsche's critique of society and the values of his day.

It also requires a very firm grasp on what Nietzsche's philosophy already is. Zarathustra is essentially all that Nietzsche has hinted at or elaborated upon prior but translated into the form of metaphor.

If you're looking for a "bible" from Nietzsche, tough luck. He's an anti-Christian. He doesn't write in that dogmatic Christian form. Hence it doesn't make sense to look for it in his works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 21:43:52 2014 No.4604170 Doesn't Zarathustra himself says i you want to really be his follower you have to despise it and reject him at some point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 21:50:52 2014 No.4604197 >>4604170 Welcome to postmodernism, kid.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 21:52:52 2014 No.4604208

Dude, get the Del Caro translation. Common and Kaufmann and Hollingdale are all less than ideal. Pick up the Cambridge texts edition, has some good supplementary readings.

A very close reading of Zarathustra + The Gay Science can suffice for desert island phil material.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 22:29:26 2014 No.4604364 >>4604197 Nietzsche belonged to late romantic era. This isn't postmodernism (although it prepares postmodernism in a way), this is the theory of the übermensch. "Man is something that needs to be overcome", that's the geist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 23:31:44 2014 No.4604551 >>4604146 >not very practical >the idea that god is dead and man is left to find his own value and the will to power is the will to ascend todays human

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 23:44:32 2014 No.4604601 >>4603907 >Nietzsche nicht auf deutsch lesend

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 23:45:32 2014 No.4604603 bump.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 23:52:46 2014 No.4604625 >>4603907 Just read the actual bible, it turns out every person's experience is fundamentally the same so it doesn't matter which book you read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 00:21:47 2014 No.4604705 .... bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 00:28:47 2014 No.4604717 Looking for bibles to tell you how to like your life is for plebs. go read some homeric epcs and ax yoself "what would odysseus do?"

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 00:30:47 2014 No.4604723 >>4604717 The answer to that question is ALWAYS "lie, steal and deceive," though. Odysseus' MO is always the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 00:32:47 2014 No.4604725 >>4604723 what are you some roman pleb ripe for conversion to christianity? odysseus used his wits to realize his life goals, similar to steve jobs, meanwhile you sit in your church basement being honest

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 00:33:47 2014 No.4604727 >>4604717 >implying asking yourself what someone else would do is not for plebs

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 00:35:47 2014 No.4604732 >>4604725 >what are you some roman pleb ripe for conversion to christianity? burn, tip my hat to you good sir.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 00:37:47 2014 No.4604739 >>4604727 >implying pleb has any meaning left on this board

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 00:41:49 2014 No.4604744

>>4604725
I'm not saying that lying, stealing and deceiving are a BAD way to go through life.

I'm just saying, lying and stealing are sort of the core of Odysseus' skillset. From escaping Polyphemus to hiding his appearance among the suitors, Odysseus lies. That's just what he does. And he's very good at it.

So yes, 'lie and steal' is almost always what Odysseus would suggest in any given situation. It worked out well for him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 00:42:48 2014 No.4604748 >>4604739 >implying i wasn't using plebeian in it's literal meaning

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 00:44:48 2014 No.4604752 >>4604744 yeah, well, if he told polyphemus his real name he woulda got killed on the spot, but still he was a chill bro when it came to his homies, he went back to bury elpenor after my man busted his ass falling off the roof drunk

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 01:35:48 2014 No.4604855 >>4604752 You type like a dilettante

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 01:47:06 2014 No.4604879 >>4604855 so

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